Agree. But I've heard some people argue against this. That "these aren't islamic problems but cultural problems".It comes down to a matter of choice. While it's true that a strong argument can be made that the sexuakization of women in Western society is a sign of male domination, woman can choose whether or not they buy into that. If a woman decides to wear a conservative business suit or a thick sweater that hides her curves the odds of her getting thrown in jail or stoned to death are fairly low. Women can decide for themselves whether or not to buy into the narrative in the West. They don't have men making the decision for them. Thwt makes the two situations incomparable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw
Calling an argument 'Islamophobic' does not refute the argument. They need to give reasons for their rejection of an argument.
I was told that women are not seen as property in Islam and that clothes like the hiqab isn't denying women their sexuality. Also, my
argument was called "biologistic". "Biologism" is a term that some feminists use in order to label someone who invokes human biological nature, instincts and evolutionary psychology in the discussion.
To be honest, I think I'd have lost interest in arguing with someone who would use the term 'biologism'. Biology is not fantasy. It's science.
If I return to that discussion, could you provide me with some good source that shows evidence for the explanation that clothes like the hiqab are designed for minimizing competition from other males so that the husband can keep her for himself.
What would someone who uses the term 'biologism' regard as a good source?
Indeed. This happened on a political discussion board, where people discuss politics and feminism, I don't think they are very familiar with skeptical discussions and the religion/science issue.
From their perspective, they see Islam as being unfairly attacked/criticized by people and the media, which leads them to feel sorry for believers in Islam. Then they go on and say that the critique of Islam is racist and islamophobic. As Malcolm Gladwell argues, being an underdog can be to your advantage.
I was about to write a long text about the term "biologism" and the phobia of biology within gender studies and within some parts of feminism, but I think that deserves a separate thread.
You're right, they would probaby reject even a good source. But I'd still like to give it a try because if they do, that would be evidence for their closemindedness.
Yep, which makes no sense. As far as I know anyone can convert to Islam. Criticizing a religion = criticizing ideas."Islamophobic" is basically a version of the race card.
I'm skeptic to the term islamophobia being used as a defense when someone criticizes Islam, it's a simple defense mechanism. Memes gotta survive.
Phobia is about being afraid, it's something you could seek help for. Criticism of Islam is something we discuss, nothing we seek help for.
Feminists defend Islam?
Feminists defend one of the most notoriously sexist religions on the planet? The religion that is even more sexist than Christianity?
Uh, why would feminists defend Islam? What is your evidence that feminists defend Islam? More importantly, is your explanation for feminists defending Islam explained by any conservative conspiracy theories? The Waco conspiracy? Obama's secret weather machine? The liberal conspiracy to shoot gay beams out of the nation's televisions to turn all the children gay?
They insist that Islamic discrimination of women isn't linked to Islam, it's just the same old patriarchy. The reason, they claim, is the lack of democracy, not religion.
The view is that the patriarchy is global, and the same pattern, structures and norms can be seen everywhere, both in Scandinavia and the middle east. It's worse there because there's less democracy. To blame Islam would be islamophobic and therefore racist, so that's a no no. This is the arguing of many political parties here. Feminists here are protesting for womens _right_ to wear burqua and niqab, with arguments like "why do men always care about what women wear". I can see that point, but I think they miss the bigger picture...