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Impeachment II thread

Kevin McCarthy (R), House Minority Leader, has gone to Florida to meet with the defendant.
 
house-democrats-impeachment-case - The Washington Post

"House Democrats building elaborate, emotionally charged case against Trump" - including video evidence and details about injured cops.
The goal is to present the Senate with fresh evidence that reveals what Trump knew in advance of the Jan. 6 rampage at the Capitol, as well as how his words and actions influenced those who participated. The rioting left five dead, including one member of the U.S. Capitol Police. In addition, two officers, one with the D.C. Police Department, have since died by suicide.

The effort to present new video evidence and witness testimony appears designed to make Republican senators as uncomfortable as possible as they prepare to vote to acquit Trump, as most have indicated they will do. The prospect of injured police officers describing the brutality of pro-Trump rioters to Republicans who regularly present themselves as advocates of law enforcement could make for an extraordinary, nationally televised scene.

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“Our goal is conviction,” said one person working on strategy with the House impeachment managers, referencing a House Republican from Wyoming who voted with Democrats to impeach Trump. “What story are we going to tell to get there? We are going to describe what happened as summarized by Liz Cheney when she announced her support for Trump’s impeachment: ‘He summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack.’ ’

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House Democrats chose a law firm to do the audiovisual work rather than an entertainment company, aides said, to avoid too much glitz and to ensure a properly somber final product similar to what might be used in a courtroom.

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It is unclear whether the impeachment managers will be permitted to call witnesses. People working with the House managers said they have discussed a wish list of potential witnesses. Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) told talk show host Hugh Hewitt that top aides told him that Trump was “walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was as you had rioters pushing against Capitol Police.”
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Leaders of both parties in the Senate want to keep the trial short - about a week - because Democrats want to move on to Biden's agenda, while Republicans want to bury the issue.
 
So...
Trump's lawyers have quit.
Apparently Trump wanted them to turn the trial into a scene about election fraud, and none of them were willing to embarrass and disgrace themselves to that degree.

Trump says he could defend himself. And he is absolutely right about that. There's no way he could fail.
Trump, and/or anyone off the street could go in there, dance a jig on the Senate floor chanting "Nyah nyah nyah, you can't convict!", and obtain exactly the same acQuittal that twenty of the best lawyers in the world would get him.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Kinzinger doesn't appear to be enabling GOP assholery. Good on him.
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Apparently, according to a good deal of his family and constituants there is a perfectly understandable reason for Kinzinger voting to impeach.

"He is posessed by the devil."

This is what we are working with here. It is hopeless. I don't think a rational discussion can be had with half of GOP voters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kinzinger-they-claim-im-possessed-by-the-devil/ar-BB1dgeKo
 
zorq said:
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Kinzinger doesn't appear to be enabling GOP assholery. Good on him.
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Apparently, according to a good deal of his family and constituants there is a perfectly understandable reason for Kinzinger voting to impeach.

"He is posessed by the devil."

This is what we are working with here. It is hopeless. I don't think a rational discussion can be had with half of GOP voters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kinzinger-they-claim-im-possessed-by-the-devil/ar-BB1dgeKo
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We need to meet them half way and agree that insurrection was justified and Biden should resign.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
zorq said:
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Kinzinger doesn't appear to be enabling GOP assholery. Good on him.
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Apparently, according to a good deal of his family and constituants there is a perfectly understandable reason for Kinzinger voting to impeach.

"He is posessed by the devil."

This is what we are working with here. It is hopeless. I don't think a rational discussion can be had with half of GOP voters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kinzinger-they-claim-im-possessed-by-the-devil/ar-BB1dgeKo
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We need to meet them half way and agree that insurrection was justified and Biden should resign.
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It isn't very difficult to perceive the kind of structural, slow, creeping violence that these idiots perpetrate. They don't always use lynchings but they always threaten lynchings. They rule by threats and intimidation and pass laws to maintain their control, which is why they love Putin, and why Trump loves Putin. Their terror doesn't just go away, it has to be confronted and resisted. It gives a decent person renewed hope and determination because their actions are so clarifying.
 
Hopefully, the insane passion of these folks, when given open expression, will box them into (enraged) minority status. Let them fester while their guts are seething in visceral hatred of the sane. Any independents out there who want to put on horns and paint and join hands with the Qsters?
 
ideologyhunter said:
Hopefully, the insane passion of these folks, when given open expression, will box them into (enraged) minority status. Let them fester while their guts are seething in visceral hatred of the sane. Any independents out there who want to put on horns and paint and join hands with the Qsters?
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74 million Americans voted for Trump in 2020. This movement isn't going anywhere. Arizona is trying to pass legislation to allow the legislature to override future election results because of Trump's fraudulent claims of election fraud! The GOP is kissing Trump's ring.
 
But again -- as they get deeper into their rabbit hole, are they not becoming more obnoxious to the 10% or so that they must add to their base, to have a hope of winning national contests? Or state -- Georgia could be a harbinger.
 
ideologyhunter said:
But again -- as they get deeper into their rabbit hole, are they not becoming more obnoxious to the 10% or so that they must add to their base, to have a hope of winning national contests? Or state -- Georgia could be a harbinger.
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Again, they aren't the obnoxious ones, obviously not when their opponents are socialists and communists! This has been a slow burn process since the 80s. They impeached Clinton over perjury regarding a blowjob. They obstructed a Democrat President who was trying to deal with a historic recession. They stuffed SCOTUS with right-wing uber conservatives to radicals. And now, they are obstructing Biden's response to an historic pandemic, trial into the incitement of the Capitol invasion which led to the evacuation of Congress, EV's for Biden, and Biden's general ability to govern at all (some of the slowest Cabinet approvals seen).
 
We probably agree on the main points here. Yes, the GOP is becoming completely unhinged, authoritarian, antidemocratic, and toxic. To all that, I add: overreach has a price.
 
ideologyhunter said:
We probably agree on the main points here. Yes, the GOP is becoming completely unhinged, authoritarian, antidemocratic, and toxic. To all that, I add: overreach has a price.
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It isn't over-reach when you convince enough people the enemy is worse. The use of the word socialism among the 'mainstream' McConnell-esque GOP is exploding. 81% of Republicans think the election was stolen.

I think the results in Georgia are sombering. Abrams proved it is turnout... meaning the Independents truly seem to be a strawman. And when 81% of Republicans think the election was stolen, I think "over reach" isn't a problem.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
ideologyhunter said:
We probably agree on the main points here. Yes, the GOP is becoming completely unhinged, authoritarian, antidemocratic, and toxic. To all that, I add: overreach has a price.
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It isn't over-reach when you convince enough people the enemy is worse. The use of the word socialism among the 'mainstream' McConnell-esque GOP is exploding. 81% of Republicans think the election was stolen.

I think the results in Georgia are sombering. Abrams proved it is turnout... meaning the Independents truly seem to be a strawman. And when 81% of Republicans think the election was stolen, I think "over reach" isn't a problem.
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But they wouldn't think the election was stolen if their presidential candidate had won. That's the important fact to keep front and center, and to keep shoving in their faces.

I get your point, however. I liken it to dropping out of high school. It's just not a good thing when so many are failing and dropping out.
 
This probably belongs somewhere in the Humor forums, but …

MSNBC said this morning that Trump's defense against the charge that he "repeated false claims" about wiinning the election by a landslide and blah blah, is going to be that they weren't false claims.
The defense will argue that they were what Trump sincerely believed, so ...

.. *skroink*

They're basically pleading insanity.
I'd say that's a good argument for prohibiting Trump from running for any public office again.
 
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