Morality of brains

[Kharakov]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?

Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

 

[Bronzeage]

Sure it is. Why not?

Your proposals for debate depend on vaguely defined terms and unwarranted assumptions.

One might as well propose, "Resolved, reality is a insufficient basis for decisions about life."

 

[DBT]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?

Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

Expressions of the morality of Self Interest. Apparently we live in world where self interest rules.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?
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Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

That's like saying, is it moral to rain. There's no morality involved. Things in nature just happens.

 

[PyramidHead]

No, I don't believe it's moral to do any of those things. But what you're talking about isn't the immorality of brains, but the immorality of procreation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

 

[untermensche]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?

Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

Morality involves what one person does to another.

What they do to themselves is not a matter of morality but of sanity and emotional state.

It is an old stale saying but true.

Your life is what you make it. Not how you receive it.

One does not need to climb a mountain to be living a good life, merely reading a good book will do.

 

[iolo]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?

Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

Expressions of the morality of Self Interest. Apparently we live in world where self interest rules.

I don't. Does anyone except the thickoes like Trump? Most people give every appearance of living mainly for others.

 

[Malintent]

Expressions of the morality of Self Interest. Apparently we live in world where self interest rules.

I don't. Does anyone except the thickoes like Trump? Most people give every appearance of living mainly for others.

Yes, you do...

Ignorance and selfishness': Rubbish strewn on Welsh beach

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Wales 'selfish' to break away from GB - Drew Sullivan

Archbishop of Wales: Children suffer because selfish parents won't...

Britain's Most Selfish People – George Monbiot

 

[Kharakov]

No, I don't believe it's moral to do any of those things. But what you're talking about isn't the immorality of brains, but the immorality of procreation.

It's not necessarily immoral for a brain to create a subordinate consciousness that is primarily blissful (as long as it is educated properly and/or doesn't have a vote), so I don't take a hard antinatalist stance.

 

[Kharakov]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?
.
Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

That's like saying, is it moral to rain. There's no morality involved. Things in nature just happens.

If your brain (or specific structures in it) is aware that it is creating your consciousness, morality is involved... unless you are one of those "rape happens" moralists?

 

[Treedbear]

...
Morality involves what one person does to another.

What they do to themselves is not a matter of morality but of sanity and emotional state.
...

Is it immoral to view child pornagraphy in the privacy of one's own home?

 

[rousseau]

Is it moral to force a consciousness to exist every morning so that it deals with the shitty, banal details of life?

Is it moral to keep the consciousness from destroying that which forces it into existence?

Is it moral to allow other consciousnesses to exploit that consciousness's inability to escape the shackles that the brain puts upon it?

Is it moral for a being created by a brain to allow itself to be used to coerce other beings created by brains into continued servitude to corrupt brains?

I can't pretend to understand what any of this means.

 

[Kharakov]

Ok, your consciousness is created by your brain in the morning, forcing you to deal with the banal details of life. You have no choice in the matter- it just happens whether your like it or not.

Say that your neurons or other structures in your brain are aware that they create your consciousness to deal with the banal details of life.

Is it moral for them to create you to deal with the stuff they don't want to deal with?

What if they can hide their consciousness from you and make you think that you're in charge (you're an atheist)- does it make it moral then?

What if they can make you think that there is a God interacting with you who will give you bliss in heaven when you die (a white lie to create a placid worker), is it moral then?

What if they create you as a distraction from the banal details of their life. Is it moral then?

 

[rousseau]

Ok, your consciousness is created by your brain in the morning, forcing you to deal with the banal details of life. You have no choice in the matter- it just happens whether your like it or not.

Say that your neurons or other structures in your brain are aware that they create your consciousness to deal with the banal details of life.

Is it moral for them to create you to deal with the stuff they don't want to deal with?

What if they can hide their consciousness from you and make you think that you're in charge (you're an atheist)- does it make it moral then?

What if they can make you think that there is a God interacting with you who will give you bliss in heaven when you die (a white lie to create a placid worker), is it moral then?

What if they create you as a distraction from the banal details of their life. Is it moral then?

Well consciousness is an inherent property in a living thing and not created by the living thing, so your question is tantamount to asking if it's possible for a piece of caramel to bring consciousness into existence, it just doesn't happen in reality so is an irrelevant question.

Unless you want to ask: 'if we could avoid being conscious would that be more moral than bringing about consciousness'. In that case, if something isn't conscious it doesn't exist so the question is again irrelevant. If something has no consciousness then morality is irrelevant to it.

 

[Bronzeage]

...
Morality involves what one person does to another.

What they do to themselves is not a matter of morality but of sanity and emotional state.
...

Is it immoral to view child pornagraphy in the privacy of one's own home?

Is it immoral to eat a child in the privacy of one's own home? Would it be different if one had nothing to do with the killing, the butchering, or the preparation of the meal?

 

[another1]

Ok, your consciousness is created by your brain in the morning

What if consciousness enacts the brain in the morning. God only knows what the thing is doing while your brain sleeps. Probably several things.

I'd eat ANYTHING (if there were no legal repurcussions), just to be able to say I ate it. Just to be able to say you did it is my answer to your question.

 

[DBT]

Expressions of the morality of Self Interest. Apparently we live in world where self interest rules.

I don't. Does anyone except the thickoes like Trump? Most people give every appearance of living mainly for others.

Appearance only. But in reality not (there are exceptions).

What you identify with; your family, your property, your investments, your pets, your friends, etc, are a part of your self...your extended self interest.

You may be devoted to your family, business, etc, but that is in your own interest. As is your neighbourhood, town, city and so on to whatever degree you identify with these things.

Nationalism for example; my nation as opposed to your nation, or my religion as opposed to your religion. And on it goes.

 

[DrZoidberg]

That's like saying, is it moral to rain. There's no morality involved. Things in nature just happens.

If your brain (or specific structures in it) is aware that it is creating your consciousness, morality is involved... unless you are one of those "rape happens" moralists?

I'm both. I think our genetic programing is calling the shots. Which is why all humans continually do stupid shit as if it was normal.

 

[iolo]

I don't. Does anyone except the thickoes like Trump? Most people give every appearance of living mainly for others.

Yes, you do...

Ignorance and selfishness': Rubbish strewn on Welsh beach

27 pictures of shockingly selfish parking that will make ... - Wales Online

Wales 'selfish' to break away from GB - Drew Sullivan

Archbishop of Wales: Children suffer because selfish parents won't...

Britain's Most Selfish People – George Monbiot

Any clown can simply collect any quotation that includes the words 'Wails' (or whatever it is foreigners say) and 'selfish'. I think most people live mainly for their families, for whom they would if necessary die.

 

[iolo]

I don't. Does anyone except the thickoes like Trump? Most people give every appearance of living mainly for others.

Appearance only. But in reality not (there are exceptions).

What you identify with; your family, your property, your investments, your pets, your friends, etc, are a part of your self...your extended self interest.

You may be devoted to your family, business, etc, but that is in your own interest. As is your neighbourhood, town, city and so on to whatever degree you identify with these things.

Nationalism for example; my nation as opposed to your nation, or my religion as opposed to your religion. And on it goes.

I think you are muddled. I am so selfish, for instance, that I desperately want to save the world, at whatever personal cost - extended self interest to weirdoes conceivably, but according to that sort of thinking, anyone who has any connection with anything whatever must be selfish.