Middle school left transgender student alone during active shooter drill because they didn't know where to shelter her

[Thumpalumpacus]

So, in the event of a shooter entering the school, everybody is supposed to go to a locker room as opposed to ... closing the door of the room that they're already in and pushing some desks in front of it or jumping into whichever room is the closest to them or something?

What happens if a boy goes into the girls' locker room when someone comes in with a gun? Does he have to leave and wander through the hallways dodging bullets in order to get to the correct locker room or is he allowed to stay? If he's allowed to stay, then the part of the drill where everybody splits up and goes to designated rooms doesn't reflect reality and makes the drill pointless.

By the sounds of things, the fact that the people who put this drill together ended up standing around with their thumbs up their asses trying to figure out what to do with the transgendered kid is a natural extension of the idiocy and incompetence prevalent in the entire rest of the plan they came up with.

Not to mention that it isn't that hard to make a small explosive and put them in one or more of the gathering places, especially if they are designated an compulsory. It's ERU bad to have designated gathering points in the event of an attack. Also, it strikes me as possible to plan for and blockade routes to and from said gathering points. 0/10 strategic value.

Given the fact that many if not most school shootings have been students who would have direct access to this information through these drills, these are all good points.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, in the event of a shooter entering the school, everybody is supposed to go to a locker room as opposed to ... closing the door of the room that they're already in and pushing some desks in front of it or jumping into whichever room is the closest to them or something?

What happens if a boy goes into the girls' locker room when someone comes in with a gun? Does he have to leave and wander through the hallways dodging bullets in order to get to the correct locker room or is he allowed to stay? If he's allowed to stay, then the part of the drill where everybody splits up and goes to designated rooms doesn't reflect reality and makes the drill pointless.

By the sounds of things, the fact that the people who put this drill together ended up standing around with their thumbs up their asses trying to figure out what to do with the transgendered kid is a natural extension of the idiocy and incompetence prevalent in the entire rest of the plan they came up with.

Not to mention that it isn't that hard to make a small explosive and put them in one or more of the gathering places, especially if they are designated an compulsory. It's ERU bad to have designated gathering points in the event of an attack. Also, it strikes me as possible to plan for and blockade routes to and from said gathering points. 0/10 strategic value.

Given the fact that many if not most school shootings have been students who would have direct access to this information through these drills, these are all good points.

The first key to attack response procedure: it should be effective even if the attacker knows the procedure. Consequentially, this also happens to be an indictment to classification of intelligence to protect "methods"

 

[Keith&Co.]

Having these totally ineffective drills in the first place is a really weird concept, when this same funding could be going towards helping kids who

What funding?
It's done during school hours.
Teacher pay doesn't change, kids don't get paid, no materials are purchased...

It is taking time away from learning. Resources are used.

Yes, many things take away from learning, but the state that sets these requirements does not provide additional funds to meet those requirements.

So the only way these resources could be reallocated from this drill to a special-needs resource professional would be to not run the drill and dock the pay of the other teachers for the hour they did not have a drill.

But if the school has, say, 35 teachers, you'd still only get (roughly) 35 hours of pay for a professional. That's not even a week.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I'm hesitant to believe the story as it would indicate a level of ridiculous indifference towards the child that I'm not willing to accept exists in the US.

If it was a real shooting, I expect everyone would cram into the nearest space without regard to gender.

But this was a drill.

So there's time to pay attention to all the niggling little details that everyone is terrified of blowing up in their faces.
Admins in the school my wife works at have become very sensitive to the objections of parents. ANY objections. They are very gunshy about the optics.

I can readily believe that the floor monitor for that student was concentrating on herding kids, when one of the administrators objected to the girl going into the girl's room, since they've already gotten letters from parents complaining about 'don't send that little perv into my girl's bathroom.'
So the teacher sends them to the boy's bathroom. No, that's no good, we've gotten letters about that, too. That's why the kid has to be escorted daily to the ONE AND ONLY bathroom she's allowed to use, the one between the teacher's lounge and the smoking pit.
Then the teacher, knowing that the ONE AND ONLY bathroom is across the campus from their current location, past three drill monitors, puts hands on hips and stares at the admin. "Okay, where DO we put her?"

"I'll, uh, have to get back to you on that," they say, running to make sure no one's using the drill to vape in the stairway...

 

[Underseer]

I don't care how conservative you are, transgender children don't deserve to die during mass shootings


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This is utterly fucking insane.

Apparently, transgender children deserve to die during mass shootings because they might sexually assault other children, but it was OK for a known sexual predator to be placed on the Supreme Court.

And don't give me any of that shit about Kavanaugh being innocent. If Kavanaugh were innocent, that FBI investigation would not have had so many restrictions placed on it, and Republicans would not have so fiercely resisted that FBI investigation in the first place. It's obvious that Kavanaugh, the president, and Republican senators believe that Kavanaugh was guilty of the things he was accused of.

But we need to let transgender children die during mass shootings because they might do what Kavanaugh did do.

 

[Keith&Co.]

If the White House THOUGHT thatKavanaugh were innocent, that FBI investigation would not have had so many restrictions placed on it, and ...

FIFY

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

If someone kills a trans kid because of political ideology, would they ordinarily be a conservative or a liberal?

 

[Trausti]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

If someone kills a trans kid because of political ideology, would they ordinarily be a conservative or a liberal?

When has that happened?

 

[Jarhyn]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

If someone kills a trans kid because of political ideology, would they ordinarily be a conservative or a liberal?

When has that happened?

Dude, people murder trans folks for being trans all the goddamn time. It seems like 2-3 times a month I have to calm my husband down after he reads the latest one...

 

[ronburgundy]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

Conservatism is defined by fearful intolerance of anything that goes against a narrow set of norms, traditions, and "values", and that includes transgenders. Hatred of atypical sexual or gender behaviors is, by definition, a form of conservatism, and such hatred breeds indifference to harm to such people and in it's more extreme forms, willingness to cause harm to them.
Every homosexual ever attacked for being gay was attacked due to the influence of conservative sentiments.

Granted, most conservatives don't directly want to kill transgenders, but they do want to create a society where transgenders are viewed and treated as subhuman, even if that means they will suffer real physical harm as a consequence.
Sure, most conservatives will seek to punish the person who directly causes violence to transgenders, but those same conservatives will do and say things to create a social context that they know makes such acts of violence more likely.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

Well, the GOP stopped being a conservative party around 2001, so that still works.

 

[Jarhyn]

Just an observation: There is nothing actually conservative about wanting trans kids dead.

Well, the GOP stopped being a conservative party around 2001, so that still works.

Eh, conservatism since long before 2001 was pretty blatantly the MAGA party, with every intention and hope of returning to the bad old days where men were "men" who beat/raped without consequence (unless those men were BLACK)and all those "filthy degenerates" at stonewall got the jailing they "deserved".

That's more a result of the theocratic invasion of the right.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, in the event of a shooter entering the school, everybody is supposed to go to a locker room as opposed to ... closing the door of the room that they're already in and pushing some desks in front of it or jumping into whichever room is the closest to them or something?

Yup. This is total insanity. Running for shelter against a gunman makes no sense. The standard advice is run, hide, fight. Get away from the scene if you can, barricade in place if running isn't a good idea, fight if the attacker finds you anyway. There's no way the schools would go for the run option, though--having the kids flee the school would end up being such a nightmare that they wouldn't do it even if it saved lives. Thus you barricade the rooms.

Ironically, I suspect the teacher left her in the safest place had it been real! School shooters are normally familiar with the school, they would know the plan and thus where people would go. Someone who stays behind is going to be away from the pack and thus less likely to be discovered.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not to mention that it isn't that hard to make a small explosive and put them in one or more of the gathering places, especially if they are designated an compulsory. It's ERU bad to have designated gathering points in the event of an attack. Also, it strikes me as possible to plan for and blockade routes to and from said gathering points. 0/10 strategic value.

School shooters probably can't rig a remote-detonate bomb to put in a gathering place. With the level of junk calls we get you can't simply wire it to a cell phone ringer.

If I were a shooter I wouldn't blockade routes, I would position myself on them.

And what is "ERU"??

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Meanwhile, we saw in Texas that one mass shooting was prevented due to quick action taken by staff at the elementary school, keeping the shooter outside of the school. But whatev's. Mr. Contrary Opinion must be heard.

Yup. In the real world the thing most likely to stop a mass shooting is active resistance by those at the scene--and this resistance is very often unarmed.

 

[Jarhyn]

Not to mention that it isn't that hard to make a small explosive and put them in one or more of the gathering places, especially if they are designated an compulsory. It's ERU bad to have designated gathering points in the event of an attack. Also, it strikes me as possible to plan for and blockade routes to and from said gathering points. 0/10 strategic value.

School shooters probably can't rig a remote-detonate bomb to put in a gathering place. With the level of junk calls we get you can't simply wire it to a cell phone ringer.

If I were a shooter I wouldn't blockade routes, I would position myself on them.

And what is "ERU"??

To give a slippery shit answer: an annoying typo from an iPhone with a very old too-small keyboard.

 

[bilby]

Not to mention that it isn't that hard to make a small explosive and put them in one or more of the gathering places, especially if they are designated an compulsory. It's ERU bad to have designated gathering points in the event of an attack. Also, it strikes me as possible to plan for and blockade routes to and from said gathering points. 0/10 strategic value.

School shooters probably can't rig a remote-detonate bomb to put in a gathering place. With the level of junk calls we get you can't simply wire it to a cell phone ringer.

If I were a shooter I wouldn't blockade routes, I would position myself on them.

And what is "ERU"??

To give a slippery shit answer: an annoying typo from an iPhone with a very old too-small keyboard.

I am guessing you intended "VERY"?

Of course, you could also cover up your mistake and ask "What, haven't you ever used that common acronym for 'Extremely, Really, Unquestionably'?"

I might even start using that. It could be ERU convenient.