Thomas II
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https://www.euronews.com/video/2023...onesia-throw-offerings-into-an-active-volcano
NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!
NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!
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Thomas II
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That's what God of the bible said to the pagans when they sacrificed to their gods, children. Hence, as its written, 'God destroyed them when they went against Him.
steve_bank
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The psychotic psychopathic Putin and Hitler are right up there with the OT god.
Learner
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What about the deciders of the atom-bomb droppings of two whole cities? Or the judges in your society that can send someone to death by lethal injection? Or are there some "acceptable" reasons in your (plural) vision for morality, justice and self-defence (as was the case for the Hebrews to defend themselves)?
DBT
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So we have a contradiction.
Thomas II
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Asherah, ancient West Semitic goddess, consort of the supreme god. Her principal epithet was probably “She Who Walks on the Sea.” She was occasionally called Elath (Elat), “the Goddess,” and may have also been called Qudshu, “Holiness.” According to texts from Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria), Asherah’s consort was El, and by him she was the mother of 70 gods. As mother goddess she was widely worshiped throughout Syria and Palestine, although she was frequently paired with Baal, who often took the place of El; as Baal’s consort, Asherah was usually given the name Baalat. Inscriptions from two locations in southern Palestine seem to indicate that she was also worshiped as the consort of Yahweh.
Learner
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The bible includes Asherah on the false god list. Those nations and worshippers of these pagans god's aren't as popular thousands of years later as the biblical God, but then I suspect that would be the case... at least from the theists pov to be fair.
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Thomas II
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https://mythologymatters.wordpress....om-the-goddess-asherah-in-the-garden-of-eden/
"Before the rise of Israel, Asherah was the wife of El, the head god of the Canaanite pantheon. According to the archeological evidence, the people who became Israelites were mostly native Canaanites who settled in the hills of what is now the West Bank, while it seems that small but influential groups also migrated there from the south in the Midian (in and around the Araba Valley in Sinai). As the Bible itself testifies, that is where Yahweh veneration appears to have originated, and, in a process that in this respect resonates with the Moses story, the migrants introduced Yahweh to the native Canaanites who were becoming Israelites. Over time, El declined and merged into Yahweh. As part of that process, Yahweh inherited Asherah from El as his wife.
The Hebrew Bible refers to Asherah directly or indirectly some 40 times, always in negative terms (so she must have been a challenge). Most references are indirect, to the asherah poles that symbolized her, but a number of them clearly enough refer directly to the goddess Asherah (e.g., Judges 3:7; 1 Kings 15:13; 1 Kings 18:19; 2 Kings 21:7; 2 Kings 23:4-7; 2 Chron. 15:16). Evidently she was part of traditional official Israelite religion, for an asherah pole even stood in front of Solomon’s Temple for most of its existence, as well as in Yahweh’s sanctuary in Samaria. There is also much extra-biblical evidence of Asherah in Israel from the time of the judges right through monarchical times, including in paintings/drawings, pendants, plaques, pottery, (possibly) clay “pillar” figurines, cult stands, and in inscriptions. Several inscriptions specifically refer to “Yahweh and his Asherah [or asherah].” (It is not entirely certain whether the goddess herself or the asherah pole symbolizing her is being referenced here, but either way ultimately the goddess is meant, and she is being linked with Yahweh.)"
excreationist
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How many times has God commanded child sacrifice? One. How many times was he serious? None......
DBT
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Wrong, what I said is based on what is written in the bible. Yahweh is described as accepting blood sacrifice, ordering genocide, killing children, etc. You know the verses.
DBT
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The killing extends beyond blood sacrifice.
excreationist
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Self defence against another nation? A continuous war against the Hebrews, til God finally judged them 'after a time' and then they were destroyed - ending it there - no more future continuous wars from them against God and His people; they had the chance not to. Just as pharaoh did when he held the Israelites...after TEN warnings which brought about the plagues to each, for not taking heed. Only finally letting the Israelites go after the Tenth warning and disaster.
God reacts to actions against Him and the Israelites, God doesn't start the conflicts!
DBT
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Kill them all, women, children, animals and all, goes way beyond self defence, and as a tribe on the path of acquiring land, pleading self defence is kind of questionable.
steve_bank
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We are talking about biblcal morality.
As you brought it up.
The Japanese enacted horrible atrocities on the Chinese. Bio warfare experiments. We do not hear about those things.
A US decision was made not to eradcate Japan if possible. It was believed from the experince on island campaigns if the emperor ordered civilians to fight to the death with pitchforks they would.
An invasion of Japan would have meant the end of Japanese culture. IMP usmg atomic wepons saved Japan from comleteanihilation and an end to Japanese people.
Compared to the totality of WWII the casualties and destruction from the atomic bombs don't even register. The fire bombing of Japan was far more horrendous and destructive than the atomic bombs. THe fire bombing of Dresden in Europe was far more horrific than the atomic bombs. People were cslowly ooked alive in the firestorm.
In contrast to the Jpanese the Ame cans and Brits were quite retained in victory. No eenslavement and punitive actions against the people. Un-biblical.
The Hebrew god was made as a reflection of the Hebrews themselves. They were as agressive and hrash as any oter culture. All the cultures justfied agression through religion and mythology.
There is an allged command rrom god to eradicate a rival group, genocide.
It is the the perennial cultural cliche of the ages, god wants us-you to do this in his, hers, its name.
Read through the 613 alleged commands from god in the OT and then tell me about biblical morality. They are online.
Learner
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Is it the number of animals that disturbs you that's being killed, or because it's a sacrifice to God, or both?
I'm guessing, it is for you.. the killing of animals presented to God. Because apparently, 80 billion animals killed each year is the modern day normality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter
excreationist
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It doesn't disturb me - I thought it was over the top and sounds like an exaggeration. Apparently it was King Solomon's idea rather than God's. In 1 Kings 3:4 he sacrificed 1,000 burnt offerings on the (one?) altar. Perhaps the 144,000 also were sacrificed on the altar. If they killed and burnt one per minute that's 100 days (going non-stop 24/7). It seems like a waste - and these days God doesn't seem to want sacrificed animals anymore anyway.
Thomas II
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https://www.euronews.com/video/2023...onesia-throw-offerings-into-an-active-volcano
This is still happening now, as we speak! Did you see that goat the guy is carrying to be hurled into the volcano in order to appease the volcano god? The primitive minds continue! Nothing has changed!
(Hopefully they are not hurling children or virgins like they used to...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human...ically intended,god of agriculture Xipe Totec.