Making abortion legal only for rape and incest will make rape and incest claims increase?

[repoman]

Imagine women having to give a police report about a rape that didn't happen and giving a description and then having some poor shmucks picked up by the cops.

What a joke this topic and the republicans are.

Why didn't they hammer down abortion more during the 2007-8 window?

Just wanna keep the wedge issue alive.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Well, if MY choice was a back-alley surgery or an actual doctor while some random schmuck paying for the crimes of our Republican Leaders, i can only hope the guy the police harass will be a Republican.

Maybe i'd make sure to mention he was wearing a 'Trump! For America!' t-shirt during the assault?
Or a Cruz button on his rape-shirt?

 

[RavenSky]

Well, if MY choice was a back-alley surgery or an actual doctor while some random schmuck paying for the crimes of our Republican Leaders, i can only hope the guy the police harass will be a Republican.

Maybe i'd make sure to mention he was wearing a 'Trump! For America!' t-shirt during the assault?
Or a Cruz button on his rape-shirt?

I would just make sure my description of the "rapist" matched one of the Republican politicians voting to make abortion illegal.

 

[iolo]

It is a great pity that American elections are leading the way in a huge retreat from serious politics (how we are to organise the economy and the political system) into 'cultural' or religious opinions about matters that concern only a minority, upon whose lives the uninformed mass wish to enforce their own prejudices.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It is a great pity that American elections are leading the way in a huge retreat from serious politics (how we are to organise the economy and the political system) into 'cultural' or religious opinions about matters that concern a only minority, upon whose lives the uninformed mass wish to enforce their own prejudices.

Unfortunately that's what happens when a party concentrates on holding power and keeping the status quo in the face of a changing world.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Imagine women having to give a police report about a rape that didn't happen and giving a description and then having some poor shmucks picked up by the cops.

What a joke this topic and the republicans are.

Why didn't they hammer down abortion more during the 2007-8 window?

Just wanna keep the wedge issue alive.

There are two issues here. Rape and abortion. It's not clear what you mean by a woman 'having to give a statement about a rape that did not happen.'
There are different views on abortion but our laws on this allows the woman to make the choice on this as she has to carry the baby for 9 months. Some may disagree but current laws are not likely to be simply overturned overnight
It also provides that abortion cannot normally take place once the baby reaches foetal viability.

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It is a great pity that American elections are leading the way in a huge retreat from serious politics (how we are to organise the economy and the political system) into 'cultural' or religious opinions about matters that concern a only minority, upon whose lives the uninformed mass wish to enforce their own prejudices.

Unfortunately that is what we have in a democracy. The majority and the minority wants their way and are permitted platforms for this. The electorate can decide.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Unfortunately, many women do not feel safe reporting a rape and they go underreported.

 

[iolo]

Unfortunately that is what we have in a democracy. The majority and the minority wants their way and are permitted platforms for this. The electorate can decide.

I think it is, rather, the result of a decision, many years ago now, that only one system was permissible, and that there would be serious penalties (in job possibilities and the like) for anyone who questioned it. Isn't the Trump phenomenon fuelled by the lack of economic advance by blue-collar workers, and will any of Mr Trump's policies do anything for that?

 

[Keith&Co.]

It's not clear what you mean by a woman 'having to give a statement about a rape that did not happen.'

It's quite clear.


If you're on a playground handing out free ice cream, but onlyto the kids who like Marvel, then the kids with Batman and Superman t-shirts will swear to you that they love Spiderman. Whatever it takes to get the ice cream.


If choice is taken away and the only time abortions will be legally allowed is if the conception involves rape or incest, then a woman who would choose to terminate her pregnancy will be reduced to either inventing a tale of incest or inventing a tale of rape.

 

[Harry Bosch]

It is a great pity that American elections are leading the way in a huge retreat from serious politics (how we are to organise the economy and the political system) into 'cultural' or religious opinions about matters that concern only a minority, upon whose lives the uninformed mass wish to enforce their own prejudices.

I think that a woman's right to a safe and legal abortion when needed is a very serious issue.

 

[Bronzeage]

Imagine women having to give a police report about a rape that didn't happen and giving a description and then having some poor shmucks picked up by the cops.

What a joke this topic and the republicans are.

Why didn't they hammer down abortion more during the 2007-8 window?

Just wanna keep the wedge issue alive.

In this case, the wedge is between the GOP and every woman voter.

Rules are easy to make and difficult to enforce. The practical aspects of a "rape or incest only" abortion law are staggering. How do you do this. Is her word actually good enough? If not, whose word do we take? Do we have to have a police lieutenant sign off, or will a sergeant do? Are we going to have local abortion committees(sort of like draft boards), who hear individual cases? Count me out of that duty.

It means several thousand different standards across the country, which determine who can or cannot obtain an abortion.

Whatever the make up of the Supreme Court might be, conservatives and liberal Justices will have no trouble throwing out a law which inherently guarantees unequal protection under the law.

 

[Malintent]

It is a great pity that American elections are leading the way in a huge retreat from serious politics (how we are to organise the economy and the political system) into 'cultural' or religious opinions about matters that concern only a minority, upon whose lives the uninformed mass wish to enforce their own prejudices.

I think that a woman's right to a safe and legal abortion when needed is a very serious issue.

If such access was unavailable then that would certainly be a very serious issue. Where in the United States is this a problem TODAY?

No where.

What represents an actual, serious threat to this availability?

Nothing.

That is why this is being called a 'retreat from serious politics'.. because it is... there is no serious threat to it. It is just a political talking point.

 

[Malintent]

It's not clear what you mean by a woman 'having to give a statement about a rape that did not happen.'

It's quite clear.


If you're on a playground handing out free ice cream, but onlyto the kids who like Marvel, then the kids with Batman and Superman t-shirts will swear to you that they love Spiderman. Whatever it takes to get the ice cream.


If choice is taken away and the only time abortions will be legally allowed is if the conception involves rape or incest, then a woman who would choose to terminate her pregnancy will be reduced to either inventing a tale of incest or inventing a tale of rape.

I'm not too thrilled with the analogy (comparing to abortion services to ice cream service to children), but when you have prohibition of something that the public wants, you create a black market. When you lift that prohibition for only a category of people, that category magically grows. Just look at the states that have implemented medicinal marijuana... all of a sudden half the state has irritable bowl syndrome or whatever.

 

[Bronzeage]

I think that a woman's right to a safe and legal abortion when needed is a very serious issue.

If such access was unavailable then that would certainly be a very serious issue. Where in the United States is this a problem TODAY?

No where.

What represents an actual, serious threat to this availability?

Nothing.

That is why this is being called a 'retreat from serious politics'.. because it is... there is no serious threat to it. It is just a political talking point.

I live in the largest city in my state(give or take a few thousand people). A legal abortion is no longer available in this city, because of the "admitting privileges" rule. Does this qualify as a problem?

 

[Harry Bosch]

I think that a woman's right to a safe and legal abortion when needed is a very serious issue.

If such access was unavailable then that would certainly be a very serious issue. Where in the United States is this a problem TODAY?

No where.

What represents an actual, serious threat to this availability?

Nothing.

That is why this is being called a 'retreat from serious politics'.. because it is... there is no serious threat to it. It is just a political talking point.

This is false. There are large swaths of the US where getting a legal abortion is very difficult. Regardless, the supreme court has a bare majority that currently support abortion rights. A couple new justices could swing it the other way very quickly.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I can't understand the logic of it being legal for rape and incest but illegal otherwise. Either the unborn is viewed as our equal or isn't. If it is, then this would mean punishing an innocent for what somebody else did.

 

[Malintent]

If such access was unavailable then that would certainly be a very serious issue. Where in the United States is this a problem TODAY?

No where.

What represents an actual, serious threat to this availability?

Nothing.

That is why this is being called a 'retreat from serious politics'.. because it is... there is no serious threat to it. It is just a political talking point.

I live in the largest city in my state(give or take a few thousand people). A legal abortion is no longer available in this city, because of the "admitting privileges" rule. Does this qualify as a problem?

If it represented more than a disenfranchising of a small subset of people then it would be a huge problem, yes. My understanding was that this was a technical issue with doctors being required (for safety reasons) to be affiliated with a hospital. the effect was eliminating the ability to have 'abortion clinics' that are run by doctors that do not have an affiliation with a hospital. So it's not that it is impossible to get a legal abortion, but the requirements for a facility to provide the service were increased for safety of the patient.

Is that not the case.. am I totally confused?

 

[Malintent]

If such access was unavailable then that would certainly be a very serious issue. Where in the United States is this a problem TODAY?

No where.

What represents an actual, serious threat to this availability?

Nothing.

That is why this is being called a 'retreat from serious politics'.. because it is... there is no serious threat to it. It is just a political talking point.

This is false. There are large swaths of the US where getting a legal abortion is very difficult. Regardless, the supreme court has a bare majority that currently support abortion rights. A couple new justices could swing it the other way very quickly.

Difficult how?

I do not intend to burry my head in the sand and just claim all is well with the world.. I just am not aware of where and what the problem is TODAY (not what some assholes are talking about wanting to implement - and never will)...

 

[Derec]

Imagine women having to give a police report about a rape that didn't happen and giving a description and then having some poor shmucks picked up by the cops.

"Having to"?

That said, the rape and incest exceptions are logically ridiculous. Either the fetus is considered a human person, in which case killing them should not be contingent of their parentage and circumstances of conception or they are not considered a human person, in which case also killing it should not be contingent on its parentage and circumstances of conception.

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I would just make sure my description of the "rapist" matched one of the Republican politicians voting to make abortion illegal.

Filing a false report is a crime. I thought advocating illegal activity was against TF rules.

 

[Bronzeage]

I live in the largest city in my state(give or take a few thousand people). A legal abortion is no longer available in this city, because of the "admitting privileges" rule. Does this qualify as a problem?

If it represented more than a disenfranchising of a small subset of people then it would be a huge problem, yes. My understanding was that this was a technical issue with doctors being required (for safety reasons) to be affiliated with a hospital. the effect was eliminating the ability to have 'abortion clinics' that are run by doctors that do not have an affiliation with a hospital. So it's not that it is impossible to get a legal abortion, but the requirements for a facility to provide the service were increased for safety of the patient.

Is that not the case.. am I totally confused?

Your degree of confusion is not certain.

What I said was, a legal abortion is not available in my city. Whatever the intention of this new law may have been, the practical effect has been to eliminate legal abortions in this city.

No one is confused about that.