Is This the Death of Europe?

[bilby]

Let's say tomorrow, bombs start falling around you, and you have to flee. {snip}

The vast majority of these "refugees" are not dodging bombs and bullets. They are mostly economic migrants.

With iPhones.

They fled the place where they got iPhones, to find prosperity.

For fucks sake, at least TRY to be coherent.

 

[TSwizzle]

The vast majority of these "refugees" are not dodging bombs and bullets. They are mostly economic migrants.

With iPhones.

They fled the place where they got iPhones, to find prosperity.

For fucks sake, at least TRY to be coherent.

The presence of iPhones is neither here nor there. Most of them are not "refugees".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't see how Europe, as we know it, can survive this. The recent "refugee" surge is just the latest wave of migrants; when you consider that hundreds of thousands have been pouring illegally into Europe for years, the number is incalculably high.

If you don't know math, I suppose that could be true.

The multicultural paradise that those on the left envision doesn't work. It hasn't worked anywhere ever.

Agreed. The United States and New York City, specifically, is an utter hell hole, not a single job to found in it anywhere. A true failure of multiculturalism.

The Middle East is all kinds of multicultural - and it is a basket case and was so long before Western intervention.

That's a new one. Small individual groups don't equal their own culture.

People inevitably revert to religious, ethnic, and racial in-groups, and they bring and propagate their own cultures and values.

Umm... is that a problem?

It is sad to see a great civilization commit suicide.

You do Chicken Little pround.

If you replace the population of Europe with non-Europeans, you no longer have Europe. You have something else.

So are all the in-situ people just going to disappear?

Just like when the Turks eradicated the Byzantine culture of Anatolia.

I was thinking of Anatolia like, just before you mentioned it!

And that something else in the former Europe will be a shoddy comparison to what it replaced.

You folks don't think too highly of it right now with health care and consumer rights and other communistic devil worship things.

 

[Jokodo]

You're right. These poor, oppressed, war refugees have iPhone 6s for selfies. I guess it will be okay.

Tell me, what would *you* take with you when war comes to your home?

Let's say tomorrow, bombs start falling around you, and you have to flee. Should others refuse to help you because you were wearing the clothes of a wealthy westerner? Should they refuse to help you because you were smart enough to take (or simply have on you when you started running) a mobile device that might not only be used to call for help; but can do all sorts of useful things like connect to the internet (if you're lucky enough to find a connection during the war), or show you maps of where the fuck you're going? And which, more than that, likely has all sorts of personal shit on it like photos and contact information that you'd want to take with you and which, if things got desperate enough, you might be able to sell so you have money for food and shelter?

Don't be a fucking tool.

Or, as the Independent put it: Surprised that Syrian refugees have smartphones? Sorry to break this to you, but you're an idiot

 

[Trausti]

Tell me, what would *you* take with you when war comes to your home?

Let's say tomorrow, bombs start falling around you, and you have to flee. Should others refuse to help you because you were wearing the clothes of a wealthy westerner? Should they refuse to help you because you were smart enough to take (or simply have on you when you started running) a mobile device that might not only be used to call for help; but can do all sorts of useful things like connect to the internet (if you're lucky enough to find a connection during the war), or show you maps of where the fuck you're going? And which, more than that, likely has all sorts of personal shit on it like photos and contact information that you'd want to take with you and which, if things got desperate enough, you might be able to sell so you have money for food and shelter?

Don't be a fucking tool.

Or, as the Independent put it: Surprised that Syrian refugees have smartphones? Sorry to break this to you, but you're an idiot

The Independent? Was the crazy drunk yelling on the street not available?

 

[laughing dog]

I do fear for the future of Western civilization when I encounter such ignorant, selfish and xenophobic responses about immigrants and/or refugees in these types of threads. Perhaps the spirit of Europe and Western civilization is already dead.

 

[Jokodo]

Or, as the Independent put it: Surprised that Syrian refugees have smartphones? Sorry to break this to you, but you're an idiot

The Independent? Was the crazy drunk yelling on the street not available?

There are several specimens thereof active in this thread.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I do fear for the future of Western civilization when I encounter such ignorant, selfish and xenophobic responses about immigrants and/or refugees in these types of threads. Perhaps the spirit of Europe and Western civilization is already dead.

I wonder if we won't end up benefitting. A little less fear, perhaps.

 

[Jokodo]

The vast majority of these "refugees" are not dodging bombs and bullets. They are mostly economic migrants.

With iPhones.

They fled the place where they got iPhones, to find prosperity.

For fucks sake, at least TRY to be coherent.

Xenophobes don't do coherent.

Another one of their favourites: Those lazy immigrants who are only in it for the benefits and will still be on welfare 10 years down the road are taking away our jobs!

 

[bilby]

With iPhones.

They fled the place where they got iPhones, to find prosperity.

For fucks sake, at least TRY to be coherent.

The presence of iPhones is neither here nor there. Most of them are not "refugees".

I'm sure that, in your mind, that is somehow important.

Heaven forbid we should allow people to move when they are not being shot at. Freedom is obviously hugely overrated. Or perhaps it's only something that should be granted to wealthy white people.

 

[TSwizzle]

The presence of iPhones is neither here nor there. Most of them are not "refugees".

I'm sure that, in your mind, that is somehow important.

It was you that brought the attention to iPhones, so it must be important to you ? I don't care for iPhones.

 

[laughing dog]

Or perhaps it's only something that should be granted to wealthy white people.

What's the point of being wealthy and white if you don't get some special privileges?

 

[Nexus]

This is true and Europe is going to die.

To back up that claim with a historical precedent, there used to be this country called the United States of America. Then a bunch of brown-skinned people stormed their beaches from the south and and began to feed on the wealthy white inhabitants.

You have it backwards. In the American continents their used to be large numbers of self governing natives until their societies were driven to extinction by migrants. It didn't happen over night or even decades rather over centuries but they probably had people like you unaware and mockingly blissful of their culture's fate. At least in their case such a cataclysm was unprecedented so denial would have been understandable what's your excuse for such ignorance of history?

 

[maxparrish]

Or perhaps it's only something that should be granted to wealthy white people.

What's the point of being wealthy and white if you don't get some special privileges?

What's the point of being white if it means you don't get to have special privileges from government ? Good question.

 

[bilby]

I'm sure that, in your mind, that is somehow important.

It was you that brought the attention to iPhones, so it must be important to you ? I don't care for iPhones.

It was Trausti that brought the attention to iPhones.

My comment concerns your distinction between 'economic migrants' and 'refugees'.

Clearly you think that the distinction is so obvious that its importance needs no further elaboration.

But you are wrong.

 

[TSwizzle]

It was you that brought the attention to iPhones, so it must be important to you ? I don't care for iPhones.

It was Trausti that brought the attention to iPhones.

Then don't bother me about iPhones.

Cheers.

 

[Horatio Parker]

NPR says many of the refugees have the means to leave in an orderly fashion. Except the airlines and banks are under such tight anti-terror controls they can't take out their money or get on an airplane.

 

[bilby]

<snip>

Most of them are not "refugees".

I'm sure that, in your mind, that is somehow important.

Heaven forbid we should allow people to move when they are not being shot at. Freedom is obviously hugely overrated. Or perhaps it's only something that should be granted to wealthy white people.

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It was Trausti that brought the attention to iPhones.

Then don't bother me about iPhones.

Cheers.

I didn't.

Cheers.

 

[Ford]

Heaven forbid we should allow people to move when they are not being shot at. Freedom is obviously hugely overrated. Or perhaps it's only something that should be granted to wealthy white people.

Well that's the whole point of Maxie's OP, isn't it?

The white race is superior, but in grave danger (according to an apparently blatant white supremacist novel), so the choice is clear:

Kill all the brown people coming to Europe, or the white race dies. The survival of the white race is paramount, and all other considerations are irrelevant. Migrants? Refugees? It matters not, according to OP. They're brown, so gun 'em down.

 

[TSwizzle]

Then don't bother me about iPhones.

Cheers.

I didn't.

Cheers.

err, you did.

With iPhones.

They fled the place where they got iPhones, to find prosperity.

For fucks sake, at least TRY to be coherent.

The presence of iPhones is neither here nor there. Most of them are not "refugees".