"Man Gives Birth!" Progressive or just Plain Stupid? (Trans Men)

[Half-Life]

And if she tells you when she grows up that you were mistaken to do so, you accept that correction and move on. Unless you're a total arsehole.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!" Would you now go around and say, "Wow, there's no more white people in the U.S.!"

Of course you wouldn't. you would still know they are white but delusional. Would you support people changing their skin color if they feel a different color?

Let's see if you're still saying, "it's no big deal, Half!" People wear blackface and you guys foam at the mouth. "But, it's just a skin color! Why get triggered?"

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!"

Reparations would suddenly become legislatively feasible.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

And if she tells you when she grows up that you were mistaken to do so, you accept that correction and move on. Unless you're a total arsehole.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!" Would you now go around and say, "Wow, there's no more white people in the U.S.!"

Of course you wouldn't. you would still know they are white but delusional. Would you support people changing their skin color if they feel a different color?

Let's see if you're still saying, "it's no big deal, Half!" People wear blackface and you guys foam at the mouth. "But, it's just a skin color! Why get triggered?"

We have pretty much said all black males are thugs so that "the law" may murder them in the streets with impunity and/or mass incarcerate them and lease out their labor to corporations. Slavery is legal once "convicted".

 

[bilby]

And if she tells you when she grows up that you were mistaken to do so, you accept that correction and move on. Unless you're a total arsehole.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!" Would you now go around and say, "Wow, there's no more white people in the U.S.!"

Of course you wouldn't. you would still know they are white but delusional. Would you support people changing their skin color if they feel a different color?

Let's see if you're still saying, "it's no big deal, Half!" People wear blackface and you guys foam at the mouth. "But, it's just a skin color! Why get triggered?"

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

And if she tells you when she grows up that you were mistaken to do so, you accept that correction and move on. Unless you're a total arsehole.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!" Would you now go around and say, "Wow, there's no more white people in the U.S.!"

Of course you wouldn't. you would still know they are white but delusional. Would you support people changing their skin color if they feel a different color?

Let's see if you're still saying, "it's no big deal, Half!" People wear blackface and you guys foam at the mouth. "But, it's just a skin color! Why get triggered?"

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

Well gee, how we gonna prop up a divide and conquer paradigm with a perceptual reality like that?!?!?!?

 

[Half-Life]

We have pretty much said all black males are thugs so that "the law" may murder them in the streets with impunity and/or mass incarcerate them and lease out their labor to corporations. Slavery is legal once "convicted".

87% of blacks are peaceful. But 13% of blacks commit 50% of the crime. That's why a lot of blacks are arrested. When such a small fraction of them are committing half the crime in the United States, it only makes sense they would be overrepresented in the prison system.

I'm sure in Poland the majority of people arrested for crimes are white. Does that make Poland racist against whites?

 

[Half-Life]

And if she tells you when she grows up that you were mistaken to do so, you accept that correction and move on. Unless you're a total arsehole.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!" Would you now go around and say, "Wow, there's no more white people in the U.S.!"

Of course you wouldn't. you would still know they are white but delusional. Would you support people changing their skin color if they feel a different color?

Let's see if you're still saying, "it's no big deal, Half!" People wear blackface and you guys foam at the mouth. "But, it's just a skin color! Why get triggered?"

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

There are different shades of white and different shades of black. Obama is not as black as someone from the heart of Africa and I am not as white as someone from Ireland. But, they are still skin colors.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

We have pretty much said all black males are thugs so that "the law" may murder them in the streets with impunity and/or mass incarcerate them and lease out their labor to corporations. Slavery is legal once "convicted".

87% of blacks are peaceful. But 13% of blacks commit 50% of the crime. That's why a lot of blacks are arrested. When such a small fraction of them are committing half the crime in the United States, it only makes sense they would be overrepresented in the prison system.

I'm sure in Poland the majority of people arrested for crimes are white. Does that make Poland racist against whites?

Oh how cute. Read up on drug laws and deferential enforcement hon. And cite your numbers, you are not to be believed at face value. Your society engages in slavery. Still.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

There are different shades of white and different shades of black. Obama is not as black as someone from the heart of Africa and I am not as white as someone from Ireland. But, they are still skin colors.

You have no idea who in Ireland is more or less "white" than you are, get real. As for no "non-pure" black folk in Africa? You're nuts.

 

[bilby]

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

There are different shades of white and different shades of black. Obama is not as black as someone from the heart of Africa and I am not as white as someone from Ireland. But, they are still skin colors.

And the black/white dichotomy is still an approximation of reality, not reality itself.

As is the man/woman dichotomy.

These simplistic approximations are adequate for some purposes. But they are not a complete statement of the nature of the real world, and any fool who declares that there are no exceptions or grey areas is going to come across as a total arsehole to those people who fall into those grey areas. Such individuals are a fairly small proportion of the population; But in populations of hundreds of millions, or even billions, they are nevertheless fairly numerous, and cannot reasonably be disregarded.

Simplicity is for simpletons. Reality is complex, and is under no obligation to be easy for you to comprehend.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

There are different shades of white and different shades of black. Obama is not as black as someone from the heart of Africa and I am not as white as someone from Ireland. But, they are still skin colors.

And the black/white dichotomy is still an approximation of reality, not reality itself.

As is the man/woman dichotomy.

These simplistic approximations are adequate for some purposes. But they are not a complete statement of the nature of the real world, and any fool who declares that there are no exceptions or grey areas is going to come across as a total arsehole to those people who fall into those grey areas. Such individuals are a fairly small proportion of the population; But in populations of hundreds of millions, or even billions, they are nevertheless fairly numerous, and cannot reasonably be disregarded.

Simplicity is for simpletons. Reality is complex, and is under no obligation to be easy for you to comprehend.

If he cannot grasp it, it must be fake-n-shit.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Ask "Jessica" Yaniv's legal victims about that.

I have no idea who that is, but presumably if they are legal victims, there was some unlawful action involved, and I covered that in my post.

Jessica Yaniv is a trans-woman predator who demanded a salon wax his balls and they said no and he sued for discrimination. He was also trying to have a topless party with young girls.

 

[Patooka]

There are different shades of white and different shades of black. Obama is not as black as someone from the heart of Africa and I am not as white as someone from Ireland. But, they are still skin colors.

So there is a scale between white and black, but gender is a strict "either or" situation with absolutely no nuance. Please tell me what science you know that backs up your assertions.

Nevermind, I just remembered who I was asking. Asking you for evidence is like trying to breathe underwater. Still, you could surprise me and back up your assertions with some actual research this time.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

There are different shades of white and different shades of black. Obama is not as black as someone from the heart of Africa and I am not as white as someone from Ireland. But, they are still skin colors.

What about hermaphrodites?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Nevermind, I just remembered who I was asking. Asking you for evidence is like trying to breathe underwater.

That's really a good analogy.

I mean, i personally have breathed underwater. 90-100 days at a time, sometimes. The key is, you have to bring your own air, or something to make it.
Similarly, If you want facts in a discussion with Half-Life...

 

[Trausti]

And if she tells you when she grows up that you were mistaken to do so, you accept that correction and move on. Unless you're a total arsehole.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose every white person in America decided to say, "I now identify as black!" Would you now go around and say, "Wow, there's no more white people in the U.S.!"

Of course you wouldn't. you would still know they are white but delusional. Would you support people changing their skin color if they feel a different color?

Let's see if you're still saying, "it's no big deal, Half!" People wear blackface and you guys foam at the mouth. "But, it's just a skin color! Why get triggered?"

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

The biophobia in this response is off the charts. Apparently, humans aren't animals.

 

[Half-Life]

What about hermaphrodites?

Outliers. They are born with male and female parts. A woman and a man are not born with both. They are either or.

 

[bilby]

You do love your false dichotomies, don't you?

There ARE no white people in the US (or indeed, in the world). Every single human has a load of common black ancestors, and every non-albino has some melanin in their skin. The amount varies in a continuum from a little to a lot; At no point is there a clear line, with everyone on one side of the line obviously and indisputably 'white', while everyone on the other side is obviously and indisputably 'black'.

The idea that there are two completely and indisputably distinct human genders, into one or other of which every human being can be placed by the examination of a universally agreed and universally applicable definition, is utterly absurd.

No such definition exists. If you try to define what makes someone a 'man' and not a 'woman', or vice-versa, you will discover that there are always exceptions - people who either fit into both categories, or into neither.

The biophobia in this response is off the charts. Apparently, humans aren't animals.

WTF are you on about? Of course humans are animals. And I am not aware of any animal that exhibits perfect sexual dimorphism.

Perhaps you could give your definition(s) that can be used to allocate all humans to one and only one of the categories 'male' and 'female', with no person falling into both or neither category?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What about hermaphrodites?

Outliers. They are born with male and female parts. A woman and a man are not born with both. They are either or.

So there are men, women, and outliers.

 

[Keith&Co.]

If someone with a degree wants to be called 'Dr.' instead of 'Mr.' then courtesy dictates that we do so.

If someone with a vagina wants to be called 'Ms.' rather than 'Mrs.' it's the same courtesy.

Well before the end of 8 weeks of boot camp, i was expected to say 'sir' rather than 'hey, buddy' to certain people. They could get quite upset if i did not.

If someone went to the trouble to craft and don their cosplay before an event, they want to be called 'Sailor Sirius' for the duration of the con, courtesy would dictate that i cooperate, even if i know the player's real name is Mortimer.

For the most part, i have not seen a coworker's reproductive piping for the last twenty years, including all my trips to the men's room. I don't use that to address them. I go by how they present themselves, and what they ask me to call them.

It boggles my mind that anyone would balk at using the pronoun someone asks you to use. It take you no greater effort to say 'sir' or 'ma'am.' It doesn't change your pay or where you stand in line behind them, assuming they got there first.
If you're not their clinician, therapist, barber, tailor, or confessor it doesn't affect your job or your relationship with the person.

The conservatives spent about 20 years complaining that giving gays the right to marry would be giving them SPECIAL RIGHTS. Extra rights. As if that was somehow bad, as if that somehow took rights away from the rest of us. Well, it appears to me that wanting the ability to grant or withhold approval to someone's requested form of address would be a special right. Like a corporal wanting to only have to salute those officers he respected. Or only having to call them 'Doctor' if you personally accredit their school. Or demanding to see the birth certificate, calling people by their 'true' name rather than any nickname they've adopted over the years.