LA fires

[Loren Pechtel]

Just look at their equipment--hoses that fold flat. Think you could suck up water with one of those?

that's a dumb thing to say

Saying it's dumb doesn't address the point at all.

What I'm saying is that while it's possible to fight fire with seawater standard firefighting equipment is not capable of it.

Seawater has nothing to do with fire hose which are designed to work only with positive pressure.
That's a first. Second. You don't suck water through hose, you put your pump into the water.

The point is the normal land-based firefighters are working with equipment meant to work in a positive pressure environment. The fact that the ocean was right there does them no good, but some rabble-rouser was claiming it meant they were incompetent. And, as usual, said rabble-rouser got some people to believe him.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You realize fire trucks do not have the ability to suck up standing water?

Of course they do. Even my small town has pumps built in to it's fire engines. And they don't blindly trust the pressure in the mains to do the job.

They have pumps, but they expect positive input pressure and raise it. I've got one (way too small for firefighting) out in the garage. Does it's job fine but must be fed by a hose.

Yeah, equipment exists. In naval contexts. Doesn't mean the LA fire department has it.

Every port has them. (Long Beach) But probably not enough for a fire this big.

And the area was probably gone before they could have gotten there. If they could have even gotten close enough.

while it's possible to fight fire with seawater standard firefighting equipment is not capable of it.

Even my small town has pumps built in to it's fire engines. And they don't ask where the water came from.
Fighting the fire takes precedence over equipment maintenance concerns.

There comes a point where it would be a negative. Wreck your equipment, you can't fight tomorrow's fire.

Pre-positioning Navy and Coast Guard firefighting vessels every few miles along the US coastline...

Few fires ever need that many.

He didn't mean that seriously.

 

[unapologetic]

I suspect there wouldn't be enough trucks to span Malibu beach. And getting them between the fire and the water would be imposable if the wind was blowing that way. (which appears to be the case).

Now would be the time to invest in Malibu beach property.

 

[blastula]

Edison says encampment found near area where Eaton fire started; critics doubt it sparked fire

Southern California Edison discovered signs of an encampment about 300 yards from the spot where the Eaton fire is suspected to have started.

www.latimes.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Edison says encampment found near area where Eaton fire started; critics doubt it sparked fire

Southern California Edison discovered signs of an encampment about 300 yards from the spot where the Eaton fire is suspected to have started.

www.latimes.com

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And what are they supposed to do to prevent said arcing? High tension wires are inherently exposed and will fry anything that's too big and comes too close. I do not like this eternal quest for blaming the deep pockets for inherently hazardous things.

 

[blastula]

Edison says encampment found near area where Eaton fire started; critics doubt it sparked fire

Southern California Edison discovered signs of an encampment about 300 yards from the spot where the Eaton fire is suspected to have started.

www.latimes.com

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And what are they supposed to do to prevent said arcing? High tension wires are inherently exposed and will fry anything that's too big and comes too close. I do not like this eternal quest for blaming the deep pockets for inherently hazardous things.

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[ZiprHead]

Do people in Russia live in stone houses? I don't think they do, most can't afford it.

In Russia i's bricks and concrete. Mine is bricks.

Houses catch fire because it is natural to do so

Not if it's brick/concrete.

 

[Tigers!]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

 

[TSwizzle]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

The Palisades fires are out. There are wildfires in other areas.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

The Palisades area has been cleared up a great deal. As far as rebuilding is going, it is not going well. Despite insufferable prick Newsom’s proclamations about making rebuilding easier/fast tracked building permits issued are few and far between. Newsom celebrated the six month anniversary of the fires a few days ago and fucked off to Carolina (i think) to start is presidency campaign. The Marxist mayor of Los Angeles doesn’t care about the residents of the palisades or Altadena but was very quick to show up at McArthur park when ICE and the Feds showed up. It’s entirely possible that permit delays are deliberate.

 

[ZiprHead]

Despite insufferable prick Newsom’s

Apparently you are able to suffer under Newsom or you would have moved a long time ago. Therefore not "insufferable".

 

[barbos]

Do people in Russia live in stone houses? I don't think they do, most can't afford it.

In Russia i's bricks and concrete. Mine is bricks.

Houses catch fire because it is natural to do so

Not if it's brick/concrete.

Moscow must have burned down by now like Palisades, building permits are being sold, you should go to Moscow.

 

[bilby]

fast tracked building permits issued are few and far between

Well, after any kind of disaster it's a good idea not to let people build back in a way that simply re-creates the conditions for another similar disaster in the future.

Ensuring that that doesn't happen is, unfortunately, time-consuming.

 

[Politesse]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

Very little has been rebuilt.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

 

[TSwizzle]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Palisade homeowners will eventually be forced to sell their lots to developers and apartment blocks will be built. Some will be for "affordable housing". The Marxists in Sacramento are determined that suburbia be destroyed.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

There are plenty ways to reduce wildfire damages, like burying power lines for example.

 

[Politesse]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Palisade homeowners will eventually be forced to sell their lots to developers and apartment blocks will be built. Some will be for "affordable housing". The Marxists in Sacramento are determined that suburbia be destroyed.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

There are plenty ways to reduce wildfire damages, like burying power lines for example.

Such a perfect Republican! Your home nearly burns down and all you're worried about is

1. Finding someone to blame, dubiously
2. Keeping homes unaffordable

 

[TSwizzle]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Palisade homeowners will eventually be forced to sell their lots to developers and apartment blocks will be built. Some will be for "affordable housing". The Marxists in Sacramento are determined that suburbia be destroyed.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

There are plenty ways to reduce wildfire damages, like burying power lines for example.

Such a perfect Republican! Your home nearly burns down and all you're worried about is

My home did not nearly burn down. My home is nowhere near Pacific Palisades and was never in any danger from any of the fires in January.

 

[Politesse]

3. And quibbling over minor bullshit

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

The Palisades fires are out. There are wildfires in other areas.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

The Palisades area has been cleared up a great deal. As far as rebuilding is going, it is not going well. Despite insufferable prick Newsom’s proclamations about making rebuilding easier/fast tracked building permits issued are few and far between. Newsom celebrated the six month anniversary of the fires a few days ago and fucked off to Carolina (i think) to start is presidency campaign. The Marxist mayor of Los Angeles doesn’t care about the residents of the palisades or Altadena but was very quick to show up at McArthur park when ICE and the Feds showed up. It’s entirely possible that permit delays are deliberate.

How long should it take okay permits on 6,300 homes? I have to wait three weeks just to get a street opening permit in Cleveland.

 

[TSwizzle]

3. And quibbling over minor bullshit

What minor bullshit would that be?

 

[Politesse]

3. And quibbling over minor bullshit

What minor bullshit would that be?

Whether being five miles away counts as being "nowhere near" a disaster zone, for instance, when the real issue at hand is your casual disregard of the entire concept of human empathy such that keeping housing prices up to keep the wrong people out is a key concern of yours, when thousands of people in your area have just lost their homes.