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McCarthey out as Speaker of the House - Bozo the clown on deck

Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
This is somewhat scary. What if they elect someone even worse than McCarthy?
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That's probably a good thing. The Republicans are going to vote crazy no matter who is in charge. The nuttier they are the more likely we get rid of them in 2024.
 
The GOP has a majority in the house, but 6 Representitives who switched from Republican to Democratic would hand control of the house to the Democrats. Who might do that? Members of the moderate Republican "Problem Solvers Caucus". Blackmail. "If the GOP is run by extremists, the GOP will lose big in 2024. We need moderate Republicans who can work with Democrats, or lose all to Democrats. Support our candidate for speaker and moderate programs or we will switch to the Democratic party."

We, I can dream.
 
A resolution to set aside the vacancy vote, to table or shelve it.
Roll Call 518 | Bill Number: H. Res. 757
Oct 03, 2023, 02:43 PM | 118th Congress, 1st Session
Vote Question: On Motion to Table
Declaring the office of Speaker of the House of Representatives to be vacant.
Vote Type: Yea-And-Nay
Status: Failed
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R: Y 208, N 11, nv 2
D: N 207, nv 5
Ttl: N 208, N 218, nv 7

The R's who voted against it: Biggs, Buck, Burchett, Crane, Davidson, Gaetz, Good(VA), Mace, Mills, Rosendale, Spartz

The nonvoters: Bush D, Carter (TX) R, Luna R, Pelosi D, Peltola D, Sykes D, Wilson (FL) D

The vacancy vote itself.
Roll Call 519 | Bill Number: H. Res. 757
Oct 03, 2023, 04:42 PM | 118th Congress, 1st Session
Vote Question: On Agreeing to the Resolution
Declaring the office of Speaker of the House of Representatives to be vacant.
Vote Type: Yea-And-Nay
Status: Passed
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R: Y 8, N 210, nv 3
D: Y 208, nv 4
Ttl: Y 216, N 210, nv 7

The R's: Biggs, Buck, Burchett, Crane, Gaetz, Good (VA), Mace, Rosendale

These R's voted against shelving the vote but voted no: Davidson, Mills, Spartz

The nonvoters: Bush D, Carter (TX) R, Gooden (TX) R, Luna R, Pelosi D, Peltola D, Sykes D

How will Matt Gaetz explain his vote to his good friend Marjorie Taylor Greene?
 
 January 2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election
 October 2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election

Did not vote for KMC in the first 11 rounds of last January's vote: Biggs, Bishop, Boebert, Brecheen, Cloud, Clyde, Crane, Donalds, Gaetz, Good, Gosar, Harris, Luna, Miller, Norman, Ogles, Perry, Rosendale, Roy, Self, Spartz

In the last 4 rounds: Biggs, Boebert, Crane, Gaetz, Good (VA), Rosendale

Vacating and last 4 rounds: Biggs, Crane, Gaetz, Good (VA), Rosendale

 Freedom Caucus - also a member: Biggs, Crane, Gaetz, Good (VA), Rosendale

In April 2021, a faction within the Freedom Caucus, led by Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene, attempted to form a new splinter group called the 'America First Caucus', along with Matt Gaetz. Senior members of the Freedom Caucus reportedly reacted with "fury" to the proposal, with Ken Buck publicly denouncing it.[74] The new caucus was later scrapped.[75]
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Opinion | Newt Gingrich: Matt Gaetz should be expelled from the House GOP - The Washington Post
But Gaetz has gone beyond regular drama. He is destroying the House GOP’s ability to govern and draw a sharp contrast with the policy disasters of the Biden administration.

Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), a liberal Democrat with whom I disagree on almost everything, perfectly captured Gaetz’s childish behavior in an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday. Gaetz “has no sway” or influence in Congress, Pelosi said, “except to get on TV and to raise money on the internet.” Pelosi told Tapper he was “wasting [his] time on that guy.”
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Gingrich says House GOP should expel ‘anti-Republican’ Gaetz | The Hill
His advice on Gaetz runs counter to a warning from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), who earlier this week warned against efforts to expel Gaetz.

“[A] Republican led effort to expel Matt Gaetz absolutely will not be tolerated by Republicans across the country,” Greene wrote in a lengthy thread on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“I can guarantee you that. Remember when 11 R’s voted against me and 10 R’s voted to impeach Pres Trump? Both the [motion to vacate] and expulsion plans are wrong.”
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House GOP Considers Filing Motion to Expel Matt Gaetz
“No one can stand him at this point. A smart guy without morals,” one lawmaker told Fox News of Gaetz, who is reportedly the subject of a House Ethics probe
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I think that the Democrats will do what they did last January and stock up on 🍿
 
Patooka said:
Gaetz caught his car. I suspect he's going to enter the "find out" stage of his career now.
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I don’t think he cares in the slightest about dramatically blowing up his House career—every premeditated, performative act in his career there has had nothing to do with governance and everything to do with establishing his bonifides to be the next whack-a-doodle governor of Florida.

He’s building up a resume of “As Trumpy as DiSantis, but gets shit done.”
 
Patooka said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Meanwhile, back at the pigstye, some GOP crazies are suggesting that Trump be elected new Speaker Of The House.
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Not exactly news. Gaetz suggested that last circus.
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Texas Republicans are suggesting this, because there is a vacancy. On the other hand, a judge just chased everybody out of court except Trump and Fani Willis. Apparently to read the riot act to Trump. He might be close to getting put in the slammer for his outrageous lies and defamations. Hard to run the House when Trump is under arrest.
 
Kev got his just rewards. He was certainly no victim except of his own ego. He was as partisan as it gets just a bit less crazy. He could have still been Speaker if he wasn't so partisan and so in it for himself. The crazies that ousted him would have been relegated to unimportance if he was any kind of politician. he won't be back unless he takes a smart pill and works with democrats.
 
Ford said:
Patooka said:
Man, this takes some real cognitive dissonance;

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I know...right?

The Republican Party used to close ranks and vote as a unit. That was the "secret sauce" they employed for most of the last 3 decades. Newt Gingrich (to a certain degree) created the "pick a lane and march in lockstep" strategy. It worked (for the most part) because they all agreed. "This is what we're doing, and keep in mind Reagan's 11th Commandment."

In a very real sense, their own policy was their undoing. Trump managed to secure the nomination and they all marched in lockstep behind him in 2016. But he was never on board with their secret sauce, because he was always in it for himself. After a couple of losses, the more level-headed folks in the once-grand old party realized what was wrong, but were powerless to stop it. Fragilego Mussolini had fractured the party and elevated the "Make Anarchy Great Again" side onto an equal footing with the "we used to be the Party of Reagan" camp. They're not marching in lockstep. They're fighting amongst each other, and Fraudy McFraudface is soaking up the shitshow for his own entertainment.

If the "Radical Left Democrats" were a little more disciplined they'd be able to take advantage of this, but they're still (as always) herding cats.
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Gingrich wrote an op-Ed yesterday demanding that republicans expel Gartz.
 
In one of his first official acts, the new temporary speaker has ordered Nancy Pelosi to vacate the office she was allowed to use as a former Speaker. By COB today. She’s in CA for Feinstein’s memorial service.

When you thought they couldn’t get any classier.
 
hurtinbuckaroo said:
In one of his first official acts, the new temporary speaker has ordered Nancy Pelosi to vacate the office she was allowed to use as a former Speaker. By COB today. She’s in CA for Feinstein’s memorial service.

When you thought they couldn’t get any classier.
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Well, when on the deck of the sinking Titanic, might as well rearrange the chairs.
 
Interesting, Democrats are getting a big portion of the blame from the GOP in their spin on how they haven't had a viable House Speaker in a couple decades. Rep Mike Lawler was on about how the American people gave them a majority meaning some sort of mandate. Yes, a tiny majority, in one House and not in the White House. So maybe if McCarthy had governed like he had a tiny mandate, we'd have seen the Democrats not give him the middle finger as his own party moved to remove him from the Speakership.

Scalise's name is leading the charge for the Speaker position, but Scalise is just McCarthy. Jim Jordan has the sociopathic attitudes that can help get the support of Rep. Gaetz (*-FL) and that poor guy from Tennessee who had his feelings hurt by McCarthy (fuck, imagine a Democrat saying that!). It is interesting, Gaetz can't get anything done, but he can keep things from being done. And there really isn't anyone that can do in the Speakership that McCarthy couldn't.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Interesting, Democrats are getting a big portion of the blame from the GOP in their spin on how they haven't had a viable House Speaker in a couple decades. Rep Mike Lawler was on about how the American people gave them a majority meaning some sort of mandate. Yes, a tiny majority, in one House and not in the White House. So maybe if McCarthy had governed like he had a tiny mandate, we'd have seen the Democrats not give him the middle finger as his own party moved to remove him from the Speakership.

Scalise's name is leading the charge for the Speaker position, but Scalise is just McCarthy. Jim Jordan has the sociopathic attitudes that can help get the support of Rep. Gaetz (*-FL) and that poor guy from Tennessee who had his feelings hurt by McCarthy (fuck, imagine a Democrat saying that!). It is interesting, Gaetz can't get anything done, but he can keep things from being done. And there really isn't anyone that can do in the Speakership that McCarthy couldn't.
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McCarthy himself blamed the Democrats for nearly shutting down the government after they made that last minute deal. On the Sunday talk shows he made it seem like everything was headed off a cliff before the stalwart Republicans swooped in and saved the day. This is SOP for them right now. Gym Jordan could be standing next to a Democratic rep, point a gun at his foot, flick the safety off and no matter how many times he was told "hey man, be careful with that thing," when he inevitably shot his big toe off he'd cry "why did the Democrats make this happen?"

As for picking the next Speaker, I'd point out that McCarthy WAS the "compromise" candidate. He was the closest thing they GOP caucus could get to a consensus, and that was only after 14 votes and concessions to Gaetz which led to the situation we're in now. And a side note, how the hell did Gaetz get to be the most powerful member of the House Republicans? He's a walking, talking dumpster fire of a human being, and rest assured he's going to pull the same sort of thing this time around if the "moderates" put up someone as meek and weak as McCarthy. If they put up someone who will stand up to the far right, they'll be dead in the water. This would be fun to watch if there wasn't yet another looming shutdown just around the corner.

As I said earlier, I think they actually WANT to burn it all down. At this point they're just fighting over who gets to throw the flaming torch into the bonfire.
 
AOC appeared on Instagram last evening, and she seemed irked by the ex-Speaker's atittude, blaming the Democrats for the almost-shutdown. Not surprisingly, she voted to remove him, as did every other Democrat. She reported that the House is adjourned until next week, and she expects a *lot* of drama llama about who will be the next Speaker. That will take time away from working out appropriations bills in time for the next shutdown deadline, in mid-November.
 
Ford said:
I think they actually WANT to burn it all down.
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Yes.
I don’t know what each of those MAGAts thinks they want, but it doesn’t matter.
Trump wants them to burn it all down, and they’d rather be set on fire than incur the wrath of the orange scourge.
I wonder if any of them has ever thought this through past next Saturday.
 
I love how the GOP is whining that Gaetz and the faction were fundraising off of this... but not because they were fundraising, but because they weren't sharing. Which I suppose is the difference between Trump fundraising off of a fake stolen election... he shared his money... of which almost none of it went to the stolen election.

Most of these assholes voted to undo the election in 2020 and they have the capacity to blame the Democrats for this?!
 
Elixir said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Jim Jordan would be another terrible choice.
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It might be easier to get 6 or so Republicans to vote for Jeffries than to get all of them to vote for Jordan.
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Jordan has skeletons that refuse to stay in his closet and is patently unqualified for the job, which makes him a likely candidate.

In reality, all Jordan has is name recognition, which is probably enough for him to be elected speaker and accelerate the GOP House's spiral into anarchy.
 
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