Justice warrior faceplant

[DrZoidberg]

So who came up with this brilliant plan?

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...ce-university-address-hit-by-student-walk-out

Mike Pence holds a speech about rising intollerance on college campuses. That's the moment a bunch of students get up and walk out. Thereby confirming what Mike Pence is saying. Well done, idiots. Scoring in your own goal.

Mike Pence shouldn't be hard to protest, since the guy is a total fuckwit with all manner of vile beliefs. They chose to protest the only belief he holds which isn't a problem.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

 

[laughing dog]

So who came up with this brilliant plan?

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...ce-university-address-hit-by-student-walk-out

Mike Pence holds a speech about rising intollerance on college campuses. That's the moment a bunch of students get up and walk out. Thereby confirming what Mike Pence is saying. Well done, idiots. Scoring in your own goal.

Mike Pence shouldn't be hard to protest, since the guy is a total fuckwit with all manner of vile beliefs. They chose to protest the only belief he holds which isn't a problem.

They were not protesting his belief about intolerance. According to the BBC report, "Student activist group We Stand For said the protest was against his policies which, they say, marginalised people for their religion, race or sexual orientation."

 

[DrZoidberg]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

They showed up for the speech. They showed up, only to leave. Why show up at all?

And they're at university. The place designed for having us confront uncomfortable beliefs

 

[DrZoidberg]

So who came up with this brilliant plan?

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...ce-university-address-hit-by-student-walk-out

Mike Pence holds a speech about rising intollerance on college campuses. That's the moment a bunch of students get up and walk out. Thereby confirming what Mike Pence is saying. Well done, idiots. Scoring in your own goal.

Mike Pence shouldn't be hard to protest, since the guy is a total fuckwit with all manner of vile beliefs. They chose to protest the only belief he holds which isn't a problem.

They were not protesting his belief about intolerance. According to the BBC report, "Student activist group We Stand For said the protest was against his policies which, they say, marginalised people for their religion, race or sexual orientation."

But tolerance goes both ways. If these people demonstrate they're intolerant why should the other side care?

 

[braces_for_impact]

They made a protest by waking out. They didn't prevent him from speaking, or deprive those that wanted to stay and listen the chance to do so. I think that's an important distinction.

 

[ronburgundy]

You're wrong on this one, Doc.

The real story is the fact that the University chose to ruin these students graduation ceremony by inviting such a bigot who himself is actually highly intolerant and opposed to free speech, science, all rational thought, and everything a public University should stand for. The protesters didn't shout Pence down and stop him from speaking. They chose not listen, and chose to let him and their University know that they don't appreciate using that venue to allow Pence to promote himself and his hateful views.

The dishonest content of his speech is irrelevant. He doesn't believe in tolerance or free speech at all. The fact that he doesn't like it when others are not forced to listen to Christian hatred doesn't qualify as caring about free speech. Free listening is equally important and really the other side of the same coin.

Had they attended a rally designed for Pence and shouted him down to prevent his speech, you'd have a point. And yes, sadly there are increasing number of idiots on the left you would and have do such things.

Personally, I think it would have been more effective if they loudly booed him when he was introduced and when he finished. That is perfectly, which cannot reasonable be viewed as any less acceptable than applauding him. But what they did was not in any fashion opposed to free speech. I realize the right will spin it that way, but blame the snowflakes on the right for that.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You're wrong on this one, Doc.

The real story is the fact that the University chose to ruin these students graduation ceremony by inviting such a bigot who himself is actually highly intolerant and opposed to free speech, science, all rational thought, and everything a public University should stand for. The protesters didn't shout Pence down and stop him from speaking. They chose not listen, and chose to let him and their University know that they don't appreciate using that venue to allow Pence to promote himself and his hateful views.

The dishonest content of his speech is irrelevant. He doesn't believe in tolerance or free speech at all. The fact that he doesn't like it when others are not forced to listen to Christian hatred doesn't qualify as caring about free speech. Free listening is equally important and really the other side of the same coin.

Had they attended a rally designed for Pence and shouted him down to prevent his speech, you'd have a point. And yes, sadly there are increasing number of idiots on the left you would and have do such things.

Personally, I think it would have been more effective if they loudly booed him when he was introduced and when he finished. That is perfectly, which cannot reasonable be viewed as any less acceptable than applauding him. But what they did was not in any fashion opposed to free speech. I realize the right will spin it that way, but blame the snowflakes on the right for that.

Aha.... it was a graduation ceremony. Ok, that's different. Total cunt move to invite a contentious person at all to something like that.

Also, inviting a person who symbolises anti-intellectualism and backwardness is hardly a good candidate to hold a graduation speech.

Thanks for enlightening me

 

[untermensche]

Right wing dictionary:

Justice warrior: Somebody who protests bigoted ignorant ideas.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

NM

 

[ronburgundy]

They were not protesting his belief about intolerance. According to the BBC report, "Student activist group We Stand For said the protest was against his policies which, they say, marginalised people for their religion, race or sexual orientation."

But tolerance goes both ways. If these people demonstrate they're intolerant why should the other side care?

I typed my response below before seeing your last post, but I am keeping it b/c its still useful to keep in mind that calls for "tolerance" don't really mean that "tolerance" in itself has inherently positive value. Such is the pitfall of moralistic platitudes.
----
Don't fall for the oldest con in the bigot's handbook. If you go down that rabbit hole, then it means that it is "intolerant" to walk away when your crazy uncle starts ranting about "the coloreds" again. Should people be open to hearing new ideas? Sure, but Pence has none and everyone on the planet knows that. All his ideas and values are the most vile ones of the darkest days of humanity.

There are countless things that no decent person should be "tolerant" of, and that includes views and policies that are intolerant of basic human and civil rights.

 

[dismal]

You're wrong on this one, Doc.

The real story is the fact that the University chose to ruin these students graduation ceremony by inviting such a bigot who himself is actually highly intolerant and opposed to free speech, science, all rational thought, and everything a public University should stand for. The protesters didn't shout Pence down and stop him from speaking. They chose not listen, and chose to let him and their University know that they don't appreciate using that venue to allow Pence to promote himself and his hateful views.

The dishonest content of his speech is irrelevant. He doesn't believe in tolerance or free speech at all. The fact that he doesn't like it when others are not forced to listen to Christian hatred doesn't qualify as caring about free speech. Free listening is equally important and really the other side of the same coin.

Had they attended a rally designed for Pence and shouted him down to prevent his speech, you'd have a point. And yes, sadly there are increasing number of idiots on the left you would and have do such things.

Personally, I think it would have been more effective if they loudly booed him when he was introduced and when he finished. That is perfectly, which cannot reasonable be viewed as any less acceptable than applauding him. But what they did was not in any fashion opposed to free speech. I realize the right will spin it that way, but blame the snowflakes on the right for that.

True story: a few years back I was at a graduation for a family member and the speaker was the head of Planned Parenthood. Putting aside the fact everyone in this thread would find it patently offensive that such a controversial person whose opinion would be so offensive to some was invited at all, a large topic of her speech was how important it was to protest and how she had unfurled a banner at her own graduation protesting something or other. At the time I thought it there were any karma in the world someone in the balcony would get up at that moment and raise a ruckus while unfurling a banner advocating 2nd amendment rights or somesuch. But, it didn't happen.

 

[braces_for_impact]

You're wrong on this one, Doc.

The real story is the fact that the University chose to ruin these students graduation ceremony by inviting such a bigot who himself is actually highly intolerant and opposed to free speech, science, all rational thought, and everything a public University should stand for. The protesters didn't shout Pence down and stop him from speaking. They chose not listen, and chose to let him and their University know that they don't appreciate using that venue to allow Pence to promote himself and his hateful views.

The dishonest content of his speech is irrelevant. He doesn't believe in tolerance or free speech at all. The fact that he doesn't like it when others are not forced to listen to Christian hatred doesn't qualify as caring about free speech. Free listening is equally important and really the other side of the same coin.

Had they attended a rally designed for Pence and shouted him down to prevent his speech, you'd have a point. And yes, sadly there are increasing number of idiots on the left you would and have do such things.

Personally, I think it would have been more effective if they loudly booed him when he was introduced and when he finished. That is perfectly, which cannot reasonable be viewed as any less acceptable than applauding him. But what they did was not in any fashion opposed to free speech. I realize the right will spin it that way, but blame the snowflakes on the right for that.

Aha.... it was a graduation ceremony. Ok, that's different. Total cunt move to invite a contentious person at all to something like that.

Also, inviting a person who symbolises anti-intellectualism and backwardness is hardly a good candidate to hold a graduation speech.

Thanks for enlightening me

That attitude on display right there gives me hope for the future. May we all be as open minded when the time comes. Well done sir.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So who came up with this brilliant plan?

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...ce-university-address-hit-by-student-walk-out

Mike Pence holds a speech about rising intollerance on college campuses. That's the moment a bunch of students get up and walk out. Thereby confirming what Mike Pence is saying. Well done, idiots. Scoring in your own goal.

Mike Pence shouldn't be hard to protest, since the guy is a total fuckwit with all manner of vile beliefs. They chose to protest the only belief he holds which isn't a problem.

What the fuck are you talking about?!

This is not a view Pence holds!

 

[LordKiran]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

When "If you don't want to hear what I have to say, just don't listen!" becomes "If you don't want to hear what I have to say, you're intolerant!"

 

[untermensche]

Pence is an unusually primitive and ignorant human being.

The fact that he is there shows the US to be seriously diseased.

He is a religious fundamentalist.

His only difference from ISIS is his clothing.

 

[ronburgundy]

You're wrong on this one, Doc.

The real story is the fact that the University chose to ruin these students graduation ceremony by inviting such a bigot who himself is actually highly intolerant and opposed to free speech, science, all rational thought, and everything a public University should stand for. The protesters didn't shout Pence down and stop him from speaking. They chose not listen, and chose to let him and their University know that they don't appreciate using that venue to allow Pence to promote himself and his hateful views.

The dishonest content of his speech is irrelevant. He doesn't believe in tolerance or free speech at all. The fact that he doesn't like it when others are not forced to listen to Christian hatred doesn't qualify as caring about free speech. Free listening is equally important and really the other side of the same coin.

Had they attended a rally designed for Pence and shouted him down to prevent his speech, you'd have a point. And yes, sadly there are increasing number of idiots on the left you would and have do such things.

Personally, I think it would have been more effective if they loudly booed him when he was introduced and when he finished. That is perfectly, which cannot reasonable be viewed as any less acceptable than applauding him. But what they did was not in any fashion opposed to free speech. I realize the right will spin it that way, but blame the snowflakes on the right for that.

True story: a few years back I was at a graduation for a family member and the speaker was the head of Planned Parenthood. Putting aside the fact everyone in this thread would find it patently offensive that such a controversial person whose opinion would be so offensive to some was invited at all, a large topic of her speech was how important it was to protest and how she had unfurled a banner at her own graduation protesting something or other. At the time I thought it there were any karma in the world someone in the balcony would get up at that moment and raise a ruckus while unfurling a banner advocating 2nd amendment rights or somesuch. But, it didn't happen.

For the record. I do NOT agree that "controversial" speakers should not be invited merely because some might not like their ideas. After all, the core ideas and principles that any public University should hold because they are central to all knowledge (e.g., reason, liberty) are controversial and opposed by many, including most Trump voters and those who oppose planned parenthood. The required content of most core college courses are also controversial to these people. They protest biology textbooks. So, a speaker not being universally acceptable should not be any kind of criteria. What matters is why they are objectionable to some and whether it is because they are anti-thetical to the Enlightenment principles behind public education.


Planned parenthood provides free and objectively/scientifically valid knowledge and education to the public, and provides charitable means for people to exercise basic human freedom of choice, and does nothing to impinge upon any principles that define the mission of any defensible University. Thus, I don't see a problem in such a speaker.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Oh yeah, the other interesting factoid about all this is that the school was what? Notre Dame. Hello?

 

[Derec]

Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

 

[untermensche]

Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

Pence's primitive and ignorant ideas are far more dangerous.

And far more worthy of disgust and ridicule.

I doubt you have one clue what those people believe or spoke about.