If Trump admin defunds CA, CA residents should stop paying all federal taxes

[J842P]

Derec votes Democratic.

I highly doubt that, or at best am highly skeptical of this claim.

Why? Most of his political positions are center right, which is exactly the mainstream of the Democratic party.

 

[Derec]

Why should States be forced to enforce Federal law?

They are not enforcing federal law. They are merely expect to honor immigration detainers so that ICE can take custody of the illegals who are to be deported. What's wrong with that?
For example, had San Francisco honored such a detainer against an illegal Mexcian a young woman would still be alive.

What happened to the States' rights people on the right?

States are still subject to federal law, including immigration law. The supremacy clause does not only apply to things liberals like such as gay marriage or environmental regulations.

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That only applies when it's the States enforcing bigotry and hate contrary to federal law.

Deporting illegals is not "bigotry and hate".

Neo-nazis don't mind being hypocritical about it, especially now that they have license to invent their own facts.

I guess everybody to the right of Elizabeth Warren is a "neo-Nazi" to you ...

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Derec and other repugnicans don't actually have princibles or values.

Not a Republican. Also, unlike you, I can spell.

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I highly doubt that, or at best am highly skeptical of this claim.

Not always, but mostly. For example, I voted for Obama twice.

That's why I am so critical of him/them when they do something as mindbogglingly stupid as blocking pipelines or releasing terrorists from prison.

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It's not impossible, but it makes me wonder how he can rationalize that decision.

Lesser of two evils. although Democrats keep working hard on reducing that evilness gap.

 

[Axulus]

They are not enforcing federal law. They are merely expect to honor immigration detainers so that ICE can take custody of the illegals who are to be deported. What's wrong with that?
For example, had San Francisco honored such a detainer against an illegal Mexcian a young woman would still be alive.

What happened to the States' rights people on the right?

States are still subject to federal law, including immigration law. The supremacy clause does not only apply to things liberals like such as gay marriage or environmental regulations.

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That only applies when it's the States enforcing bigotry and hate contrary to federal law.

Deporting illegals is not "bigotry and hate".

Neo-nazis don't mind being hypocritical about it, especially now that they have license to invent their own facts.

I guess everybody to the right of Elizabeth Warren is a "neo-Nazi" to you ...

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Derec and other repugnicans don't actually have princibles or values.

Not a Republican. Also, unlike you, I can spell.

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I highly doubt that, or at best am highly skeptical of this claim.

Not always, but mostly. For example, I voted for Obama twice.

That's why I am so critical of him/them when they do something as mindbogglingly stupid as blocking pipelines or releasing terrorists from prison.

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It's not impossible, but it makes me wonder how he can rationalize that decision.

Lesser of two evils. although Democrats keep working hard on reducing that evilness gap.

Ripping a mother away from her two children because she came here illegally when she was fourteen is not only extremely hateful but downright evil.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/phoenix-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos.html?_r=0&referer=

 

[LordKiran]

They are not enforcing federal law. They are merely expect to honor immigration detainers so that ICE can take custody of the illegals who are to be deported. What's wrong with that?
For example, had San Francisco honored such a detainer against an illegal Mexcian a young woman would still be alive.

What happened to the States' rights people on the right?

States are still subject to federal law, including immigration law. The supremacy clause does not only apply to things liberals like such as gay marriage or environmental regulations.

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That only applies when it's the States enforcing bigotry and hate contrary to federal law.

Deporting illegals is not "bigotry and hate".

Neo-nazis don't mind being hypocritical about it, especially now that they have license to invent their own facts.

I guess everybody to the right of Elizabeth Warren is a "neo-Nazi" to you ...

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Derec and other repugnicans don't actually have princibles or values.

Not a Republican. Also, unlike you, I can spell.[1]

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I highly doubt that, or at best am highly skeptical of this claim.

Not always, but mostly. For example, I voted for Obama twice. [2]

That's why I am so critical of him/them when they do something as mindbogglingly stupid as blocking pipelines or releasing terrorists from prison. [3]

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It's not impossible, but it makes me wonder how he can rationalize that decision.

Lesser of two evils. although Democrats keep working hard on reducing that evilness gap.

1. But can you pick up on obvious wordplay? I guess not.

2. Since when did voting for one president make you a member of the same political ideology?

3. It's almost as if you have diametrically opposing viewpoints.

 

[Elixir]

Ripping a mother away from her two children because she came here illegally when she was fourteen is not only extremely hateful but downright evil.

It's a Republican Family Value.

 

[Derec]

Ripping a mother away from her two children

Having procreated should not make one exempt from deportation. Besides, the kids can go with her. Nobody is forcing them apart.

because she came here illegally when she was fourteen is not only extremely hateful but downright evil.

She not only came here illegally, she also committed identity fraud. She really should have been deported years ago, but the Obama administration ignored the deportation order.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Having procreated should not make one exempt from deportation. Besides, the kids can go with her. Nobody is forcing them apart.

because she came here illegally when she was fourteen is not only extremely hateful but downright evil.

She not only came here illegally, she also committed identity fraud. She really should have been deported years ago, but the Obama administration ignored the deportation order.

Look at the reality: The kids are teens. They probably speak little Spanish. You will have in effect turned them into high school dropouts.

You are in effect asking to wreck the lives of two completely innocent American citizens over a very minor act by one of their parents. You are evil.

 

[Axulus]

Having procreated should not make one exempt from deportation. Besides, the kids can go with her. Nobody is forcing them apart.


She not only came here illegally, she also committed identity fraud. She really should have been deported years ago, but the Obama administration ignored the deportation order.

Look at the reality: The kids are teens. They probably speak little Spanish. You will have in effect turned them into high school dropouts.

You are in effect asking to wreck the lives of two completely innocent American citizens over a very minor act by one of their parents. You are evil.

Completely agree. And note the minor act she committed was necessary to obtain gainful employment to support her two (young at the time) kids. No one was actually victimized by the act.

The law should be used as a tool to reduce or prevent harm or potential harm to victims, not create victims with zero reduction in harm to anyone else.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Look at the reality: The kids are teens. They probably speak little Spanish. You will have in effect turned them into high school dropouts.

You are in effect asking to wreck the lives of two completely innocent American citizens over a very minor act by one of their parents. You are evil.

Completely agree. And note the minor act she committed was necessary to obtain gainful employment to support her two (young at the time) kids. No one was actually victimized by the act.

The law should be used as a tool to reduce or prevent harm or potential harm to victims, not create victims with zero reduction in harm to anyone else.

If she used somebody's social security number she caused them some headaches with the IRS. There is a victim, but nowhere near the harm that would be inflicted on her children.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Having procreated should not make one exempt from deportation. Besides, the kids can go with her. Nobody is forcing them apart.

because she came here illegally when she was fourteen is not only extremely hateful but downright evil.

She not only came here illegally, she also committed identity fraud. She really should have been deported years ago, but the Obama administration ignored the deportation order.

It's great that the "pro-family" republicans are in charge.....

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, at least your country is now safe from hard working mothers. I'm pretty sure that this one person was the stumbling block which was preventing America from being great again and it's smooth sailing from here.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Well, at least your country is now safe from hard working mothers. I'm pretty sure that this one person was the stumbling block which was preventing America from being great again and it's smooth sailing from here.

It's more that American workers are under attack from Mexican immigrant families. But we can help the US workers by separating the families. Send the moms to Mexico, keep the kids here. Break them up.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Completely agree. And note the minor act she committed was necessary to obtain gainful employment to support her two (young at the time) kids. No one was actually victimized by the act.

The law should be used as a tool to reduce or prevent harm or potential harm to victims, not create victims with zero reduction in harm to anyone else.

If she used somebody's social security number she caused them some headaches with the IRS. There is a victim, but nowhere near the harm that would be inflicted on her children.

This is knowable. Has the SSN been identified with someone else? Has that person come forward as a victim? Some stolen SSNs may be from dead people or babies and therefore it may go unnoticed if someone is using them.

 

[Derec]

Look at the reality: The kids are teens. They probably speak little Spanish. You will have in effect turned them into high school dropouts.

And you should look at the reality. If you let her stay just because she procreated it gives illegals a very easy way to become deportation-proof: just procreate. It would merely incentivize millions more fertile Mexican and Central American illegals to flood across the border and start having children.

In reality Guadalupe should have been deported in 2008. Then her kids would have been much younger.

You are in effect asking to wreck the lives of two completely innocent American citizens over a very minor act by one of their parents. You are evil.

She was convicted of a felony. Hardly a "very minor act". And you are in effect asking to make illegals who procreate deportation-proof. I think that is the bigger evil here.

 

[Elixir]

And you should look at the reality. If you let her stay just because she procreated it gives illegals a very easy way to become deportation-proof: just procreate. It would merely incentivize millions more fertile Mexican and Central American illegals to flood across the border and start having children.

Good deal. Maybe some day soon they will outnumber self-interested, sexually frustrated white male bigots.

 

[Derec]

Good deal. Maybe some day soon they will outnumber self-interested, sexually frustrated white male bigots.

So you want 3rd world illegals to come here because of your anti-non-hispanic-white bigotry. And yet you call me a bigot. Priceless left wing hypocrisy.

 

[Elixir]

Good deal. Maybe some day soon they will outnumber self-interested, sexually frustrated white male bigots.

So you want 3rd world illegals to come here because of your anti-non-hispanic-white bigotry.

Don't quit your day job Derec. You'll never make it as a psychologist.

And yet you call me a bigot. Priceless left wing hypocrisy.

Yeah, I'm an illegal black homosexual leftist immigrant, just bristling from the oppression I've received at the hands of old white men.
NOT!
I happen to be an old hjeterosexual, married, relatively well-off white male who was not conditioned in childhood to hate and fear "others" as you obviously have been. Yes, if your posts are honest expressions of your beliefs, you ARE a bigot. The very sort that I despise, just as I despise muslim religious terrorist bigots who are your exact mirror image. Upholding the founding principles of the nation that gave me such a fortunate lot is hardly a "leftist" trait.

 

[Derec]

Don't quit your day job Derec. You'll never make it as a psychologist.

I am no psychologist but I still think I got you.

I happen to be an old hjeterosexual, married, relatively well-off white male

There are a lot of self-hating white people on the left.
Example, Lena Dunham. LENA DUNHAM: EXTINCTION OF WHITE MEN WOULD PROMPT ‘EVOLUTION OF BETTER MEN’
Or Noel Ignatiev. Harvard professor argues for 'abolishing' white race
And many others.

who was not conditioned in childhood to hate and fear "others" as you obviously have been.

No I have not.

Yes, if your posts are honest expressions of your beliefs, you ARE a bigot.

Bullshit! Just because I reject the left-wing orthodoxy does not make me a bigot. I do not want US to become part of Latin America through mass migration of hispanics. I don't want Europe to become Islamic through mass migration of Muslims. Both of these things are true. But they are not bigoted stances. I would not want, for example, Japan to lose its identity to mass migration either. Even if that mass migration was by European whites like me. I would not want Mexico to lose it's identity either through mass migration from somewhere else. I like tacos. I don't mind taco trucks. I just don't want taco trucks on every corner, that's all. Oh, and taco truck operators should be legal and learn English. That doesn't mean they should forget Spanish, but they should learn English.

The very sort that I despise, just as I despise muslim religious terrorist bigots who are your exact mirror image.

And yet I am sure you support million of fundamentalist Muslim migrants flooding into Europe and islamicizing it.

 

[laughing dog]

Bullshit! Just because I reject the left-wing orthodoxy does not make me a bigot.

Absolutely true - rejection of left wing orthodoxy (whatever that means) does not make you a bigot. However, your persistent ignorant and fear-driven posts about muslims, immigrants and black people do make you appear bigoted. Amd statements like " I do not want US to become part of Latin America through mass migration of hispanics. " reinforce that impression.

 

[Elixir]

I am no psychologist but I still think I got you.

I know - you harbor a lot of thoughts that are just plain wrong. That's only one minor example.

I happen to be an old hjeterosexual, married, relatively well-off white male

There are a lot of self-hating white people on the left.

Yes, suppressed self-loathing is what drives a lot of white supremacist bigots.

Example, Lena Dunham. LENA DUNHAM: EXTINCTION OF WHITE MEN WOULD PROMPT ‘EVOLUTION OF BETTER MEN’

Or Noel Ignatiev. Harvard professor argues for 'abolishing' white race
And many others.

who was not conditioned in childhood to hate and fear "others" as you obviously have been.

No I have not.

I'm sure your parents didn't spin it that way, at least not overtly.

Yes, if your posts are honest expressions of your beliefs, you ARE a bigot.

Bullshit!

"Methinks she doth protest too much!"
- Billy S

Just a little FYI, Derec. I live in an area where there are a lot of latinos/latinas, including some Mexican "illegals", and there is violent gang activity going on in an adjacent county (mostly against each other) where [mostly white] law enforcement is in cahoots with the "bad homres". It's fucked up. But those bad hombre "illegals" are no more at fault than their white profiteering enablers, without whom those gangs would be jailed or deported by next week.

Meanwhile, I run a business that supports US law enforcement, from small-town cop shops to municipal, state and federal LE agencies. My biggest customers last year were CBP and ICE, and I know a lot of agents and officials within those agencies - many euro-descended white people and many bearing names like Castillo, Garcia, Castro, Gutierrez etc, with skin of a color that makes you shit your pants. These people harbor none of the hatred or fear that you evince, and spend their lives trying to make things safe and just for EVERYONE in the US, including bigots like yourself.

Now, I understand that you are a smart guy - you probably have an IQ that is double that of El Cheato, which would place you in the top 40 percentile or so. But you are obviously conditioned against accepting people who are dissimilar to you in appearance or beliefs. Maybe your conditioning didn't come from your parents, but it came from somewhere. Maybe you could share with us so we might understand?

The very sort that I despise, just as I despise muslim religious terrorist bigots who are your exact mirror image.

And yet I am sure you support million of fundamentalist Muslim migrants flooding into Europe and islamicizing it.

Well there ya go - yet another "thing" you are sure of that just ain't so.
Let me venture a guess - you thought Obama caused great suffering to you and your ilk - Right?