Michael Brown Shooting and Aftermath

[Derec]

Stay classy ...
Police investigating assault and theft following argument between Brown family relatives

Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty, were selling t-shirts and other Michael Brown merchandise.
A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people, was reported to be Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can`t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent.
The police report says that`s when an unidentified person with McSpadden assaulted Petty so violently that it resulted in a 911 call. A witness tells Fox 2 that the weapon was a metal pipe or pole. The suspect reportedly struck Petty in the face. Medics then took him to Christian Northeast Hospital. The witness said the assault suspect grabbed merchandise and a box of cash believed to contain about $1,400.

 

[RavenSky]

But where do you get the idea that Brown would have to have freakishly long arms to reach inside the car, or that his head was nowhere near the window?

The absurd sidebar comes from those who claim that Officer Wilson was temporarily deaf and disoriented from the gun blast inside the vehicle, while simultaneously claiming that the same would not apply to Michael Brown because his head was not inside the vehicle. These same people, however, ALSO claim that Michael Brown was reaching inside the vehicle, across Wilson's lap to Wilson's right side to the allegedly still holstered gun - and that this was the threat which, combined with Officer Wilson's aforementioned temporary deafness and disorientation, apparently justifies the killing of Michael Brown.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Drug case dropped when Darren Wilson, the Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown, fails to appear at hearing

A drug case investigated by the Ferguson, Mo., police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager in August was dismissed Monday when the officer, Darren Wilson, failed to appear in court, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Apparently a PO on administrative leave can't be compelled to appear. There is no subpoena. So maybe Wilson just didn't feel like it, but there's another possible reason: an accusation of excessive force. The defendant refused a search of his cars and Wilson took his keys by force.

 

[Derec]

Stay classy ...
Police investigating assault and theft following argument between Brown family relatives

Update: Michael Brown's mother accused in armed robbery of Ferguson vendors selling t-shirts commemorating her son's death

The article says the incident is being investigated as an "armed robbery". Like mother, like son, I guess, or rather the other way around in this case. It also gives mother's age as 34, which according to Adam Ries, means that she was only 16 when she had Michael. Kind of explains a lot, doesn't it?
The article also mentions this:

Two days ago it was announced that McSpadden and the slain youngster's father Michael Brown Senior would be speaking at a human rights conference in Switzerland.
They are scheduled to address the 53rd Session of the United Nations Committee Against Torture in Geneva on November 12 and 13.
With the help of a Saint Louis University law professor, they have set up an online page, dubbed 'Ferguson To Geneva'.
It comes nearly 14 weeks after the pair's 18-year-old unarmed son, who is black, was gunned down by white officer, Darren Wilson, in the St Louis suburb of Ferguson.

This raises a number of questions:
1. Why is she allowed to travel abroad when she is facing an armed robbery charge?
2. What the fuck does Michael Brown getting shot by police have to do with torture?
3. Why is UN involved in any way?
4. Who is picking up the tab (I very much doubt they are)?

Getting a free trip to Switzerland because your thug son got shot by police is a good deal, all things considered. I wonder if they will get some skiing in while there?

 

[laughing dog]

Getting a free trip to Switzerland because your thug son got shot by police is a good deal, all things considered.

The proportion of parents who would consider such a tradeoff a good deal is probably very very small.

 

[Sarpedon]

How could you think something like that Derec? Can't you see yourself? Aren't you ashamed? Something is very wrong with you.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Update: Michael Brown's mother accused in armed robbery of Ferguson vendors selling t-shirts commemorating her son's death

The article says the incident is being investigated as an "armed robbery". Like mother, like son, I guess, or rather the other way around in this case. It also gives mother's age as 34, which according to Adam Ries, means that she was only 16 when she had Michael. Kind of explains a lot, doesn't it?
The article also mentions this:

Two days ago it was announced that McSpadden and the slain youngster's father Michael Brown Senior would be speaking at a human rights conference in Switzerland.
They are scheduled to address the 53rd Session of the United Nations Committee Against Torture in Geneva on November 12 and 13.
With the help of a Saint Louis University law professor, they have set up an online page, dubbed 'Ferguson To Geneva'.
It comes nearly 14 weeks after the pair's 18-year-old unarmed son, who is black, was gunned down by white officer, Darren Wilson, in the St Louis suburb of Ferguson.

This raises a number of questions:
1. Why is she allowed to travel abroad when she is facing an armed robbery charge?

Ask the judge as she was probably released upon her own recognizance, without travel restrictions.

2. What the fuck does Michael Brown getting shot by police have to do with torture?

An example of "police state" tactics to observers.

3. Why is UN involved in any way?

It'd probably be better if you ask yourself what a Committee does?

4. Who is picking up the tab (I very much doubt they are)?

Who cares?

Getting a free trip to Switzerland because your thug son got shot by police is a good deal, all things considered. I wonder if they will get some skiing in while there?

That's pretty cold hearted thing to say.

 

[Derec]

Getting a free trip to Switzerland because your thug son got shot by police is a good deal, all things considered.

The proportion of parents who would consider such a tradeoff a good deal is probably very very small.

I agree. Which raises the question of why his parents are doing it.

How could you think something like that Derec? Can't you see yourself? Aren't you ashamed? Something is very wrong with you.

Something like what exactly? Why should behavior and motivation of the parents be exempt from scrutiny? Why is it illegitimate to question why a person who is charged with armed robbery is allowed to travel abroad and that for no other purpose than to badmouth US in front of the UN (UN's second-favorite pastime right after badmouthing Israel).

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The proportion of parents who would consider such a tradeoff a good deal is probably very very small.

I agree. Which raises the question of why his parents are doing it.

No it doesn't. It reflects on the ponderer of such a question more than it asks.

How could you think something like that Derec? Can't you see yourself? Aren't you ashamed? Something is very wrong with you.

Something like what exactly?

Like having a loved on die and implying that they are happy vacationers because he is dead.

 

[Derec]

Ask the judge as she was probably released upon her own recognizance, without travel restrictions.

Pretty unorthodox to allow a felony suspect to leave the country.

An example of "police state" tactics to observers.

What exactly is an example of a "police state"? And nobody is accusing the Ferguson police of having tortured anybody. The whole thing strikes me as yet another attempt by the UN and American left-wing radicals to badmouth US.

It'd probably be better if you ask yourself what a Committee does?

Well forgive my assumption that a torture committee would concern itself with torture, rather than a police shooting of a robbery suspect who likely attacked a police officer and went for his gun.
But then again, the real point of the committee is to attack the US. If there is any time left after attacking Israel of course.

Who cares?

I think it is very relevant as they likely have an agenda.

That's pretty cold hearted thing to say.

Playing politics at the UN after your son has been killed is pretty coldhearted thing to do in my opinion.

 

[Sabine Grant]

Update: Michael Brown's mother accused in armed robbery of Ferguson vendors selling t-shirts commemorating her son's death

The article says the incident is being investigated as an "armed robbery". Like mother, like son, I guess, or rather the other way around in this case. It also gives mother's age as 34, which according to Adam Ries, means that she was only 16 when she had Michael. Kind of explains a lot, doesn't it?

What is it that it "kind of explains a lot" Derec? Be specific.

The article also mentions this:

Two days ago it was announced that McSpadden and the slain youngster's father Michael Brown Senior would be speaking at a human rights conference in Switzerland.
They are scheduled to address the 53rd Session of the United Nations Committee Against Torture in Geneva on November 12 and 13.
With the help of a Saint Louis University law professor, they have set up an online page, dubbed 'Ferguson To Geneva'.
It comes nearly 14 weeks after the pair's 18-year-old unarmed son, who is black, was gunned down by white officer, Darren Wilson, in the St Louis suburb of Ferguson.

This raises a number of questions:


1. Why is she allowed to travel abroad when she is facing an armed robbery charge?

Because no charges have been filed against her. An investigation is ongoing which is not to be confused for meaning that she was charged with armed robbery.

2. What the fuck does Michael Brown getting shot by police have to do with torture?

A quick search to

http://www.ushrnetwork.org/our-work/project/cat-convention-against-torture

would have informed you as to the goals of the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or
Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

FYI, a grassroot movement in Chicago is also heading to that Convention regarding Police Brutality in Chicago.

Further and again, based on a quick search which took me only a few minutes ( I must wonder why you ask such questions when you could have completed the same search and found answers to your questions)

The parents of Michael Brown are going to a United Nations meeting in Switzerland to speak against civil rights violations, racial profiling and police violence in the United States, according to a St. Louis University assistant law professor who is helping organize the trip....

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_8acffa23-a49f-5b37-893b-8433e5fa16ee.html

Further,

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/parents-michael-brown-speak-un-committee-geneva

Saint Louis University Law professor Justin Hansford co-wrote the brief. He said they are hoping for a global movement against excessive force by law enforcement and international recognition that police violated human rights in their interactions with protesters.

“We cross our fingers that it’ll be something that will influence decision-makers to take a more peaceful, more preventative approach as opposed to a more militarized approach to responding to peaceful protests. So it could save some lives,” Hansford said. He added that the issue is especially important right now because more protests are expected when the grand jury announces whether it will indict Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown.

3. Why is UN involved in any way?

I guess another search would have informed you as to the role of the UN regarding Human Rights :

http://www.un.org/rights/dpi1774e.htm

4. Who is picking up the tab (I very much doubt they are)?

Private donations collected by the party who is sponsoring their trip. Note the specific of donations indicating that you need not to worry about public funds or tax payer contributions being used to support their trip.

Getting a free trip to Switzerland because your thug son got shot by police is a good deal, all things considered.

Actually, you did not consider "all things" as you had to be educated with the above.

I wonder if they will get some skiing in while there?

I am rather certain that they have far greater priorities in their minds than using time and energy getting to ski slopes.

 

[Derec]

Like having a loved on die and implying that they are happy vacationers because he is dead.

No I was implying they are playing politics with the death of their "loved on"[sic]. The skiing was just a snarky aside because of the location.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Pretty unorthodox to allow a felony suspect to leave the country.

Okay I was lazy, and a quick Google search reveals that no charges have been filed. She's free to travel as a private citizen.

An example of "police state" tactics to observers.

What exactly is an example of a "police state"? And nobody is accusing the Ferguson police of having tortured anybody. The whole thing strikes me as yet another attempt by the UN and American left-wing radicals to badmouth US.

It'd probably be better if you ask yourself what a Committee does?

Well forgive my assumption that a torture committee would concern itself with torture, rather than a police shooting of a robbery suspect who likely attacked a police officer and went for his gun.
But then again, the real point of the committee is to attack the US. If there is any time left after attacking Israel of course.

First off: ISRAEL? really? Nobody cares. Now shut up about it and stay on topic.

Another quick Google search reveals:

According to the Washington Post, the committee is meeting Wednesday and Thursday to look at issues in the United States including police brutality, Guantanamo Bay detainees and the treatment of other detainees.

"Traditionally, if you look at the history of the convention against torture, this is the correct location for claims of police violence," Hansford said.

<paraphrased> Who is paying for this?

Who cares?

I think it is very relevant as they likely have an agenda.

Brown's parents will be part of the delegation of human rights advocates organized by the New York and Atlanta based U.S. Human Rights Network to meet in Geneva. Several protesters from Ferguson also will be going on the trip.

That's pretty cold hearted thing to say.

Playing politics at the UN after your son has been killed is pretty coldhearted thing to do in my opinion.

They are playing politics by addressing a organization that looks into cases such as this?

 

[marc]

Hmmm... If my kid was murdered, and I saw someone making money off of my kids death without permission from me, I think I'd be a bit pissed off as well. That doesn't justify beating the guy and taking his stuff, but then what other option do they have, call the cops? Don't think that would be considered a good idea there.

 

[Derec]

What is it that it "kind of explains a lot" Derec? Be specific.

It shows his parents acted in an irresponsible way. Also, having teenage parents is not exactly conducive to proper upbringing.
Is it any wonder Michael Brown struggled in school (mother admitted he barely graduated) and engaged in strongarm robbery?

Because no charges have been filed against her. An investigation is ongoing which is not to be confused for meaning that she was charged with armed robbery.

So why isn't she being charged yet? The case seems pretty clear-cut. Unlike the case against Wilson, who is not travelling abroad while his case is being deliberated by the grand jury. Imagine the outrage if he was travelling to Switzerland!

http://www.ushrnetwork.org/our-work/project/cat-convention-against-torture

This link doesn't explain to me why a shooting of a criminal suspect who is accused of also attacking the police comes under the purview of UN anti-torture treaties.
By the way, this organization is a smorgasbord of all sorts of left-wing organizations, including Coalition against Keystone XL pipeline.

FYI, a grassroot movement in Chicago is also heading to that Convention regarding Police Brutality in Chicago.

Human rights of Chicagoans are much more endangered by violent crime than by so-called "police brutality".

The parents of Michael Brown are going to a United Nations meeting in Switzerland to speak against civil rights violations, racial profiling and police violence in the United States, according to a St. Louis University assistant law professor who is helping organize the trip....

I.e. what I was saying - badmouth the US. And what does make them "experts" on these issues anyway?

Saint Louis University Law professor Justin Hansford co-wrote the brief. He said they are hoping for a global movement against excessive force by law enforcement and international recognition that police violated human rights in their interactions with protesters.

How was the police supposed to act toward violent rioters? Remember that a QuickTrip was looted and torched on the very first day of these "protests". The subsequent heavy-handed police presence is a direct consequence of the early violence by the protesters. And the violence is still going on:
Man beaten at Ferguson protest strategy meeting
Ferguson protester throws beer at motorcyclist causing accident

“We cross our fingers that it’ll be something that will influence decision-makers to take a more peaceful, more preventative approach as opposed to a more militarized approach to responding to peaceful protests. So it could save some lives,” Hansford said. He added that the issue is especially important right now because more protests are expected when the grand jury announces whether it will indict Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown.

When there is violence coming from the protesters the police must respond forcefully. Peaceful policing doesn't work against violent subjects. What this professor wants is police to show restraint even while he expects protesters to get much more violent if Wilson doesn't get indicted.
And this is all about protests, not the shooting itself. Which makes me wonder about what the parents are doing there.

I guess another search would have informed you as to the role of the UN regarding Human Rights :

http://www.un.org/rights/dpi1774e.htm

Oh yes, the UN Human Rights Council which passed almost half of its resolutions against Israel and passed a resolution against blasphemy.
What exactly in this link do you think applies to this police shooting anyway?

Private donations collected by the party who is sponsoring their trip. Note the specific of donations indicating that you need not to worry about public funds or tax payer contributions being used to support their trip.

I.e. the radical left wing "human rights" group you linked to above. And again, this particular conference is about torture, and neither the shooting nor the police response to the rioters/protesters is torture by any stretch of the definition of the term.

 

[Derec]

Hmmm... If my kid was murdered,

There isn't any evidence Brown was murdered.

and I saw someone making money off of my kids death without permission from me, I think I'd be a bit pissed off as well.

It wasn't a random stranger, it was Brown's grandmother and "other family members".

That doesn't justify beating the guy and taking his stuff, but then what other option do they have, call the cops?

It would definitely be preferable to attacking people with metal pipes and robbing them. However, I am not sure the sellers did anything illegal anyway, so I doubt police would have done much.

Don't think that would be considered a good idea there.

As long as they don't attack the police they would have been fine.

 

[laughing dog]

The proportion of parents who would consider such a tradeoff a good deal is probably very very small.

I agree. Which raises the question of why his parents are doing it.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, the parents are going to the UN because they believe their son's death was wrongful. Seems to me the answer to your question is obvious to even the most dimwitted of observers. His parents did not trade his death for a trip nor is there any evidence they think it is a good deal. So what exactly is the point of your observations other than to disparage the parents?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It shows his parents acted in an irresponsible way. Also, having teenage parents is not exactly conducive to proper upbringing.
Is it any wonder Michael Brown struggled in school (mother admitted he barely graduated) and engaged in strongarm robbery?

So it is the parents fault he was killed? Check.

And now they dance around like they are in the Sound of Music? Check.

 

[Derec]

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, the parents are going to the UN because they believe their son's death was wrongful.

1. Believing the death was wrongful
2. ???
3. Going to the UN
There seems to be a logical step missing. If you think a death of a loved one is wrongful, you can file a wrongful death suit. You can await the criminal proceedings. But I do not see how grandstanding at the UN is in any way helpful.

- - - Updated - - -

So it is the parents fault he was killed? Check.

Well the man he became is a combination of nature and nurture. So in any case, yes.

And now they dance around like they are in the Sound of Music? Check.

Did I say that?

 

[Derec]

I hope they follow through on this: Racially-charged tweet on Ferguson shooting to get Texas teacher fired
Screen capture of the racist tweet:

But black people can't be racist! </progressoauthoritarian>