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I really agree with this guy's analysis, but the best part is when he takes apart those idiotic criticisms.
Necessary for Poe's character arc (and to a lesser extent, Finn and Rose's)From a non-misogynist POV regarding The Last Jedi. Honestly, Star Wars works better if you just treat it like Twilight and accept that it is more of a kids movie than an adults movie... and you have the Rifftrax for it.
The Good
Pretty much everything involving both Rei and Kylo, with their character development.
Stayed within the lines regarding the long distance communication.
Rose!
Was its own movie instead of another remake.
The Bad
The entire '20 mph' spaceship chase scene plot line.
Addressed in the above video.The super hacker search that happens to find another super hacker.
Acknowledged as a problem in the above video as it creates narrative dissonance with Holdo's sacrifice. Why was her sacrifice good, but Finn's sacrifice bad? It was good in what it said about the Resistance and why anyone should bother joining the rebellion at all, it was good from the standpoint of Finn and Rose's character arcs, but it did create narrative/thematic dissonance with Holdo's story.Rose needlessly saving Jar Jar Finn's life!
No it wasn't. A viable and completely sensical plot line could have been used to give Poe an arc. Also, Poe is an out of control idiot that doesn't learn.Necessary for Poe's character arc (and to a lesser extent, Finn and Rose's)
I don't have time to watch videos like this. The Super Hacker search was a poorly scripted. You have the task, find a super hacker. You send the only people available to do it, but they are completely over their head. So the script writers do the right thing, and they can't find the person, don't even come remotely close. [Rom]BUUUUUUUUUUT[/Rom] what do we have here? Another guy that can hack?! Awesome! Problem solved! Sure, completely not viable, but we wrote ourselves into a needless corner so it'll have to do.Addressed in the above video.
No, as Finn is one of the worst characters in the Star Wars franchise. Granted, he probably does well with the kids, hence my opening comment, but the character is completely cliche and hopeless.Acknowledged as a problem in the above video as it creates narrative dissonance with Holdo's sacrifice.Rose needlessly saving Jar Jar Finn's life!
See, I don't get that. There s no reason for a Rose / Finn thing here. They hardly know each other, and Rose knows that Finn tried to runaway, something we know Rose detests. Especially after losing her sister in one of the most stupid attack scenes I've ever seen, and as a result Poe should have been executed.Why was her sacrifice good, but Finn's sacrifice bad? It was good in what it said about the Resistance and why anyone should bother joining the rebellion at all, it was good from the standpoint of Finn and Rose's character arcs, but it did create narrative/thematic dissonance with Holdo's story.
Also, everything in that casino was way too Phantom Menace.
Also, if that whole hyperspace ramming of ships is actually a thing, why not deal with Star Destroyers and Death Stars by buying a bunch of old junkers and blasting a few dozen at each of them on autopilot instead of making it look like having the Empire and First Order spend more than $20 for a battleship is a good investment? I find it hard to accept both that this is a thing and that this is the first time anyone has tried it.
But wouldn't the force of such an impact destroy the solar system they were in?Also, everything in that casino was way too Phantom Menace.
Also, if that whole hyperspace ramming of ships is actually a thing, why not deal with Star Destroyers and Death Stars by buying a bunch of old junkers and blasting a few dozen at each of them on autopilot instead of making it look like having the Empire and First Order spend more than $20 for a battleship is a good investment? I find it hard to accept both that this is a thing and that this is the first time anyone has tried it.
Yup. If ramming is a viable means of taking out both ships big ships will be very careful in dealing with smaller ships and will not get close enough to be rammed.
But wouldn't the force of such an impact destroy the solar system they were in?
But wouldn't the force of such an impact destroy the solar system they were in?
Pretty much. It does also raise other questions like "Why build the Death Star?". If your ship is still physically in the universe while traveling in hyperspace, then ramming that ship into a planet at relativistic speeds would obliterate the planet even if your ship is rather small. If it's not physically in the universe, then you can't ram Star Destroyers with it.
As a very limited fan of the Star Wars movies, let me speak as an outsider with no dog in this fight. All the movies are short on substance but pretty good on visuals. It is a kid's movie line. Space cowboys, not much more. They have a broad appeal and make lots of money, but no one should really care about them to the point of getting mad.
I hated all the star wars movies. Hate the plots, hate the characters.
They're just swords and sorcery or knights in armour with different swords an bigger horses.
I hated all the star wars movies. Hate the plots, hate the characters.
They're just swords and sorcery or knights in armour with different swords an bigger horses.
As a very limited fan of the Star Wars movies, let me speak as an outsider with no dog in this fight. All the movies are short on substance but pretty good on visuals. It is a kid's movie line. Space cowboys, not much more. They have a broad appeal and make lots of money, but no one should really care about them to the point of getting mad.
I'm kind of the opposite of you. While I haven't got into the "extended universe" (the novels, animated shows, etc.) I am a fan of the movies going back to the originals. Are they kids movies? Well I was a kid when I saw them when they debuted (got the toys, and even the bed sheets), and they appealed to me, so I guess that's fair. Lucas was trying to capture the sense of wonder and imagination he had as a kid watching serials, and update it with state of the art special effects.
And it worked. Spectacularly so. It is still fun to go back and watch those movies, because they were so entertaining (even with the changes Lucas felt he had to make).
The prequels IMO failed in part because they weren't about trying to capture that wonder and imagination Lucas had as a kid watching serials, but rather him trying to recapture the magic of his own movies. He was too wrapped up in revisiting his own vision.
These new ones are one step further removed from the appeal of the originals. They're trying to make movies that try to recapture that magic, but like a copy of an old VHS tape the quality degrades the more copies you make. The Force Awakens is a copy of a copy, and The Last Jedi is a copy of a copy of a copy.
For me (and this is an unpopular opinion among fans) I think Rogue One is the best of the new films. It looks and feels like the originals, but tells a new story we didn't know.