Michael Brown Shooting and Aftermath

[Loren Pechtel]

Trying to kill someone crosses this above another threshold. IE, why would Brown try to kill a cop instead of run away... over a box of cigars?

And we know it's over a box of cigars? We have some magic device that can tell us he committed no more serious offenses?

And we don't even know that he was trying to kill the officer. Maybe the idea was to disarm him and escape. (Not that that would change anything. The officer isn't required to trust his life to hoping the guy won't shoot.)

 

[Shadowy Man]

Huh? Assuming the window was open it certainly seems possible if the gun was on his left hip.

Is the handedness of the officer known? Surely we can find out which side of his body he carried his gun. It's probably even in the videos of him pacing over the dead body.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Trying to kill someone crosses this above another threshold. IE, why would Brown try to kill a cop instead of run away... over a box of cigars?

And we know it's over a box of cigars? We have some magic device that can tell us he committed no more serious offenses?

And we don't even know that he was trying to kill the officer. Maybe the idea was to disarm him and escape. (Not that that would change anything. The officer isn't required to trust his life to hoping the guy won't shoot.)

Escape from what? he was jaywalking.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Huh? Assuming the window was open it certainly seems possible if the gun was on his left hip.

Is the handedness of the officer known? Surely we can find out which side of his body he carried his gun. It's probably even in the videos of him pacing over the dead body.

1) The officer's handedness doesn't say which side is gun is on.

2) It also could have been a mistake--attempting to take what he thought was a gun but really was a taser. That's still a lethal threat to the officer (if he's tased he can't resist having his gun taken), he's going to respond the same.

 

[RavenSky]

He must have extremely long arms then because otherwise, if his head is outside the car, I don't see how it would be physically possible for Mike Brown to have been reaching for the police officer's holstered gun as people are claiming he was.

Huh? Assuming the window was open it certainly seems possible if the gun was on his left hip.

So you assume the window was open, you assume the cop is left handed. But let's keep this discussion focused on facts, shall we?

Regardless, even if the holster was on the left side, there is simply no way Brown could have "wrestled the gun out of the holster" with his head outside of the car. How would he see what he was reaching for?

Seriously this is getting stupid some of you are so determined to not allow the dead man even the smallest smidge of humanity. You can't even allow for the possibility that IF Michael Brown really did go after Officer Wilson's gun - as you want to insist he did even though you have zero evidence for this claim - his head would have to be inside the car too because then you would have to allow for the possibility that his ears would be ringing too.

The lengths you will go to in order to deny that Michael Brown was a human being is just appalling.

 

[RavenSky]

Trying to kill someone crosses this above another threshold. IE, why would Brown try to kill a cop instead of run away... over a box of cigars?

And we know it's over a box of cigars? We have some magic device that can tell us he committed no more serious offenses?

And we don't even know that he was trying to kill the officer. Maybe the idea was to disarm him and escape. (Not that that would change anything. The officer isn't required to trust his life to hoping the guy won't shoot.)

Pssttttt Loren... We don't even know that he was trying to take the gun. That is still a big fat hypothetical you all are running with

 

[Shadowy Man]

Is the handedness of the officer known? Surely we can find out which side of his body he carried his gun. It's probably even in the videos of him pacing over the dead body.

1) The officer's handedness doesn't say which side is gun is on.

2) It also could have been a mistake--attempting to take what he thought was a gun but really was a taser. That's still a lethal threat to the officer (if he's tased he can't resist having his gun taken), he's going to respond the same.

Is it known if the officer had a taser on him?

Or is all of this just wild speculation?

 

[Arctish]

He got caught doing something wrong, and instead of simply fleeing... he confronts and tries to kill. The narrative is the same.

He probably just tried to give Z "whoop ass" but Z was still within his rights to defend himself.

No, if it was whoop ass, then Z attacked M, which he had no right to do. But I'm glad to see you finally admitting that's what probably happened.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trying to kill someone crosses this above another threshold. IE, why would Brown try to kill a cop instead of run away... over a box of cigars?

And we know it's over a box of cigars? We have some magic device that can tell us he committed no more serious offenses?

There isn't anything you can't spin.

So now he tried to kill a cop because of some major crime he committed. Got it.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

And we know it's over a box of cigars? We have some magic device that can tell us he committed no more serious offenses?

There isn't anything you can't spin.

So now he tried to kill a cop because of some major crime he committed. Got it.

Didn't you know?

Michael Brown ordered ice on the Titanic, was caught smoking on the Hindenburg, and told Lincoln about this great play he just had to see. ""You'll die laughing"

 

[Derec]

No, if it was whoop ass, then Z attacked M, which he had no right to do. But I'm glad to see you finally admitting that's what probably happened.

How so? "Whoop ass" in no way implies a defensive action.

 

[Derec]

Michael Brown ordered ice on the Titanic, was caught smoking on the Hindenburg, and told Lincoln about this great play he just had to see. ""You'll die laughing"

I don't know about any of those, but he did screw up the Katrina response.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Huh? Assuming the window was open it certainly seems possible if the gun was on his left hip.

So you assume the window was open, you assume the cop is left handed. But let's keep this discussion focused on facts, shall we?

Regardless, even if the holster was on the left side, there is simply no way Brown could have "wrestled the gun out of the holster" with his head outside of the car. How would he see what he was reaching for?

Seriously this is getting stupid some of you are so determined to not allow the dead man even the smallest smidge of humanity. You can't even allow for the possibility that IF Michael Brown really did go after Officer Wilson's gun - as you want to insist he did even though you have zero evidence for this claim - his head would have to be inside the car too because then you would have to allow for the possibility that his ears would be ringing too.

The lengths you will go to in order to deny that Michael Brown was a human being is just appalling.

If the window wasn't open how was there an altercation in the first place??

 

[fromderinside]

Does nobody note the evidence for struggle inside the car is evidence of Brown on the outside of the car?

My guess is Brown resisted after he was thrown against the car by officer Krupke who had (out of protocol) already drawn his killing instrument.

 

[RavenSky]

So you assume the window was open, you assume the cop is left handed. But let's keep this discussion focused on facts, shall we?

Regardless, even if the holster was on the left side, there is simply no way Brown could have "wrestled the gun out of the holster" with his head outside of the car. How would he see what he was reaching for?

Seriously this is getting stupid some of you are so determined to not allow the dead man even the smallest smidge of humanity. You can't even allow for the possibility that IF Michael Brown really did go after Officer Wilson's gun - as you want to insist he did even though you have zero evidence for this claim - his head would have to be inside the car too because then you would have to allow for the possibility that his ears would be ringing too.

The lengths you will go to in order to deny that Michael Brown was a human being is just appalling.

If the window wasn't open how was there an altercation in the first place??

How indeed.

The young man that was with Michael Brown said that the police officer slammed his car door open, hitting Brown in the process which also caused the door to rebound back into the police officer.

I don't know if this is, in fact, what happened but you simply assume it isn't. You assume an open window, and you assume that Michael Brown had freakishly long arms, plus the ability to see inside the car with his head nowhere near the window.

 

[Arctish]

No, if it was whoop ass, then Z attacked M, which he had no right to do. But I'm glad to see you finally admitting that's what probably happened.

How so? "Whoop ass" in no way implies a defensive action.

So you really don't understands that quote? Well, I'm sorry I couldn't explain it more clearly to you. Perhaps you can find someone else who can help you with it.

You should at least understand that your use of a term (whoop ass) from a specific source (Jeantel) about a specific incident (the confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin) locks you into the definition that person uses. If you don't understand "whoop ass" as Jeantel defines it, you probably shouldn't use the term. By using it inappropriately you undermine your own points, which is kinda funny but also kinda not.

 

[Jayjay]

If the window wasn't open how was there an altercation in the first place??

How indeed.

The young man that was with Michael Brown said that the police officer slammed his car door open, hitting Brown in the process which also caused the door to rebound back into the police officer.

I don't know if this is, in fact, what happened but you simply assume it isn't. You assume an open window, and you assume that Michael Brown had freakishly long arms, plus the ability to see inside the car with his head nowhere near the window.

It's Dorian Johnson's witness statement that says the window was open. But where do you get the idea that Brown would have to have freakishly long arms to reach inside the car, or that his head was nowhere near the window?

 

[Mumbles]

How indeed.

The young man that was with Michael Brown said that the police officer slammed his car door open, hitting Brown in the process which also caused the door to rebound back into the police officer.

I don't know if this is, in fact, what happened but you simply assume it isn't. You assume an open window, and you assume that Michael Brown had freakishly long arms, plus the ability to see inside the car with his head nowhere near the window.

It's Dorian Johnson's witness statement that says the window was open. But where do you get the idea that Brown would have to have freakishly long arms to reach inside the car, or that his head was nowhere near the window?

Long enough to actually reach Wilson's gun, located on his right hip? No, he'd have to reach into the SUV, and across Wilson's torso.

So, we have our likely answer for why Brown would reach for Wilson's gun, while Brown is outside the car while Wilson was sitting inside, through the window: the gun wasn't in Wilson's holster - meaning that he had pulled his gun on Brown.

 

[Jayjay]

It's Dorian Johnson's witness statement that says the window was open. But where do you get the idea that Brown would have to have freakishly long arms to reach inside the car, or that his head was nowhere near the window?

Long enough to actually reach Wilson's gun, located on his right hip? No, he'd have to reach into the SUV, and across Wilson's torso.

So, we have our likely answer for why Brown would reach for Wilson's gun, while Brown is outside the car while Wilson was sitting inside, through the window: the gun wasn't in Wilson's holster - meaning that he had pulled his gun on Brown.

Alright, that does sound like the more probable scenario. And allegedly, that's also what Wilson testified to the Grand Jury:

Wilson said he had no choice but to draw his pistol when faced with the 'incredibly strong' teen. Brown was 6-foot-4 and nearly 300lb at the time of his death.

Wilson said he couldn't use his pepper spray in the close quarters because it would have hit him too. His baton was out of reach at the back of his belt.

In the statement Wilson told how Brown grabbed at the pistol and continued to hit him in the face.

 

[Derec]

So, we have our likely answer for why Brown would reach for Wilson's gun, while Brown is outside the car while Wilson was sitting inside, through the window: the gun wasn't in Wilson's holster - meaning that he had pulled his gun on Brown.

If Brown hit him he would have had cause to pull his gun. And if Brown went for it (as the graze wound to the thumb suggests) he would have had cause to shoot.