Meanwhile, Down in Mississippi ...

[JoyJuice]

The TPM article that should be dismissed because TPM is a left wing site, sources Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal and God knows that is a left wing rag.

 

[JoyJuice]

Understandable. Reparations are a vile, racist idea. Besides, blacks already got reparations through 40 years of so-called "affirmative action" and preferential hiring (90% of employees of government offices around here are black)

I am not too sure what to make of reparations, but I can say this.

Reparations is about compensation to Blacks because of slavery. A program like AA which historically benefited White women more than those designated by reparations, is by no means a substitute.

 

[Derec]

\ the hell is "here?" Zimbabwe?

Inner metro Atlanta. Specifically DeKalb and Fulton Counties as well as City of Atlanta.

Did you actually listen to the tirade? Everybody, please listen to recording and judge for yourself. PC Koolaid indeed.

He said something about it referring to a hot babe or something. Which is also my understanding as to its meaning and usage. Nothing racist there, but I can imagine radical feminists having their panties in a bunch. Unless they burned them along with their bras.

glorifying a society based on our "peculiar institution" isn't a racist thing to do? Really? Because that is exactly what the scv does.

I think it's a bit more complex that that. As I said, unless they talk fondly about slavery and advocate bringing back racist Jim Crow legislation I do not see what's racist about groups like SCV.
Speaking of "society based on our 'peculiar institution', the Union was such before the Civil War. That doesn't mean we have to disavow US history between 1776 and 1865 either.

Ok, that last one was weak. In that, McDaniel said nothing that has not been said by members of every group imaginable. That accusation was weak to say the least and I would go further and say it was unfair.

Thank you.

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Reparations is about compensation to Blacks because of slavery. A program like AA which historically benefited White women more than those designated by reparations, is by no means a substitute.

There is also "affirmative action" based on race.

 

[laughing dog]

McDaniel also blamed "hip hop culture" for increased gun violence, although he made sure to say that "hip hop culture" was not about race.

tbf this one was more likely due to McDaniel just not understanding the music scene and he's just parroting a term he heard on Fox News once.

I think you set a rather low standard. If someone is going to claim that "X" causes something, then that person should have some semblance of actual knowledge about "X". If I can distinguish between hip hop and gangsta rap (which I learned from the Web when I first saw the claim about violence), then so can any politician who wishes to make an honest statement about the world.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Inner metro Atlanta. Specifically DeKalb and Fulton Counties as well as City of Atlanta.

Did you actually listen to the tirade? Everybody, please listen to recording and judge for yourself. PC Koolaid indeed.

He said something about it referring to a hot babe or something. Which is also my understanding as to its meaning and usage. Nothing racist there, but I can imagine radical feminists having their panties in a bunch. Unless they burned them along with their bras.

glorifying a society based on our "peculiar institution" isn't a racist thing to do? Really? Because that is exactly what the scv does.

I think it's a bit more complex that that. As I said, unless they talk fondly about slavery and advocate bringing back racist Jim Crow legislation I do not see what's racist about groups like SCV.
Speaking of "society based on our 'peculiar institution', the Union was such before the Civil War. That doesn't mean we have to disavow US history between 1776 and 1865 either.

Ok, that last one was weak. In that, McDaniel said nothing that has not been said by members of every group imaginable. That accusation was weak to say the least and I would go further and say it was unfair.

Thank you.

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Reparations is about compensation to Blacks because of slavery. A program like AA which historically benefited White women more than those designated by reparations, is by no means a substitute.

There is also "affirmative action" based on race.

you do know that my father is from GA and I have a shit ton of relatives in the ATL. I have on occasion visited several municipal, county, state and national govt offices in and around Atlanta and while many black folk are employed in government service, I find 90% to be a tad high.

McDaniels' understanding of everything from the Spanish language to the Mexican cost of living leave much to be desired

I did not say the scv spoke about the confederacy, but that they glorified it. And they do. They celebrate a treason brought about to protect an abomination in the name of a most hateful fuedalism that dehumanized master and slave.

 

[ksen]

America: Can't even get slavery right.

 

[Derec]

you do know that my father is from GA and I have a shit ton of relatives in the ATL.

No, I did not know that.

I have on occasion visited several municipal, county, state and national govt offices in and around Atlanta and while many black folk are employed in government service, I find 90% to be a tad high.

Well, maybe 85%. Just yesterday I was at DeKalb County Department of Watershed Management to rent a hydrant meter. All the employees I encountered were black. Michael Jackson music (wasn't even one of his good songs) was blaring from the radio (unprofessional) and the woman who was helping me was enthusiastically singing along (really unprofessional!) and to top it off, she gave me the wrong adapter (unprofessional again).

McDaniels' understanding of everything from the Spanish language to the Mexican cost of living leave much to be desired

So that makes him "sleaziely racist"?

I did not say the scv spoke about the confederacy, but that they glorified it. And they do. They celebrate a treason brought about to protect an abomination in the name of a most hateful fuedalism that dehumanized master and slave.

Well their greatⁿgrandfathers fought for the Confederacy so there is family loyalty at play there. I doubt many scv members long for the days of slavery.

 

[Underseer]

From Robert Reich's Facebook page

Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran’s razor-thin margin of victory last night over State Senator State Senator Chris McDaniel, his Tea Party-backed challenger, in the Republican primary there, should be small comfort to the establishment GOP – or to any American. Cochran relied on black Democrats to put him over the finish line, prompting McDaniel to charge that his rival “has shown his true colors. … By reaching out to liberal Democrats he has confirmed what we’ve always known: that he doesn’t have our best interests at heart.” Excuse me, but “our” best interests? McDaniel and the Tea Party played on the growing fears of working-class whites that their economic decline has been due to a conspiracy of blacks, Latinos, immigrants, and the federal government – from which they must “take America back.” The billionaire oligarchs who funded McDaniel through their various front groups want anxious white Americans to believe this dangerous fiction, and they and their money aren’t going away. That’s why it’s so important to create a new political coalition that unites working-class whites with the poor and middle class, to take back America from the oligarchs.

Really?

If Democrats vote for you and you are Republican, you don't have the people's interest at heart? And if black folk vote for you ... Oh my Lord and Taylor!

I may not be a collie, but I sure do hear whistles.

This proves that Reagan was a no-good America-hating socialist dictator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/conservolibertarian]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, I did not know that.

I have on occasion visited several municipal, county, state and national govt offices in and around Atlanta and while many black folk are employed in government service, I find 90% to be a tad high.

Well, maybe 85%. Just yesterday I was at DeKalb County Department of Watershed Management to rent a hydrant meter. All the employees I encountered were black. Michael Jackson music (wasn't even one of his good songs) was blaring from the radio (unprofessional) and the woman who was helping me was enthusiastically singing along (really unprofessional!) and to top it off, she gave me the wrong adapter (unprofessional again).

Well, if that doesn't prove 85% then I don't know what would.

I did not say the scv spoke about the confederacy, but that they glorified it. And they do. They celebrate a treason brought about to protect an abomination in the name of a most hateful fuedalism that dehumanized master and slave.

Well their greatⁿgrandfathers fought for the Confederacy so there is family loyalty at play there. I doubt many scv members long for the days of slavery.

Slavery or segregation? It wasn't too long ago when Trent Lott went on about how America may not have had all these problems if Thurmond won the Presidency back in the 50s.

 

[JoyJuice]

There is also "affirmative action" based on race.

Understood.
What I am saying it is by no means a reasonable substitute for compensation of a specific group because of a specific event.
It's kind of hard to make that equation when White men put their businesses in their wives names to reap contracts you seem to think is akin to reparations for blacks.

 

[Bronzeage]

Slavery or segregation? It wasn't too long ago when Trent Lott went on about how America may not have had all these problems if Thurmond won the Presidency back in the 50s.

I have two great grandfathers who fought in the Civil War, so let's not overplay that hand.

In all due fairness to Trent Lott, he was done in by three things, he wanted to say something nice about Strom Thurmond, it was nearly midnight, and there was an open bar. Although I would not have believed it at the time, we would all have been better off today if Lott had kept his mouth shut and his career intact that night. All the Democrats gained from pushing him out of office was the devil they did not know.

 

[boneyard bill]

Slavery or segregation? It wasn't too long ago when Trent Lott went on about how America may not have had all these problems if Thurmond won the Presidency back in the 50s.

I have two great grandfathers who fought in the Civil War, so let's not overplay that hand.

In all due fairness to Trent Lott, he was done in by three things, he wanted to say something nice about Strom Thurmond, it was nearly midnight, and there was an open bar. Although I would not have believed it at the time, we would all have been better off today if Lott had kept his mouth shut and his career intact that night. All the Democrats gained from pushing him out of office was the devil they did not know.

From what I have heard, Lott was pushed out because he wasn't on board with the Bush Administration on the Iraq War.

 

[boneyard bill]

From Robert Reich's Facebook page

Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran’s razor-thin margin of victory last night over State Senator State Senator Chris McDaniel, his Tea Party-backed challenger, in the Republican primary there, should be small comfort to the establishment GOP – or to any American. Cochran relied on black Democrats to put him over the finish line, prompting McDaniel to charge that his rival “has shown his true colors. … By reaching out to liberal Democrats he has confirmed what we’ve always known: that he doesn’t have our best interests at heart.” Excuse me, but “our” best interests? McDaniel and the Tea Party played on the growing fears of working-class whites that their economic decline has been due to a conspiracy of blacks, Latinos, immigrants, and the federal government – from which they must “take America back.” The billionaire oligarchs who funded McDaniel through their various front groups want anxious white Americans to believe this dangerous fiction, and they and their money aren’t going away. That’s why it’s so important to create a new political coalition that unites working-class whites with the poor and middle class, to take back America from the oligarchs.

Really?

If Democrats vote for you and you are Republican, you don't have the people's interest at heart? And if black folk vote for you ... Oh my Lord and Taylor!

I may not be a collie, but I sure do hear whistles.

Why on earth would you think you are actually going to learn anything from a Robert Reich facebook page? You know up front that it is going to be propaganda. McDaniel was running on a typical Tea Party platform which means that he wants to tighten border security before considering amnesty or other forms of normalization of illegal immigrants. As well as calling for a balanced budget and bringing fiscal sustainability to the country. Thad Cochran was a typical "bring home the bacon" Mississippi pork-barrel politician. McDaniel won the first round but fell .4% short of the 50% needed to avoid a run-off. Suddenly, in the run-off turn-out is way up and it's up mostly in Mississippi's predominantly black counties. The rumors that Haley Barbour, Mississippi's "boss Hogg" was handing out "walking around" money to Democrat pols to turn out the black vote for Cochran appear to be true.

Problem is, how many of these are legal voters? It's OK to cross parties in Mississippi, but not in the same election. Voters who cast ballots in the Democratic primary cannot then vote in the Republican run-off. So McDaniel people are culling through the rosters looking for illegal voters and they've found some while Cochran supporters are trying to certify the county votes as quickly as possible. This election is almost certainly headed to the courts.

In the meantime, we may be looking at the one situation in which this seat could go Democrat. Either candidate would likely win in November, but it could be that Cochran and Barbour have so alienated McDaniel supporters that the Democrat, Childers I think, could possibly win as Republicans stay away or even vote for Childers.

McDaniel, by the way, is from Jones County which prides itself in having seceded from Mississippi during the civil war because of the slavery issue.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

From Robert Reich's Facebook page

Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran’s razor-thin margin of victory last night over State Senator State Senator Chris McDaniel, his Tea Party-backed challenger, in the Republican primary there, should be small comfort to the establishment GOP – or to any American. Cochran relied on black Democrats to put him over the finish line, prompting McDaniel to charge that his rival “has shown his true colors. … By reaching out to liberal Democrats he has confirmed what we’ve always known: that he doesn’t have our best interests at heart.” Excuse me, but “our” best interests? McDaniel and the Tea Party played on the growing fears of working-class whites that their economic decline has been due to a conspiracy of blacks, Latinos, immigrants, and the federal government – from which they must “take America back.” The billionaire oligarchs who funded McDaniel through their various front groups want anxious white Americans to believe this dangerous fiction, and they and their money aren’t going away. That’s why it’s so important to create a new political coalition that unites working-class whites with the poor and middle class, to take back America from the oligarchs.

Really?

If Democrats vote for you and you are Republican, you don't have the people's interest at heart? And if black folk vote for you ... Oh my Lord and Taylor!

I may not be a collie, but I sure do hear whistles.

Why on earth would you think you are actually going to learn anything from a Robert Reich facebook page? You know up front that it is going to be propaganda. McDaniel was running on a typical Tea Party platform which means that he wants to tighten border security before considering amnesty or other forms of normalization of illegal immigrants. As well as calling for a balanced budget and bringing fiscal sustainability to the country. Thad Cochran was a typical "bring home the bacon" Mississippi pork-barrel politician. McDaniel won the first round but fell .4% short of the 50% needed to avoid a run-off. Suddenly, in the run-off turn-out is way up and it's up mostly in Mississippi's predominantly black counties. The rumors that Haley Barbour, Mississippi's "boss Hogg" was handing out "walking around" money to Democrat pols to turn out the black vote for Cochran appear to be true.

Problem is, how many of these are legal voters? It's OK to cross parties in Mississippi, but not in the same election. Voters who cast ballots in the Democratic primary cannot then vote in the Republican run-off. So McDaniel people are culling through the rosters looking for illegal voters and they've found some while Cochran supporters are trying to certify the county votes as quickly as possible. This election is almost certainly headed to the courts.

In the meantime, we may be looking at the one situation in which this seat could go Democrat. Either candidate would likely win in November, but it could be that Cochran and Barbour have so alienated McDaniel supporters that the Democrat, Childers I think, could possibly win as Republicans stay away or even vote for Childers.

McDaniel, by the way, is from Jones County which prides itself in having seceded from Mississippi during the civil war because of the slavery issue.

the seat is not going Democratic.

And McDaniel would not have gone along with Jones County secession. (Yeah, I know all about that too.)

 

[Bronzeage]

Slavery or segregation? It wasn't too long ago when Trent Lott went on about how America may not have had all these problems if Thurmond won the Presidency back in the 50s.

I have two great grandfathers who fought in the Civil War, so let's not overplay that hand.

In all due fairness to Trent Lott, he was done in by three things, he wanted to say something nice about Strom Thurmond, it was nearly midnight, and there was an open bar. Although I would not have believed it at the time, we would all have been better off today if Lott had kept his mouth shut and his career intact that night. All the Democrats gained from pushing him out of office was the devil they did not know.

From what I have heard, Lott was pushed out because he wasn't on board with the Bush Administration on the Iraq War.

Which is another reason we would have been better off with him.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

From Robert Reich's Facebook page

Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran’s razor-thin margin of victory last night over State Senator State Senator Chris McDaniel, his Tea Party-backed challenger, in the Republican primary there, should be small comfort to the establishment GOP – or to any American. Cochran relied on black Democrats to put him over the finish line, prompting McDaniel to charge that his rival “has shown his true colors. … By reaching out to liberal Democrats he has confirmed what we’ve always known: that he doesn’t have our best interests at heart.” Excuse me, but “our” best interests? McDaniel and the Tea Party played on the growing fears of working-class whites that their economic decline has been due to a conspiracy of blacks, Latinos, immigrants, and the federal government – from which they must “take America back.” The billionaire oligarchs who funded McDaniel through their various front groups want anxious white Americans to believe this dangerous fiction, and they and their money aren’t going away. That’s why it’s so important to create a new political coalition that unites working-class whites with the poor and middle class, to take back America from the oligarchs.

Really?

If Democrats vote for you and you are Republican, you don't have the people's interest at heart? And if black folk vote for you ... Oh my Lord and Taylor!

I may not be a collie, but I sure do hear whistles.

The teabaggers are all so outraged. Didn't here a peep out of 'em when Wretch Rimjob started Operation Chaos. And you just KNOW there are a lot of black Mississippians going "Hate being cheated at the polls? Us too!" Voter caging. Not that these howling, yowling teabaggers will make the connection.

 

[Ford]

This came up last night on the Bill Maher show, and Joy Reid hit the nail on the head. Cochran was the "least bad option" for black voters in a state that is run by Republicans. http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/06/real-time-guest-brooks-draws

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Understandable. Reparations are a vile, racist idea. Besides, blacks already got reparations through 40 years of so-called "affirmative action" and preferential hiring (90% of employees of government offices around here are black)

I am not too sure what to make of reparations, but I can say this.

Reparations is about compensation to Blacks because of slavery. A program like AA which historically benefited White women more than those designated by reparations, is by no means a substitute.

Show me any living person who was legally held as a slave in this country, and I'll gladly agree that said person deserves reparations.

 

[Bronzeage]

Understandable. Reparations are a vile, racist idea. Besides, blacks already got reparations through 40 years of so-called "affirmative action" and preferential hiring (90% of employees of government offices around here are black)

I am not too sure what to make of reparations, but I can say this.

Reparations is about compensation to Blacks because of slavery. A program like AA which historically benefited White women more than those designated by reparations, is by no means a substitute.

Show me any living person who was legally held as a slave in this country, and I'll gladly agree that said person deserves reparations.

That's a fair request.

Consider this. Suppose an my worked for a person who employed my father failed to pay him his last month's wages.

Does the man owe this money to my father?
If my father dies before he collects, does the man owe this money to my father's estate?
How many generations must pass before this obligation to my father no longer exists?

 

[pegasus8]

It's official folks. It was "walking around " money that got all the black folks to vote for the GOP favorite Thad let then eat cake Cochran.

Golly gee Batman, I guess that it must true. That governor of Mississippi has been spreading the E Pluribus Unum around and in front of all those polls where all the "black" people vote. Just the ugly racist repugnant sound of this makes me want to hurl. Well there you go. Nothing but the pure unadulterated truth in that, I guess, black folks can be enticed to vote at the polls with money$$$! Wow! Then this must explain how the true American patriot Chris McDaniel, "you will get nothing and you will like it" Tea Bagger favorite lost. And John Pemberton knew when he surrendered to that whisky drinking Yankee Grant the only way to keep the rich in power was to get all the "white trash" to hate on the black slaves. Fast forward it to today and IMO not a whole lot has changed. Just ask McDaniel how he feels having egg fu yung all over his cracker ass face when the GOP Cochran uses the same win at all cost techniques to defeat the asshole racist Tea Bagger. Can anyone say Karma? Or can one see Karl the Pillsbury Fat Boy Rove laughing all the way to the bank again this election cycle?

God Damn liberals will do anything to get their people elected. Oops. Was not Cochran a GOP red neck? At least some of us Democrats can come away with a grin that the republican party is killing and eating its own. I mean you do not see Democrats committing suicide for grass root fronts like the Tea Party. F'n Tea Baggers; they are actually destroying the republican party for their puppet masters! Gee. Now who would that be?

Peace

Pegasus