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You really, really want it to be true.
Projection as usual.
Swiz pretending that a person arrested by trump thugs can be accounted for by dialing 1-800-ICEHOLE
I do not see any projection on Swizzle's part. He merely quoted that Indian chief retracting his prior statement about some Sioux allegedly being detained by ICE. Given that they are "unhoused", they could really be anywhere.
 
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That is exactly the point. It's one thing to deport people who come here illegally and stay, and quite another to treat people like sacks of meat, beating them, shooting them, breaking down their doors without a warrant, etc, and even sometimes arresting citizens, including Native Americans.
True. But it is also the point that we would not be here (with Trump 2.0 and his ICE overreach) had Dems not been very unpopular on the issue of immigration. Not just Biden/Harris border mess, but also "sanctuary" policies by Dem-run cities and states, as well as left-wing activists who oppose any immigration enforcement and keep insisting that "no human is illegal".
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"Stop criminalizing poverty"?
So anybody poor from anywhere in the world should just be able to come here? Even though there are billions of people to whom this applies?

These left-wing de facto open border activists are just insane, and a big reason why Trump's border and immigration rhetoric was so successful in 2024.
 
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So Twiz, who ya gonna believe the news or your lying eyes?


Who are you going to believe?

Frank Star Comes Out, president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota, said he and other council members have not been able to verify that unhoused Oglala tribal members have been detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Minneapolis. Star Comes Out partially walked back those earlier statements regarding the status of tribal members during a news conference held Friday at the Minneapolis American Indian Center.

News

You really, really want it to be true. You’re not the only one of course.
No! I don't want it to be true and I hope it's not true.
 
The Gustopo is going after Maine now.

Lewiston Maine in particular has a lot of Somalis.

A number of asylum seekers from African countries who arrived in the United States during the Biden administration have settled in Maine, joining a Somali population that started arriving there in the early 2000s, when refugees from the country began settling in Lewiston. Yet Maine remains an overwhelmingly white state, with one of the oldest populations in the country. Some employers have begun looking to immigrants to fill labor gaps, as native-born employees have either left the work force or retired.

“In the coming days, if Maine citizens seek to exercise their rights to assemble and protest, it is vital that these protests remain peaceful,” said Andrew Benson, the U.S. attorney in the state. “Anyone who forcibly assaults or impedes a federal law enforcement officer, willfully destroys government property or unlawfully obstructs federal law enforcement activity commits a federal crime and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

President Trump in recent months has particularly focused on Somali immigrants, at one point referring to them as “garbage.”

“When they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don’t want them in our country,” Mr. Trump said in December. “Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.” Mr. Trump also slammed Representative Ilhan Omar, a Democrat and a Somali immigrant, in his tirade against Somalis.


“When they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don’t want them in our country,” Mr. Trump said in December. “Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.” Mr. Trump also slammed Representative Ilhan Omar, a Democrat and a Somali immigrant, in his tirade against Somalis.


From the Boston Globe

ICE officials said the operation is focused on “the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens who have terrorized communities.” They said some of the Tuesday arrests include defendants accused of aggravated assault, false imprisonment, and endangering the welfare of a child.

Worst of the worst. Right. It's a lie. They are going there to terrorize everyone.

ICE officials confirmed the operation Wednesday, calling it “Operation Catch of the Day.”

Ya that's nice. Equating people with fish to eat.

“Governor Mills and her fellow sanctuary politicians in Maine have made it abundantly clear that they would rather stand with criminal illegal aliens than protect law-abiding American citizens,” Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in the statement.

When the Federal government sounds like Nazis out of the 1930's/1940.....

 
DHS is now saying that that their thugs don't need a judicial warrant to break down doors and enter homes. They say all the need now is an administrative warrant which is not signed by a judge.

But they think so secretly. It took a whistleblower to reveal this new training policy and memo.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.

The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.

For years, immigrant advocates, legal aid groups and local governments have urged people not to open their doors to immigration agents unless they are shown a warrant signed by a judge. That guidance is rooted in Supreme Court rulings that generally prohibit law enforcement from entering a home without judicial approval. The ICE directive directly undercuts that advice at a time when arrests are accelerating under the administration’s immigration crackdown.

The memo itself has not been widely shared within the agency, according to a whistleblower complaint, but its contents have been used to train new ICE officers who are being deployed into cities and towns to implement the president’s immigration crackdown. New ICE hires and those still in training are being told to follow the memo’s guidance instead of written training materials that actually contradict the memo, according to the whistleblower disclosure.

The Associated Press obtained the memo and whistleblower complaint from an official in Congress, who shared it on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive documents. The AP verified the authenticity of the accounts in the complaint.

The memo is addressed to all ICE personnel. But it has been shown only to “select DHS officials” who then shared it with some employees who were told to read it and return it, Whistleblower Aid wrote in the disclosure.

One of the two whistleblowers was allowed to view the memo only in the presence of a supervisor and then had to give it back. That person was not allowed to take notes. A whistleblower was able to access the document and lawfully disclose to Congress, Whistleblower Aid said.

Although the memo was issued in May, David Kligerman, senior vice president and special counsel at Whistleblower Aid, said it took time for its clients to find a “safe and legal path to disclose it to lawmakers and the American people.”

So DHS thinks that breaking and entering is now legal.

I sure hope that this is challenged in court very fast.

 
Crazy women again.

Two protesters linked to the storming of a Minnesota church where an ICE agent allegedly serves as pastor have been arrested. Both women are accused of being among those at the anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) demonstration at Cities Church in St Paul on Monday. The insurrection was also attended by former CNN star Don Lemon, who said it was his 'First Amendment right' to storm the place of worship. Bondi said Armstrong, who leads one of the groups behind the protest, 'allegedly played a key role in organizing the coordinated attack' on the church. The demonstration was coordinated by groups including Racial Justice Network, Black Lives Matter Minnesota, and Black Lives Matter Twin Cities.

Daily Mail

And a gay bloke.

Don't these people have anything productive to do? Like a job. Probably not.
 
DHS is now saying that that their thugs don't need a judicial warrant to break down doors and enter homes. They say all the need now is an administrative warrant which is not signed by a judge.

But they think so secretly. It took a whistleblower to reveal this new training policy and memo.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.

The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.

For years, immigrant advocates, legal aid groups and local governments have urged people not to open their doors to immigration agents unless they are shown a warrant signed by a judge. That guidance is rooted in Supreme Court rulings that generally prohibit law enforcement from entering a home without judicial approval. The ICE directive directly undercuts that advice at a time when arrests are accelerating under the administration’s immigration crackdown.

The memo itself has not been widely shared within the agency, according to a whistleblower complaint, but its contents have been used to train new ICE officers who are being deployed into cities and towns to implement the president’s immigration crackdown. New ICE hires and those still in training are being told to follow the memo’s guidance instead of written training materials that actually contradict the memo, according to the whistleblower disclosure.

The Associated Press obtained the memo and whistleblower complaint from an official in Congress, who shared it on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive documents. The AP verified the authenticity of the accounts in the complaint.

The memo is addressed to all ICE personnel. But it has been shown only to “select DHS officials” who then shared it with some employees who were told to read it and return it, Whistleblower Aid wrote in the disclosure.

One of the two whistleblowers was allowed to view the memo only in the presence of a supervisor and then had to give it back. That person was not allowed to take notes. A whistleblower was able to access the document and lawfully disclose to Congress, Whistleblower Aid said.

Although the memo was issued in May, David Kligerman, senior vice president and special counsel at Whistleblower Aid, said it took time for its clients to find a “safe and legal path to disclose it to lawmakers and the American people.”

So DHS thinks that breaking and entering is now legal.

I sure hope that this is challenged in court very fast.

Why fear someone who they know doesn't own guns? Or at least those who they think do not own guns.

I think the 2A as interpreted now is a blood soaked farce. However, it's encouraging to see an uptick in liberals buying more guns although the perception remains that we're a bunch of pacifist pussies. I know what I'd do if my door was being busted in at night if I had the time to react. I wouldn't know it's ICE; it could be someone trying to kill and rob me, which would make me a Good Guy With A Gun, right?
 
Crazy women again.

Two protesters linked to the storming of a Minnesota church where an ICE agent allegedly serves as pastor have been arrested. Both women are accused of being among those at the anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) demonstration at Cities Church in St Paul on Monday. The insurrection was also attended by former CNN star Don Lemon, who said it was his 'First Amendment right' to storm the place of worship. Bondi said Armstrong, who leads one of the groups behind the protest, 'allegedly played a key role in organizing the coordinated attack' on the church. The demonstration was coordinated by groups including Racial Justice Network, Black Lives Matter Minnesota, and Black Lives Matter Twin Cities.

Daily Mail

And a gay bloke.

Don't these people have anything productive to do? Like a job. Probably not.

Well first Don Lemon and other males attending were not women to my knowledge. Secondly, speaking of crazy people, why are you repeating that this is an attack on a church?
 
Crazy women again.

Two protesters linked to the storming of a Minnesota church where an ICE agent allegedly serves as pastor have been arrested. Both women are accused of being among those at the anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) demonstration at Cities Church in St Paul on Monday. The insurrection was also attended by former CNN star Don Lemon, who said it was his 'First Amendment right' to storm the place of worship. Bondi said Armstrong, who leads one of the groups behind the protest, 'allegedly played a key role in organizing the coordinated attack' on the church. The demonstration was coordinated by groups including Racial Justice Network, Black Lives Matter Minnesota, and Black Lives Matter Twin Cities.

Daily Mail

And a gay bloke.

Don't these people have anything productive to do? Like a job. Probably not.

This is a textbook example of how poorly considered tactics can undermine the very cause they are meant to advance.

Well first Don Lemon and other males attending were not women to my knowledge. Secondly, speaking of crazy people, why are you repeating that this is an attack on a church?

The protesters deliberately entered a private space where others were engaged in a constitutionally protected activity in order to protest an immigration policy unrelated to that activity. The fact that an ICE agent serves as a pastor there is irrelevant. When he is practicing his faith, he is entitled to the same constitutional protections as every other congregant.
 
Do you really like the idea of ICE invading someones's home without a warrant? Doesn't that sound like it should be illegal to you?
I believe ICE can not enter someone’s home without a warrant but they can enter if the person at the door says they can enter. So I don’t know what you are talking about here.

How would you feel if ICE knocked down your door because they suspected you were here legally and/or thought that your IDs were phony. That's just a small example of what I'm talking about.

I’d be more than a little surprised if they did that to me. But I can’t say I have seen any credible reports that such an event has occurred.

Didn't the guy you voted for say he was going after immigrants who were harmful criminals? Most of those who have been detained have no criminal records or have only committed minor crimes like traffic violations and petty crimes. Being here illegally is supposed to be a civil violation, not a criminal one, but how things have changed since a felon was elected president. ?

I don’t think things have changed that much in regards to people in the USA being deported, certainly Obama deported plenty of them. It just wasn’t made such a big deal when he did it.
Really? You are unaware that Native Americans are routinely being stopped and their tribal IDs being taken from them, told they were fake, destroyed and then disappeared? That three NA in Minnesota are being held against their will as hostages, with ICE trying to blackmail their way into having access to reservation land so that they can build a detention center ( concentration camp) there? You are unaware that children are being kidnapped by armed masked people and sent thousands of miles away from their parents? That an elderly non-white US citizen was forcibly removed from his home, forced into sub-zero temperatures while wearing only his underwear and sent to a detention center/concentration camp? That people are being dragged from their automobiles and kidnapped by ICE for the crime of not being white enough? That ICE is snatching students on their way to or from school? Or on grocery runs for their families? Not allowed phone calls? Or visits from clergy? Or medical professionals? BTW, that was just this last two weeks in one small part of Minnesota.

You remind me of all of those good Germans who knew nothing of the concentration camps where smoke billowed from the furnaces burning bodies of neighbors who disappeared.

When is the last time you made it off of your couch?
 
Crazy women again.

Two protesters linked to the storming of a Minnesota church where an ICE agent allegedly serves as pastor have been arrested. Both women are accused of being among those at the anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) demonstration at Cities Church in St Paul on Monday. The insurrection was also attended by former CNN star Don Lemon, who said it was his 'First Amendment right' to storm the place of worship. Bondi said Armstrong, who leads one of the groups behind the protest, 'allegedly played a key role in organizing the coordinated attack' on the church. The demonstration was coordinated by groups including Racial Justice Network, Black Lives Matter Minnesota, and Black Lives Matter Twin Cities.

Daily Mail

And a gay bloke.

Don't these people have anything productive to do? Like a job. Probably not.

This is a textbook example of how poorly considered tactics can undermine the very cause they are meant to advance.

Well first Don Lemon and other males attending were not women to my knowledge. Secondly, speaking of crazy people, why are you repeating that this is an attack on a church?

The protesters deliberately entered a private space where others were engaged in a constitutionally protected activity in order to protest an immigration policy unrelated to that activity. The fact that an ICE agent serves as a pastor there is irrelevant. When he is practicing his faith, he is entitled to the same constitutional protections as every other congregant.

Protesting isn't an "attack" and the target was not "the church," and therefore my sentence refers to how the right-wing news media is portraying this as an attack on a church. It was not violent and the church wasn't attacked. Actual attacks are happening against immigrants and sometimes citizens. Right-wing news and even much of mainstream media is being very loud about this issue and the protestors will be prosecuted but this is selective while the administration ignores the constitution in many regards and protects violent insurrectionists and violent state-sponsored thugs. We shouldn't call this an attack on a church but instead a non-violent protest against an ICE agent where the protestors probably shouldn't have gone. Calling all the victims of violent immigration policy crazy or the observers who have had enough of the observations crazy is flipping reality on its head (not by you)--no, it's more it's collaborating with the creeping fascism we are observing. Let's just call things as they are and be fact-based.
 
Do you really like the idea of ICE invading someones's home without a warrant? Doesn't that sound like it should be illegal to you?
I believe ICE can not enter someone’s home without a warrant but they can enter if the person at the door says they can enter. So I don’t know what you are talking about here.

How would you feel if ICE knocked down your door because they suspected you were here legally and/or thought that your IDs were phony. That's just a small example of what I'm talking about.

I’d be more than a little surprised if they did that to me. But I can’t say I have seen any credible reports that such an event has occurred.

Didn't the guy you voted for say he was going after immigrants who were harmful criminals? Most of those who have been detained have no criminal records or have only committed minor crimes like traffic violations and petty crimes. Being here illegally is supposed to be a civil violation, not a criminal one, but how things have changed since a felon was elected president. ?

I don’t think things have changed that much in regards to people in the USA being deported, certainly Obama deported plenty of them. It just wasn’t made such a big deal when he did it.
Really? You are unaware that Native Americans are routinely being stopped and their tribal IDs being taken from them, told they were fake, destroyed and then disappeared? That three NA in Minnesota are being held against their will as hostages, with ICE trying to blackmail their way into having access to reservation land so that they can build a detention center ( concentration camp) there?

Sure, Jan.

You are unaware that children are being kidnapped by armed masked people and sent thousands of miles away from their parents? That an elderly non-white US citizen was forcibly removed from his home, forced into sub-zero temperatures while wearing only his underwear and sent to a detention center/concentration camp? That people are being dragged from their automobiles and kidnapped by ICE for the crime of not being white enough? That ICE is snatching students on their way to or from school? Or on grocery runs for their families? Not allowed phone calls? Or visits from clergy? Or medical professionals? BTW, that was just this last two weeks in one small part of Minnesota.

Sure, Jan.

You remind me of all of those good Germans who knew nothing of the concentration camps where smoke billowed from the furnaces burning bodies of neighbors who disappeared.

You really do live in an alternate universe.

When is the last time you made it off of your couch?

Except to feed the cats, when did you last get off your couch?
 
Protesting isn't an "attack" and the target was not "the church," and therefore my sentence refers to how the right-wing news media is portraying this as an attack on a church.

Whether or not the protest was intended as an “attack,” people exercising their religion still have constitutional rights. If the protest substantially interfered with their ability to worship, that’s a rights issue regardless of intent or media framing. It's why I consider it a textbook example of how poorly considered tactics can undermine the very cause they are meant to advance.
 
I don’t think things have changed that much in regards to people in the USA being deported, certainly Obama deported plenty of them. It just wasn’t made such a big deal when he did it.

What’s changed is how frequently ICE operations appear to push or disregard established constitutional limits and the traditional scope of federal authority.

  • warrantless entries
  • administrative warrants being treated like judicial ones
  • lack of coordination with local law enforcement
  • unclear identification of agents
  • expansion of enforcement beyond traditional bounds

Yeah, there have been some changes you might not be aware of.
 
So Twiz, who ya gonna believe the news or your lying eyes?


Who are you going to believe?

Frank Star Comes Out, president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota, said he and other council members have not been able to verify that unhoused Oglala tribal members have been detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Minneapolis. Star Comes Out partially walked back those earlier statements regarding the status of tribal members during a news conference held Friday at the Minneapolis American Indian Center.

News

You really, really want it to be true. You’re not the only one of course.
Cannot confirm because those incarcerated in the Whipple Detention Center at Ft.Snelling, the site of a concentration camp for Dakota Indians during the 1862-63 US-Dakota War, are routinely denied access to call attorneys, family, medical help, etc.
 
Protesting isn't an "attack" and the target was not "the church," and therefore my sentence refers to how the right-wing news media is portraying this as an attack on a church.

Whether or not the protest was intended as an “attack,” people exercising their religion still have constitutional rights. If the protest substantially interfered with their ability to worship, that’s a rights issue regardless of intent or media framing. It's why I consider it a textbook example of how poorly considered tactics can undermine the very cause they are meant to advance.
I agree here, although I thoroughly despise even the notion of any clergy being a part of I.C.E., everyone has the right to worship as they choose.
 
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