Lawsuits against God

[ideologyhunter]

Wikipedia has a short, entertaining article on 'Lawsuits against supernatural beings', which details court cases brought against the Christian god, Satan, and various Hindu deities.
My favorite dates from 2008, in Nebraska, where Ernie Chambers, a state senator(!) sued God, seeking "a permanent injunction against God's harmful activities." (I'd like to sue "him" for various parts of his creation.) Chambers actually got a court date to lay out his case. The judge told him that God "could not be properly notified, not having a fixed address." (Don't the preachers tell us he's literally everywhere? You could leave a summons in Burger King, or in a pine tree, or flush it down your toilet, and God would know.) Chambers argued: "The court acknowledges the existence of God. A consequence of that acknowledgement is a recognition of God's omniscience. Since God knows everything, God has notice of this lawsuit."
The case was dismissed. This account left me wondering if Chambers had already vacated his state senate seat, or was planning to. Suing deities can't bring you many votes out on the Great Plains.

 

[bilby]

Suing deities can't bring you many votes out on the Great Plains.

I bet it would if you won.

 

[DBT]

Bad workmanship? Lacking due care and attention? Safety issues? Poor design?

 

[WAB]

Bad workmanship? Lacking due care and attention? Safety issues? Poor design?

Yup. And all with no help or input from a god. Nature's a dick all on its own.

 

[ideologyhunter]

"The zipper concept would have come in so handy during childbirth." -Lily Tomlin

 

[Elixir]

Suing deities can't bring you many votes out on the Great Plains.

I dunno. Having someone to blame for stuff like pestilence and drought holds considerable appeal.

 

[Learner]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

 

[DBT]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

 

[unapologetic]

Maybe Chambers should have persued the case as a class action.

 

[Learner]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

So, to clarify the perspective angle you're trying to illustrate here...

...can you tell the court if this man who was to be punished, knew and understood the law of the Sabbath..or he was unaware of the law on the Sabbath?


Harsh measures for harsh times.was quite understood in those times.It was the norm.

 

[DBT]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

So, to clarify the perspective angle you're trying to illustrate here...

...can you tell the court if this man who was to be punished, knew and understood the law of the Sabbath..or he was unaware of the law on the Sabbath?


Harsh measures for harsh times.was quite understood in those times.It was the norm.

Isn't God supposed to represent divine values, which presumably represents a higher standard than human morals at any given time or place?

Yet we have God imposing the death penalty for what is a mere transgression.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Never, NEVER touch something of God's if it is starting to tip over. You'll get more divine attention than you can handle.

 

[Learner]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

So, to clarify the perspective angle you're trying to illustrate here...

...can you tell the court if this man who was to be punished, knew and understood the law of the Sabbath..or he was unaware of the law on the Sabbath?


Harsh measures for harsh times.was quite understood in those times.It was the norm.

Isn't God supposed to represent divine values, which presumably represents a higher standard than human morals at any given time or place?

You're not seeing it that way, huh?

Yet we have God imposing the death penalty for what is a mere transgression.

So you are acknowledging the man from those times, quite understood the consequences of breaking the Sabbath?

 

[ideologyhunter]

So why not stone to death your local WalMart clerk who works on the Sabbath?
I guess situation ethics kicks in, at that point. Old God = major shithead.

 

[DBT]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

So, to clarify the perspective angle you're trying to illustrate here...

...can you tell the court if this man who was to be punished, knew and understood the law of the Sabbath..or he was unaware of the law on the Sabbath?


Harsh measures for harsh times.was quite understood in those times.It was the norm.

Isn't God supposed to represent divine values, which presumably represents a higher standard than human morals at any given time or place?

You're not seeing it that way, huh?

Yet we have God imposing the death penalty for what is a mere transgression.

So you are acknowledging the man from those times, quite understood the consequences of breaking the Sabbath?

Where does it indicate that he did? His people did not know what to do with him, so turned to God for guidance.

Think about that.

 

[Learner]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

So, to clarify the perspective angle you're trying to illustrate here...

...can you tell the court if this man who was to be punished, knew and understood the law of the Sabbath..or he was unaware of the law on the Sabbath?


Harsh measures for harsh times.was quite understood in those times.It was the norm.

Isn't God supposed to represent divine values, which presumably represents a higher standard than human morals at any given time or place?

You're not seeing it that way, huh?

Yet we have God imposing the death penalty for what is a mere transgression.

So you are acknowledging the man from those times, quite understood the consequences of breaking the Sabbath?

Where does it indicate that he did? His people did not know what to do with him, so turned to God for guidance.

Think about that.

So, are you saying then, the man didn't know about the Sabbath law?

I'm thinking ...you'll have to state clearly here, what it is you are understanding about the particular relating texts.

 

[DBT]

I think it would be quite difficult to appoint a judge for lawsuits being made up made against the biblical God. Appointing judges for lawsuit cases against others gods you could get away with, but not with the God of the bible ...

....since he would know all the sins that everyone has committed. Which reminds me now, of when Jesus said to the Jews who were about to stone a woman for adultery. Jesus said to them, "those among you who are without sin, cast the first stone", which no one did.

Yet we have the story of God ordering a man to be killed by stoning because he had been gathering sticks on a Sabbath.

So, to clarify the perspective angle you're trying to illustrate here...

...can you tell the court if this man who was to be punished, knew and understood the law of the Sabbath..or he was unaware of the law on the Sabbath?


Harsh measures for harsh times.was quite understood in those times.It was the norm.

Isn't God supposed to represent divine values, which presumably represents a higher standard than human morals at any given time or place?

You're not seeing it that way, huh?

Yet we have God imposing the death penalty for what is a mere transgression.

So you are acknowledging the man from those times, quite understood the consequences of breaking the Sabbath?

Where does it indicate that he did? His people did not know what to do with him, so turned to God for guidance.

Think about that.

So, are you saying then, the man didn't know about the Sabbath law?

I'm thinking ...you'll have to state clearly here, what it is you are understanding about the particular relating texts.

The issue isn't about whether the man knew there was a death penalty for working on a Sabbath - gathering sticks for his fire - but about the moral standards of a God that would demand it.

 

[Learner]

So why not stone to death your local WalMart clerk who works on the Sabbath?

Perhaps this will help you and DBT grasp the conceptual flaws of your bible readings.

For instance: Would that WallMart clerk have declared his side of the covenant - dedicating himself to God by abiding to the laws, such as the law on the Sabbath...like the Israelites?

Think about this in contrast...
... the man will escape that stoning ordeal, simply because, he just wasn't around then, being among the long-gone ancient Israelites, who were under the shadow of God.

Since then as the order goes...
...the humble Walmart clerk is in the era of Jesus, so to speak, i.e. those who are without sin,cast the first stone etc.& etc..
The humble Walmart clerk works on Sundays without fear

(I too work on Sundays even as a Christian, giving some of my time as a care-worker for the elderly. Aye ..you can do good things on the Sabbath according to Jesus).

 

[ideologyhunter]

If a law would be crazy now -- to take a man's life, in the most violent manner possible -- over a religious law, exacting the ultimate punishment for picking up firewood -- it was crazy then. It of course is part of a long list of bizarre/brutal/unloving laws and teachings in the Bible. Stoning to death a new bride who can't prove her virginity is one of the nastiest (and clearly shows that "God" is not our creator, since he didn't understand female anatomy.)
I'm in agreement with this quote from Robert G. Ingersoll:
"Jehovah was a believer in slavery. This is enough. Why should any civilized man worship him?...He believed that man could become the property of man -- that it was right for his chosen people to deal in human flesh -- to buy and sell mothers and babes. He taught that the captives were the property of the captors and directed his chosen people to kill, to enslave, or to pollute."
(Ingersoll means rape by 'pollute', but was writing in the 19th Century.)
No deity conceived of these horrible teachings. They have man's grimy fingerprints all over them.

 

[WAB]

Exactly. No deity involved.