LA fires

[TSwizzle]

3. And quibbling over minor bullshit

What minor bullshit would that be?

Whether being five miles away counts as being "nowhere near" a disaster zone,

I am correcting your idiotic statement about my home nearly burning down. It didn't nearly burn down because it was no where close to the Pacific Palisades fire.

for instance, when the real issue at hand is your casual disregard of the entire concept of human empathy such that keeping housing prices up to keep the wrong people out is a key concern of yours, when thousands of people in your area have just lost their homes.

Gibberish.

 

[Politesse]

Indeed.

 

[thebeave]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

Very little has been rebuilt.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

Its unlikely we'll ever see the end of catastrophic wildfires. Its a fantasy. But there are many ways to minimize the spread and intensity of wildfires. Regular control burns, thinning of forests, using responsible and sustainable logging practices, establishing and maintaining fire breaks, maintaining a defensible space (100') around homes, using fire resistant materials on structures. Its costly, especially in a heavily forested state like California, no doubt.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

Very little has been rebuilt.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

Its unlikely we'll ever see the end of catastrophic wildfires. Its a fantasy. But there are many ways to minimize the spread and intensity of wildfires. Regular control burns, thinning of forests, using responsible and sustainable logging practices, establishing and maintaining fire breaks, maintaining a defensible space (100') around homes, using fire resistant materials on structures. Its costly, especially in a heavily forested state like California, no doubt.

Tree culling will do a lot help prevent brush fires. Maybe if we don't allow rain in spring we can avoid brush fires altogether.

 

[robnisch]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

Very little has been rebuilt.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

Its unlikely we'll ever see the end of catastrophic wildfires. Its a fantasy. But there are many ways to minimize the spread and intensity of wildfires. Regular control burns, thinning of forests, using responsible and sustainable logging practices, establishing and maintaining fire breaks, maintaining a defensible space (100') around homes, using fire resistant materials on structures. Its costly, especially in a heavily forested state like California, no doubt.

Tree culling will do a lot help prevent brush fires. Maybe if we don't allow rain in spring we can avoid brush fires altogether.

Goats?

 

[Politesse]

Nothing on this thread for a while now.
I presume the fires are out now.

How is the rebuilding, rezoning, trying to prevent/reduce such fires in the future going?

Rezoning? Ha! If someone owns a piece of the Palisades, they aren't giving it up, even if it is patch of ashy ground.

Very little has been rebuilt.

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

Its unlikely we'll ever see the end of catastrophic wildfires. Its a fantasy. But there are many ways to minimize the spread and intensity of wildfires. Regular control burns, thinning of forests, using responsible and sustainable logging practices, establishing and maintaining fire breaks, maintaining a defensible space (100') around homes, using fire resistant materials on structures. Its costly, especially in a heavily forested state like California, no doubt.

Tree culling will do a lot help prevent brush fires. Maybe if we don't allow rain in spring we can avoid brush fires altogether.

Goats?

We use them!

 

[Tigers!]

If anyone knew how to prevent catastrophic wildfires, other than by the means we already employ, we would. It's a wealthy part of the world.

There are plenty ways to reduce wildfire damages, like burying power lines for example.

That is not as silly as it sounds.
Some of the damage from the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 in Victoria were caused by above ground power lines.
The Royal commission into the fires recommended more intensive use of underground running of lines.

Is expensive but cheaper than the results of the fires.

 

[Tigers!]

I really did not want the sniping at each other as a result of my query. Just some updates from those closer to it.

 

[bilby]

I really did not want the sniping at each other as a result of my query. Just some updates from those closer to it.

Welcome to the Internet; I hope you are enjoying your first day here, and won't allow our traditional behaviours to put you off too much.

 

[Tigers!]

I really did not want the sniping at each other as a result of my query. Just some updates from those closer to it.

Welcome to the Internet; I hope you are enjoying your first day here, and won't allow our traditional behaviours to put you off too much.

Yes I know. Desiring a little civility is so pre-TCP/IP.

Good job I have been around long enough to know the difference.

 

[Politesse]

If you were expecting Californians to be serene about the wildfire thing, you clearly have not met very many of us. A people sober of disposition, we are not.

 

[TSwizzle]

There are plenty ways to reduce wildfire damages, like burying power lines for example.

That is not as silly as it sounds.
Some of the damage from the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 in Victoria were caused by above ground power lines.
The Royal commission into the fires recommended more intensive use of underground running of lines.

Is expensive but cheaper than the results of the fires.

I don't think anybody thinks it is a silly idea to bury the power lines. It has been discussed for years, particularly after a wildfire event. The power companies, well primarily PG&E has been to blame for starting fires a few times. I think PG&E started shutting people's power off when it gets really windy.

Pacific Gas & Electric has agreed to pay more than $55 million to avoid criminal prosecution for two major wildfires started by aging Northern California power lines belonging to the nation’s largest utility, prosecutors announced Monday. PG&E does not admit wrongdoing in the two settlements reached with prosecutors for last year’s Dixie Fire — one of the biggest wildfires in California’s history — and the 2019 Kincade Fire in Sonoma County. The deals expedite damage payments to the hundreds of people whose homes were destroyed.

News from 2022

 

[robnisch]

Where I live there is still some of the camas' savanna eco system that the native used for thousands of years. They would do controlled burns and plant camas Lillys. The old oak trees were not affected by the fires.

Legacy of Indigenous stewardship of camas dates back more than 3,500 years, OSU study finds | Newsroom

CORVALLIS, Ore. — An Oregon State University study found evidence that Indigenous groups in the Pacific Northwest were intentionally harvesting edible camas bulbs at optimal stages of the plant’s maturation as far back as 3,500 years ago. The findings contribute to the growing body of research...

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