Josh Duggar acknowledges he sexually molested underage girls including some of his sisters,

[Axulus]

And the saga continues:

The Josh Duggar molestation case did not end when Springdale, Ark. police closed their investigation in 2006 because the statute of limitations had run out, In Touch Weekly is reporting exclusively.

Police referred the matter to the Families in Need of Services agency, which has jurisdiction over minors. The Department of Human Services (DHS) was then brought into the case, In Touch has learned. Nine months after those agencies entered the Duggar molestation case, Josh Duggar sued the Arkansas Department of Human Services. A trial was held on August 6, 2007.

The results of the investigation into the Duggars and Josh’s trial are sealed. But a source familiar with the Duggar investigation told In Touch it was likely that Josh “appealed the DHS decision or finding from their investigation.” The source notes that DHS had the authority to apply “restrictions or stipulations about him being at home with the victims.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...e-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201

So, based on this, on what basis is it being assumed he did not get proper evaluation and treatment?

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He hasn't received proper counseling.
That it appears he molested a five year old, and the circumstances of that molestation indicate he has issues.

-The parents did report the activity to the police so, if anything, it was the justice system that failed here. If he wasn't given proper legally mandated counseling, or whatever, how is that his fault?

Didn't they report it to a friend in the Police? Didn't Josh sue the state regarding their findings of the case?

When the legal system fucks up, especially when it is in regards to a minor, there shouldn't be some form of retroactive justice to make things right. If there is new evidence that he is abusing children, that obviously merits a through investigation. It may be prudent for the mother of his children to take those children to a councilor and make sure no new abuse is taking place (that is her responsibility). But until the point that new suspicious arise, I don't see any rational basis to make him pay for the past, regardless of how hypocritical his scummy parents may be and how wrong his past actions were. The time to have properly dealt with the situation is in the past. The past can not be undone.

The past can not be undone, but he can seek counseling to help to determine if he needs help.

The bolded part is the most important, along with help for his victims.

Where is the evidence that such help has not been received? Why are people assuming that no proper counseling and evaluation occurred? Especially now that we know that DHS was involved.

 

[Toni]

And the saga continues:

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...e-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201

So, based on this, on what basis is it being assumed he did not get proper evaluation and treatment?

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He hasn't received proper counseling.
That it appears he molested a five year old, and the circumstances of that molestation indicate he has issues.

-The parents did report the activity to the police so, if anything, it was the justice system that failed here. If he wasn't given proper legally mandated counseling, or whatever, how is that his fault?

Didn't they report it to a friend in the Police? Didn't Josh sue the state regarding their findings of the case?

When the legal system fucks up, especially when it is in regards to a minor, there shouldn't be some form of retroactive justice to make things right. If there is new evidence that he is abusing children, that obviously merits a through investigation. It may be prudent for the mother of his children to take those children to a councilor and make sure no new abuse is taking place (that is her responsibility). But until the point that new suspicious arise, I don't see any rational basis to make him pay for the past, regardless of how hypocritical his scummy parents may be and how wrong his past actions were. The time to have properly dealt with the situation is in the past. The past can not be undone.

The past can not be undone, but he can seek counseling to help to determine if he needs help.

The bolded part is the most important, along with help for his victims.

Where is the evidence that such help has not been received? Why are people assuming that no proper counseling and evaluation occurred? Especially now that we know that DHS was involved.

Because this is what is being reported. I know there's a link upthread as well to a different source:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...g-child-molester-josh-duggar-received-images/

 

[Rhea]

So if he molested his 4 oldest sisters the biggest gap would have been to Jinger Nicole which is 5 years - not that small but not 10 years either.

One of the excuses for destroying the court records was that one of the victims is still under 18. The reported abuse began 13 years ago. That would make one of them five or younger.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So if he molested his 4 oldest sisters the biggest gap would have been to Jinger Nicole which is 5 years - not that small but not 10 years either.

One of the excuses for destroying the court records was that one of the victims is still under 18. The reported abuse began 13 years ago. That would make one of them five or younger.

I'm astonished the lengths Derec is going to "not defend" Josh.

 

[laughing dog]

Where is the evidence that such help has not been received? Why are people assuming that no proper counseling and evaluation occurred? Especially now that we know that DHS was involved.

Why would you assume proper counseling occurred?

 

[laughing dog]

One of the excuses for destroying the court records was that one of the victims is still under 18. The reported abuse began 13 years ago. That would make one of them five or younger.

I'm astonished the lengths Derec is going to "not defend" Josh.

The absence of "lying sluts", "radical feminists", "leftists" and "feminazis" is to be commended.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Where is the evidence that such help has not been received? Why are people assuming that no proper counseling and evaluation occurred? Especially now that we know that DHS was involved.

Why would you assume proper counseling occurred?

DHS was involved, so it could be within the realm of possibility. However, despite the outrage of where he went for "counseling", there hasn't been any feedback from them saying he did see an actually trained/certified counselor. So at best, we are talking gray area in his defense.

 

[Derec]

I'm astonished the lengths Derec is going to "not defend" Josh.

I am astonished at the lengths people go to claim he molested a five year old when there is no evidence for that.

 

[Derec]

One of the excuses for destroying the court records was that one of the victims is still under 18. The reported abuse began 13 years ago. That would make one of them five or younger.

When was the police report destroyed? Who made this "excuse" and where? Do you have a link? And I don't mean guesswork and conjecture by Gawker like posted previously.
Also, if one of the victims is still a minor than the sol could not have expired.

Even if the statute of limitations has expired, a prosecution may be commenced for certain offenses committed against minors if the violation was not previously reported and the applicable statute of limitations period has not expired since the victim reached eighteen (18) years of age. This provision applies to:

Battery in the first degree, Battery in the second degree, Aggravated assault, Terroristic threatening in the first degree, Kidnapping, False imprisonment in the first degree, Permanent detention or restraint, Rape, Sexual assault in the first degree, Sexual assault in the second degree, Sexual assault in the third degree, Sexual assault in the fourth degree, Incest, Endangering the welfare of a minor in the first degree, Permitting abuse of a minor, Engaging children in sexually explicit conduct for use in visual or print medium, Transportation of minors for prohibited sexual conduct, Employing or consenting to the use of a child in a sexual performance, Producing, directing, or promoting a sexual performance by a child, Computer child pornography, Computer exploitation of a child in the first degree, and Criminal attempt, criminal solicitation, or criminal conspiracy to commit any offense.

Arkansas Criminal Statute of Limitations

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DHS was involved, so it could be within the realm of possibility.

Seems like an overkill. Was the NSA read in as well?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm astonished the lengths Derec is going to "not defend" Josh.

I am astonished at the lengths people go to claim he molested a five year old when there is no evidence for that.

There is multiple pieces of evidence, a very critical one noted above regarding the youngest victim still being less than 18 years old, ie the whole destroying of the records. Math works her age to 5 years old in 2002.

DHS was involved, so it could be within the realm of possibility.

Seems like an overkill. Was the NSA read in as well?

Department of Health and Services, or are you trying to be funny in a case about the molestation of a five year old?

 

[Axulus]

So, based on this, on what basis is it being assumed he did not get proper evaluation and treatment?

- - - Updated - - -

He hasn't received proper counseling.
That it appears he molested a five year old, and the circumstances of that molestation indicate he has issues.

-The parents did report the activity to the police so, if anything, it was the justice system that failed here. If he wasn't given proper legally mandated counseling, or whatever, how is that his fault?

Didn't they report it to a friend in the Police? Didn't Josh sue the state regarding their findings of the case?

When the legal system fucks up, especially when it is in regards to a minor, there shouldn't be some form of retroactive justice to make things right. If there is new evidence that he is abusing children, that obviously merits a through investigation. It may be prudent for the mother of his children to take those children to a councilor and make sure no new abuse is taking place (that is her responsibility). But until the point that new suspicious arise, I don't see any rational basis to make him pay for the past, regardless of how hypocritical his scummy parents may be and how wrong his past actions were. The time to have properly dealt with the situation is in the past. The past can not be undone.

The past can not be undone, but he can seek counseling to help to determine if he needs help.

The bolded part is the most important, along with help for his victims.

Where is the evidence that such help has not been received? Why are people assuming that no proper counseling and evaluation occurred? Especially now that we know that DHS was involved.

Because this is what is being reported. I know there's a link upthread as well to a different source:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...g-child-molester-josh-duggar-received-images/

That he got "counseling" from a bullshit outfit because of his parents does not exclude the possibility that he also received an evaluation from the authorities/qualified professionals, does it? The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That he got "counseling" from a bullshit outfit because of his parents does not exclude the possibility that he also received an evaluation from the authorities/qualified professionals, does it?

They haven't said otherwise in public and that is one of the biggest issues here.

 

[Axulus]

Where is the evidence that such help has not been received? Why are people assuming that no proper counseling and evaluation occurred? Especially now that we know that DHS was involved.

Why would you assume proper counseling occurred?

I didn't. You do understand the difference between questioning a claim and making the opposite claim, I presume?

Why would you assume that I assume proper counseling occurred?

 

[Axulus]

That he got "counseling" from a bullshit outfit because of his parents does not exclude the possibility that he also received an evaluation from the authorities/qualified professionals, does it?

They haven't said otherwise in public and that is one of the biggest issues here.

That's a good point. However, we do know the following:

DHS was involved. DHS is typically staffed with qualified professionals who routinely evaluate child abuse situations and can require evaluations and monitoring to prevent abuse.

DHS came to a decision that the Duggar's didn't like.

Josh Duggar initiated a law suit against DHS when he was 19. Knowing what we know about the Duggars, these type of conservative homeschooling Christian families typically think DHS is evil. Having lived with this family all his life, it is plausible that the lawsuit was initiated at the behest of his parents and also heavily influenced by his parent's brainwashing him to view DHS as evil.

 

[Ford]

I'm astonished the lengths Derec is going to "not defend" Josh.

I am astonished at the lengths people go to claim he molested a five year old when there is no evidence for that.

I'm not the least bit astonished by anything you've said.

There's really no question as to the fact that Duggar molested several of his sisters. He's copped to that. We don't know with 100 percent certainty which sisters he felt up, but he's admitted to the activity.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They haven't said otherwise in public and that is one of the biggest issues here.

That's a good point. However, we do know the following:

DHS was involved. DHS is typically staffed with qualified professionals who routinely evaluate child abuse situations and can require evaluations and monitoring to prevent abuse.

DHS came to a decision that the Duggar's didn't like.

Josh Duggar initiated a law suit against DHS when he was 19. Knowing what we know about the Duggars, these type of conservative homeschooling Christian families typically think DHS is evil. Having lived with this family all his life, it is plausible that the lawsuit was initiated at the behest of his parents and also heavily influenced by his parent's brainwashing him to view DHS as evil.

Let's just cross one more bridge. They wouldn't have sued if DHS didn't think he was still a threat.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So if he molested his 4 oldest sisters the biggest gap would have been to Jinger Nicole which is 5 years - not that small but not 10 years either.

One of the excuses for destroying the court records was that one of the victims is still under 18. The reported abuse began 13 years ago. That would make one of them five or younger.

Yup, you nailed it. It has to include the youngest.

 

[laughing dog]

Why would you assume proper counseling occurred?

I didn't. You do understand the difference between questioning a claim and making the opposite claim, I presume?

Why would you assume that I assume proper counseling occurred?

For the same reason you asked your question.

 

[Arctish]

The Washington Post has printed a timeline of the molestation allegations against Josh Duggar. It doesn't give the ages of the alleged victims.

I think the focus on the age of the youngest victim is a distraction from the overall issue here. Josh Duggar is alleged to have molested several of his sisters and another girl when he was a teenager. That's a pattern of sexual misconduct that hasn't been addressed outside of a closed circle of like-minded Christian fundamentalist with their own histories of sexual misconduct. The one act of outside intervention by DHS was blocked.

I don't think we should write the guy off forever; teenagers act on impulses and make poor decisions, and generally do things they wouldn't do as adults. But I do think this is cause for concern and a certain degree of censure, especially considering his very public positions on gender and family issues.

 

[Rhea]

When was the police report destroyed? Who made this "excuse" and where? Do you have a link? And I don't mean guesswork and conjecture by Gawker like posted previously.

I don't see a person claiming to be the one to publicly say it. It is being reported, but not the source:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cels-appearance-homeschooling-conference.html

One of his victims reportedly came forward and requested the document be expunged from public record.
The girl told a judge she feared her name would be released and she was still a minor. The judge agreed and signed off to have the report into the investigation destroyed.
Neither Duggar nor his father, a former state representative, returned calls seeking comment.

Of course, there is the fact in the report details that one of his victims was sitting in his lap as he read her a book. You're thinking that was, what the 12 yo? The 9yo? Which one do you think that refers to?