Mississippi Passes "More Dead Kids Please" bill. Texas responds w/ "hold my beer"

[ZiprHead]

From 4 years ago.

 

[ZiprHead]

The mother couldn't accept that her son might be gay. She set the child up as trans. The child is miserable. Mom gets lots of attention. "Gender affirming care." Monsterous.

Definitely taking that out of context. Grasping at straws much?

 

[Jarhyn]

Holy shit though the hyperbole about eliminating homosexuals.

It's the conservative religious government of Iran that is known for doing that by forcibly castrating them and mutilating their genitals.

And the conservative lawmakers who passed this bill sought to join them by mutilating children.

This is a textbook DARVO. The text of the law maintains legality of child genital mutilation!

It maintains the ability to force some children not to undergo puberty as their body dictates.

The only thing that the law does actually ban is the ability for someone to choose to do so for their own purposes rather than the purposes others impose.

Of course I and the trans community at large as standing by WPATH and the body of clinical standards which Oleg has Never Even Read, that the earliest ANYONE should be having their genitals modified beyond immediate medical need, or for the remediation of a painful or life threatening condition, before the age of 18.

This law, the law that is discussed in the OP, bans the right of a person to decide for themselves whether they will EVER do that, while again preserving the power to cut the genitals of children for the cosmetic interests of GOP politicians.

I don't even fucking know why.

Honestly, the conspiracies about pizza parlors and shit make more sense than that. They are well badly atrocious written and there's a plot to it even if it's garbage and written by a drunk 17-19 year old.

But it makes no sense why they want to preserve the legality of chopping on a kid's penis outside their own decisions. I just don't get it.

It reminds me of an old... Well, I'm pretty sure it was an urban legend but when I was in highschool there was a dumb rumor that hospitals gathered up foreskins from kids and harvested stem cells or whatever from them. But that would be dumb, and it sounds... Well seriously, it sounds like the pizzagate shit but about republicans.

Seriously, why though. Why do they want to cut on baby's genitals so badly?

The mother couldn't accept that her son might be gay. She set the child up as trans. The child is miserable. Mom gets lots of attention. "Gender affirming care." Monsterous.
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Definitely taking that out of context. Grasping at straws much?

It's the Jenner family. as in Caitlin Jenner. Whoever let someone that clearly twisted raise a child, and I am not talking about anything other than their vapid, money-fueled trumpstain of a life raise children, is insane. We as a society we're insane allowing that child to continue in that custody.

There certainly needed to be oversight there, but the thing that twists that situation in that direction for that family is exactly the fact that their money shields them from any kind of effective oversight, especially in light of the fact that they are being paid and make their fortunes by "entertaining" people with their public loathsomeness, a loathsomeness that is staged around a lifetime persona built for the sake of making money rather than expressing self beyond "_____ is a shitty person who has whored out their child for fame".

THAT is the fault of "reality TV" not trans. Trans was merely the shape of the weapon that was operated by the system of reality TV as focused upon the child of vapid trash.

South Park fucking nailed it in their episode where in she hit a person with her car, and everyone just rolled with her pronouns and then spent the ones being the only ones that observed she was a terrible person because she hit someone with her car.

 

[Bomb#20]

Try to keep up with the discussion. Here's the executive summary ...

Wow... I can see why you are struggling here if that is your interpretation of this thread.

Not the thread. The dozen or so posts leading up to the previous poster telling me I "have no business debating in the thread". I did not claim it was an executive summary of the other 500-odd posts. And I think you knew that.

 

[ZiprHead]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

Transgender Americans experience stigma and systemic inequality in many aspects of their lives, including education, work and health-care access, a wide-ranging Washington Post-KFF poll finds.

Many have been harassed or verbally abused. They’ve been kicked out of their homes, denied health care and accosted in bathrooms. A quarter have been physically attacked, and about 1 in 5 have been fired or lost out on a promotion because of their gender identity. They are more than twice as likely as the population at large to have experienced serious mental health struggles such as depression.

Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
“Living doesn’t hurt anymore,” said TC Caldwell, a 37-year-old Black nonbinary person from Montgomery, Ala. “It feels good to just breathe and be myself.”

Thanks, Republicans, for sticking your noses into where it doesn't belong and fucking up real people's lives.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

Transgender Americans experience stigma and systemic inequality in many aspects of their lives, including education, work and health-care access, a wide-ranging Washington Post-KFF poll finds.

Many have been harassed or verbally abused. They’ve been kicked out of their homes, denied health care and accosted in bathrooms. A quarter have been physically attacked, and about 1 in 5 have been fired or lost out on a promotion because of their gender identity. They are more than twice as likely as the population at large to have experienced serious mental health struggles such as depression.

Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
“Living doesn’t hurt anymore,” said TC Caldwell, a 37-year-old Black nonbinary person from Montgomery, Ala. “It feels good to just breathe and be myself.”

Thanks, Republicans, for sticking your noses into where it doesn't belong and fucking up real people's lives.

LINK (gifted)

 

[ZiprHead]

Thanks, Jimmy.

It's well worth the read.

I thought this part was quite interesting.:

A 62 percent majority of trans adults identify as “trans, gender non-conforming” or “trans, non-binary,” while 33 percent identify as a “trans man” or “trans woman.” Nearly half ask people to refer to them with they/them pronouns, although most say they sometimes use she/her or he/him pronouns.

So even most trans folk don't call themselves men or women.

 

[Oleg]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

Transgender Americans experience stigma and systemic inequality in many aspects of their lives, including education, work and health-care access, a wide-ranging Washington Post-KFF poll finds.

Many have been harassed or verbally abused. They’ve been kicked out of their homes, denied health care and accosted in bathrooms. A quarter have been physically attacked, and about 1 in 5 have been fired or lost out on a promotion because of their gender identity. They are more than twice as likely as the population at large to have experienced serious mental health struggles such as depression.

Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
“Living doesn’t hurt anymore,” said TC Caldwell, a 37-year-old Black nonbinary person from Montgomery, Ala. “It feels good to just breathe and be myself.”

Thanks, Republicans, for sticking your noses into where it doesn't belong and fucking up real people's lives.

Adults.

 

[ZiprHead]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

Transgender Americans experience stigma and systemic inequality in many aspects of their lives, including education, work and health-care access, a wide-ranging Washington Post-KFF poll finds.

Many have been harassed or verbally abused. They’ve been kicked out of their homes, denied health care and accosted in bathrooms. A quarter have been physically attacked, and about 1 in 5 have been fired or lost out on a promotion because of their gender identity. They are more than twice as likely as the population at large to have experienced serious mental health struggles such as depression.

Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
“Living doesn’t hurt anymore,” said TC Caldwell, a 37-year-old Black nonbinary person from Montgomery, Ala. “It feels good to just breathe and be myself.”

Thanks, Republicans, for sticking your noses into where it doesn't belong and fucking up real people's lives.

Adults.

What? Did they skip childhood???

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Thanks, Republicans, for sticking your noses into where it doesn't belong and fucking up real people's lives.

Adults.

But the issue is puberty blockers and living as the other gender, not anything irreversible.

 

[Bomb#20]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

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Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
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WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

 

[ZiprHead]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

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Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
...

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

How we conducted this survey​

The Trans Survey was conducted in English and Spanish from Nov. 10-Dec. 1, 2022, among 515 U.S. adults who identify as trans and 823 cisgender U.S. adults. Sampling, data collection, weighting and tabulation were managed by SSRS.
Random sampling methods help ensure results are representative of the trans population overall, with respondents reached through probability-based survey panels by Gallup, NORC and SSRS.

How else would you expect them to get sample subjects? It's not like there's a trans registry to access.

 

[crazyfingers]

It's not like there's a trans registry to access

Don't give the Christofascists any ideas

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

...
Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
...

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

That's a group that's small enough they would have to poll an awful lot of people to get decent statistical power.

 

[Bomb#20]

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

That's a group that's small enough they would have to poll an awful lot of people to get decent statistical power.

Trans people themselves are a group that's small enough they would have to poll an awful lot of people to get decent statistical power. They're estimated at about 0.5% of the population. To find 515 trans people by random sampling they'd need 100,000 people in their survey, which means, since typically 91% of the people pollsters call won't participate, they'd need to phone a million people. Anybody think SSRS did that? Which raises the question, how did they find 515 trans people to ask how satisfied they were? Probably either by publicizing the study and inviting trans people to contact them, or else by contacting gender care clinics and asking them to pass a message along to their patients. Either method would introduce even more biases into the results.

How we conducted this survey​

The Trans Survey was conducted in English and Spanish from Nov. 10-Dec. 1, 2022, among 515 U.S. adults who identify as trans and 823 cisgender U.S. adults. Sampling, data collection, weighting and tabulation were managed by SSRS.
Random sampling methods help ensure results are representative of the trans population overall, with respondents reached through probability-based survey panels by Gallup, NORC and SSRS.

How else would you expect them to get sample subjects?

Why on earth would you expect me to expect something different? When someone acts exactly the way you expected him to, do you think that exempts him from criticism?

It's not like there's a trans registry to access.

Exactly. So what's your point? Would peer reviewers approve a paper whose conclusions are derived from a blatantly biased data collection method, provided the authors argue that getting unbiased data is hard?

In any event, one obvious way to reduce the bias would have been to ask people not only whether they identify as trans but also whether they ever identified as trans in the past.

 

[laughing dog]

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Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

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Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
...

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

When one is polling a specific population, it makes sense to only sample from the population. In a study designed to find out about the life experiences and level of satisfaction of trans adults, it makes no sense to sample those who are not trans or who are no longer trans.

The exclusion of those who are not trans does not make the poll biased given the goals of the study. Your criticism on that point is unwarranted.

 

[ZiprHead]

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Most trans adults say transitioning made them more satisfied with their lives

(WaPo link. Sorry, I'm out of gift shares.)

...
Yet most trans adults say transitioning has made them more satisfied with their lives.
...

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

When one is polling a specific population, it makes sense to only sample from the population. In a study designed to find out about the life experiences and level of satisfaction of trans adults, it makes no sense to sample those who are not trans or who are no longer trans.

The exclusion of those who are not trans does not make the poll biased given the goals of the study. Your criticism on that point is unwarranted.

Said better than I was about to. Thanks.

 

[Bomb#20]

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

When one is polling a specific population, it makes sense to only sample from the population. In a study designed to find out about the life experiences and level of satisfaction of trans adults, it makes no sense to sample those who are not trans or who are no longer trans.

In other news, five years after coronary bypass operations the majority of patients feel it helped them, according to poll results. Patients who died before then were not included in the survey.[/s]

The exclusion of those who are not trans does not make the poll biased given the goals of the study.

Maybe not, if the goal of the study was to create a rhetorical talking point in favor of transitioning.

Your criticism on that point is unwarranted.

The goal of the study appears not to have been to give accurate information about their probable future satisfaction level to people currently considering transitioning.

 

[laughing dog]

WaPo and Kaiser appear to be relying on a self-selected sample: they classify pollees as "trans" if the pollees classify themselves that way. So the adults who transitioned but found it did not make them more satisfied with their lives, and consequently detransitioned and no longer consider themselves "trans", are not included in the headline statistic. Relying on a self-selected sample is a classic source of bias in polling.

When one is polling a specific population, it makes sense to only sample from the population. In a study designed to find out about the life experiences and level of satisfaction of trans adults, it makes no sense to sample those who are not trans or who are no longer trans.

In other news, five years after coronary bypass operations the majority of patients feel it helped them, according to poll results. Patients who died before then were not included in the survey.[/s]

Do you have a relevant point or are you just taking a piss?

Maybe not, if the goal of the study was to create a rhetorical talking point in favor of transitioning.

Or if it was just to get information about how people who identify as trans feel about their transition and to find out about their childhood.

The goal of the study appears not to have been to give accurate information about their probable future satisfaction level to people currently considering transitioning.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

 

[Emily Lake]

I'm substituting my direct experience with a doctor who knew fuck-all about my niece and still prescribed her testosterone after having spent 30 minutes with her.

Were you in the room with the niece and the physician? Your niece may have been much more honest with the doctor than she was with you. She may have been fully aware of your anti-trans views so she hid her feelings from you.

I don't have an anti-trans view, ZiprHead.

Apparently she hid her "true and honest feelings" from her mother and from her transgender sibling for her entire fucking life, as well as from everyone else in our family... But this "specialist" was able to "confirm" that all of her problems are because she's trans within a whopping 30 minutes.

Seriously, you don't know me, you don't know my family, and you sure as fuck don't know my niece - where do you get off dropping such insulting rhetoric as if you're somehow the expert on this shit? What gives you any reason at all to make the insinuation that I don't know the niece I've been around my entire fucking life... but you, some nobody on the internet, you know better and I'm just a nasty transphobe?

Don't use the tragedy of my niece's situation as some sort of twisted pawn in a game you play on the internet.

You don't seem to be much of an expert on the situation too. You're the one that said psychologists hand out drugs. I wonder what else you got wrong about the situation and how is your niece's personal life is any of your business.

I believe I said that "gender specialists" hand out drugs. You've assumed those "gender specialists" are psychologists.