Intelligence, race and related issues.

[Loren Pechtel]

I've never met a person arguing for the existence of "races" who didn't think that their race was superior to the "other races." Has anyone been in discussions where this was not the case?

Races exist. What are Neanderthals? And Denisovians?

 

[barbos]

I've never met a person arguing for the existence of "races" who didn't think that their race was superior to the "other races." Has anyone been in discussions where this was not the case?

Races exist. What are Neanderthals? And Denisovians?

both Neanderthals and Denisovians are extinct, hence don't exist.

 

[repoman]

Is there anyone who is not an ideologue either way who has solid contextualized research about bone marrow donors?

Again, this is such a niche effect of inter "racial" children that even if true it is mostly so what.

Let's say you had a moderately small not freshly outbred (but not inbred like Appalachian hicks, Pakistanis or hyper orthodox Jews) population. Would they have a better chance of having donors than a family of one "white" English/Russian/Italian/Czech grandparent each?

 

[barbos]

Is there anyone who is not an ideologue either way who has solid contextualized research about bone marrow donors?

Looks like there is no controversy here. Bone marrow match is hard to find even without mixing and very hard to find for mixed race children.

Again, this is such a niche effect of inter "racial" children that even if true it is mostly so what.

I think the point was to demonstrate that races exist, not to advocate race purity.

Let's say you had a moderately small not freshly outbred (but not inbred like Appalachian hicks, Pakistanis or hyper orthodox Jews) population. Would they have a better chance of having donors than a family of one "white" English/Russian/Italian/Czech grandparent each?

The answer it seems (according to google) yes, they would have a better chance. Of course it would depend on how moderately small that group is.

 

[Trausti]

Remember, it’s an inconsequential fluke that global IQ tracks with global wealth. It’s just the wealthy countries are hoarding all the magic dirt, leaving low IQ countries with tragic dirt. Liberal creationists really need you to believe that.

Newsflash: Wealth causally impacts every aspect of the environment, many of which in turn impact the intellectual and academic development reflected by IQ tests. IOW, your own facts are evidence against your position, and you're incapable of seeing it. If I were a racist like yourself, I would use your proven lack of intellect to infer your race.

 

[Trausti]

Remember, race does not exist.

Genetic diversity, not race.

Call it race. Call it population groups. Call it genetic diversity. But please don't imagine that humans were granted a divine dispensation from the implications of evolution and natural selection.

 

[Jarhyn]

Remember, race does not exist.

Genetic diversity, not race.

Call it race. Call it population groups. Call it genetic diversity. But please don't imagine that humans were granted a divine dispensation from the implications of evolution and natural selection.

So, you're arguing that bone marrow donations are "natural" now? Something that has been a thing for less than a century is now supposed to be a justification for.laws that existed before it was even a medical possibility? Gimmie a break.

The fact is, new genetic combinations, genetic diversity, has more benefits than not, since you're right, human s aren't immune from the implications of evolution, and genetic diversity and exchange between groups with disparate adaptations is the only way to allow natural selection to select the best of both. Or perhaps using an analogy that a tiny racist brain may understand, mutts are more likely to be healthy, survivable, and intelligent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Call it race. Call it population groups. Call it genetic diversity. But please don't imagine that humans were granted a divine dispensation from the implications of evolution and natural selection.

Yeah, the genetics were so terrible that southern US states had to pass laws to keep African Americans from learning how to read. And we weren't talking about some petty misdemeanor. We are talking punishment of flogging.

 

[Elixir]

... mutts are more likely to be healthy, survivable, and intelligent.

Hybrid vigor only goes so far. Its benefits can be thwarted if hybrids are isolated in the manner attempted by racists and their institutions.

 

[Politesse]

Call it race. Call it population groups. Call it genetic diversity. But please don't imagine that humans were granted a divine dispensation from the implications of evolution and natural selection.

No one has ever claimed that. You have this thing going on where any evidence of human genetic diversity, in your mind, somehow proves that races and racism are valid. This is no the case. The reason biologists abandoned race theory is because they had better models for understanding inheritance, and in an age of actual genetic science had no more reason to lean on "divine dispensation" to explain anything.

 

[barbos]

mutts are more likely to be healthy, survivable, and intelligent.

First generation only. They are less likely to get two copies of some recessive gene. Later generations can actually be less healthy because they may lose gene complexes which only work together. In any case, both effects are rather small in real life. But yeah both inbreeding and out-breeding have benefits.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I've never met a person arguing for the existence of "races" who didn't think that their race was superior to the "other races." Has anyone been in discussions where this was not the case?

Races exist. What are Neanderthals? And Denisovians?

both Neanderthals and Denisovians are extinct, hence don't exist.

So there's no such thing as a Tyrannosaurs Rex because they're extinct?

 

[Jarhyn]

mutts are more likely to be healthy, survivable, and intelligent.

First generation only. They are less likely to get two copies of some recessive gene. Later generations can actually be less healthy because they may lose gene complexes which only work together. In any case, both effects are rather small in real life. But yeah both inbreeding and out-breeding have benefits.

And thus the environment will, at some fairly brisk rate, weed out the individuals for whom the complex is broken, or even locating new synergistic complexes.

For every complex that is broken, there are opportunities that new complexes can be located.

 

[barbos]

mutts are more likely to be healthy, survivable, and intelligent.

First generation only. They are less likely to get two copies of some recessive gene. Later generations can actually be less healthy because they may lose gene complexes which only work together. In any case, both effects are rather small in real life. But yeah both inbreeding and out-breeding have benefits.

And thus the environment will, at some fairly brisk rate, weed out the individuals for whom the complex is broken, or even locating new synergistic complexes.

For every complex that is broken, there are opportunities that new complexes can be located.

Gene complexes require fair level of small group inbreeding and are developed on a time scale on which races/ethnic groups are developed.
We don't have such conditions anymore.

Anyway my point was that out-breeding is not an unarguably good thing.
First generation has none of the gene complexes broken, second have some broken and then more and more.

 

[Jarhyn]

And thus the environment will, at some fairly brisk rate, weed out the individuals for whom the complex is broken, or even locating new synergistic complexes.

For every complex that is broken, there are opportunities that new complexes can be located.

Gene complexes require fair level of small group inbreeding and are developed on a time scale on which races/ethnic groups are developed.
We don't have such conditions anymore.

Anyway my point was that out-breeding is not an unarguably good thing.
First generation has none of the gene complexes broken, second have some broken and then more and more.

To the extent that such complexes are unique to the locality, and not a commonly held adaptation selected for over long timescales and reassembled/transmitted fairly rapidly because of their adaptive nature.

As.has been discussed, intelligence, in a species whose primary adaptive edge is intelligence, is going to spread like wildfire from the briefest of contacts through the centuries, and be jealously retained.

Other traits caused through synergies are more situational, and largely superceded by intelligence and adoption of technology.there are always people seeking to travel to New and exotic places and fuck new and exotic people.

 

[barbos]

Jarhyn
Again, I merely commented on your claim about mutts.