More Violence at a Trump Rally

[Jimmy Higgins]

By the way, when Democratic rallies had been disrupted it was from the left, not the right. Remember "bow down Bernie" and "I am not a superpredator"?

So what? Where those protesters met with violence by Bernie's or Hillary's supporters for being disruptive?

Today on "Making your opponents point for him."

 

[Tom Sawyer]

As I said, I do not condone violence, but I do not condone disrupting either.

But it is completely invalid to make the two seem equivalent by bringing up one in a thread about the other as if they're related.

 

[Terrell]

The violence is uncalled for. The police need to arrest those who commit the violence. While I do think Trump bears some responsibility for this violence as well, I think arresting him might actually improve his polls. Trump would play martyr; I suspect his followers, and those who sympathize with them would rally around him.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

Maybe they would be less disorderly if they adopted some discipline. Maybe a uniform. They could all wear the same shirts. Perhaps orange shirts to help Trump supporters recognize one another. We could refer to them as The Spraytanshirts to give them a sense of identity and pride.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Today's Raw Story has tales of more Trump Rally Violence. Its not only typical now at a Trump rally, but it seems to be almost de rigeur at Trump rallies. Meanwhile in Texas at SWSX, where Obama is scheduled to make an appearance, an open carry fanatic has vowed to tote his assault rifle to Obama's speech. Bullying and veiled threats of violence.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/sho...-in-blood-at-chaotic-trump-rally-in-st-louis/

A demonstrator at a St. Louis rally for GOP front runner Donald Trump had his face bloodied and was taken to an ambulance by police officers, according to video posted online and the New York Daily News.

The African-American man is a locally-known activist named Anthony Cage. He became a local activist against police violence and racism after the killing of unarmed black teen, Michael Brown, in 2014, by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
Cage can be seen with his hands bound by plastic ties, being taken to an ambulance by St. Louis police officers. According to reporter Junius Randolph, Cage was not under arrest and was released after his wounds were treated.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/sec...rom-horrifying-trump-rally-in-north-carolina/


Elections 2016, U.S. News

Second white-on-black assault caught on video from horrifying Trump rally in North Carolina

East Carolina University student Adedayo Adeniyi wanted to attend a rally for GOP front runner Donald Trump to see for himself the things he has been hearing and seeing in media reports, according to the New York Daily News.
But he describes what happened to him in Fayetteville, North Carolina on Wednesday night as a surreal throwback to some of the uglier points in American history. Adeniyi says he was targeted because of his race. His cell phone captured video of him being ordered and led out, then sworn at venomously by an elderly white man.
“These are presidential candidate rallies,” he told the Daily News. “I’m not at a KKK rally. The fact that I experienced hate at a candidate rally tells you everything you need to know about Donald Trump and the people that support him. People will act more hateful and racist in environments that they feel not only encouraged to do it, but accept it as normal.”
The video shows Adeniyi expressing disbelief when police officers tell him he has to leave the rally.
“Hey that’s not me, that’s them,” he can be heard saying.”I don’t even know them!”
He continues to express shock, and another person being thrown out can be heard saying, “I didn’t do shit, so let me go.”
The video shows people being detained, cuffed and led out, with one woman screaming, “Get the f*ck off me!”
As the officers are cuffing people, Trump can be heard continuing to speak in the background, until the crowd notices and starts jeering.
At the end of the video, a white man says to him, ‘Hey, f*ck you, baby, f*ck you!” and slaps him.
Adeniyi said the moment caused him to lose faith in the future of

 

[ZiprHead]

Chicago Trump rally in shambles, rally canceled, fights outside rally location.

And here I thought Obama was the divider.

 

[Derec]

It certainly is, so long as it is done using legally acceptable speech. It may not be nice, but free speech does not need to be nice.

It's not about not being nice (Trump himself is rarely nice) but about trying to prevent another person from speaking, like what happened today in Chicago.
Of course left-wing college radicals have a lot of experience shutting down speech they disagree with.

You get protesters both inside and outside the Trump rallies, and both have been met with violence from trump supporters. There have also been people kicked out and/or assaulted inside Trump rallies who were not being disruptive. They just happened to have the wrong color skin, or wore the wrong type of clothing.

What wrong type of clothing? And who was assaulted because they had "wrong skin color"? Trump supporters or protesters? If former, you might have a point. If latter, then surely they were targeted because of that and not their skin color.

So what? Where those protesters met with violence by Bernie's or Hillary's supporters for being disruptive?

No. What's your point?

To reiterate my earlier point, a bunch of right wingers did to Bernie or Hillary what the Chicago radicals did to Trump today, what would you say? In my book, trying to prevent your political opponent from speaking is flirting with fascism.
And wasn't it Chicago where left wing radicals rioted in 1968 because Democrats did not nominate McDoesn'tGovern?

 

[Rhea]

In my book, trying to prevent your political opponent from speaking is flirting with fascism.

I wonder why you keep dodging the question about the "protesters" who were not preventing anyone from speaking? The ones who were merely standing their with a non-trump tee shirt or dark skin?

Is it uncomfortable to talk about what was done to them?

 

[Derec]

I wonder why you keep dodging the question about the "protesters" who were not preventing anyone from speaking? The ones who were merely standing their with a non-trump tee shirt or dark skin?
Is it uncomfortable to talk about what was done to them?

It's not uncomfortable but what case are you referring to specifically?
The Chicago radicals did prevent Trump from speaking. One even stormed the stage.

If you think that's acceptable, do you think it would be acceptable if Trump supporters stormed a Bernie rally and forced him to cancel? Or is shutting down controversial speech only good when done by the Left?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

It's not about not being nice (Trump himself is rarely nice) but about trying to prevent another person from speaking, like what happened today in Chicago.
Of course left-wing college radicals have a lot of experience shutting down speech they disagree with.

You get protesters both inside and outside the Trump rallies, and both have been met with violence from trump supporters. There have also been people kicked out and/or assaulted inside Trump rallies who were not being disruptive. They just happened to have the wrong color skin, or wore the wrong type of clothing.

What wrong type of clothing? And who was assaulted because they had "wrong skin color"? Trump supporters or protesters? If former, you might have a point. If latter, then surely they were targeted because of that and not their skin color.

So what? Where those protesters met with violence by Bernie's or Hillary's supporters for being disruptive?

No. What's your point?

To reiterate my earlier point, a bunch of right wingers did to Bernie or Hillary what the Chicago radicals did to Trump today, what would you say? In my book, trying to prevent your political opponent from speaking is flirting with fascism.
And wasn't it Chicago where left wing radicals rioted in 1968 because Democrats did not nominate McDoesn'tGovern?

No, there were peaceful demonstrations and the police attacked the demonstrators violently for no good reason.

August 28, 1968 came to be known as the day a "police riot" took place. The title of "police riot" came out of the Walker Report, which amassed a great deal of information and eyewitness accounts to determine what happened in Chicago.^[20]

As for Trump, it has been the Trump supporters so far who have been the perps when it comes to violence, given tacit, or more han tacit approval from Trump himself. Nobody else has violence at their rallies, just Trump.

I suspect that Trump will see protesters at every rally now, by protesters knowing full well that this violence will continue, making Trump look unpresidential and ending his election chances long term. Here in Chicago, there are lots of Latinos upset at Trump's open bigotry. They showed up to demonstrate their anger and this is what happens when somebody like Trump adopts open bigotry and provocative language to attract attention, which Trump has recently admitted is his purposeful method of gaining attention. Like Ann Coulter, Trump thrives on this sort of behavior, but it has a price he will pay from hereon out, I strongly suspect.

The protesters do not have to initiate any violence, Trump's supporters and security guards do that all by themselves, its now a regular part and feature of any Trump rally. All they have to do is exist and bring cameras. Being escorted roughly out of a TYrump rally for being black certainly won't win him many votes from minorities.

Trump has thrown down the gauntlet and it has been picked up. He's a divider with a tin ear and he's going to pay for it.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Chicago Trump rally in shambles, rally canceled, fights outside rally location.

And here I thought Obama was the divider.

On the other hand, Trump managed to unite almost the entire student population of UIC against him.

 

[Derec]

Donald Trump responds with a tweet.
Non-violent protests my ass!

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Donald Trump responds with a tweet.
Non-violent protests my ass!

1. You don't know which person specifically assaulted the officer.
2. It's illogical to assume that all of the liberal protestors would have done the same thing even if it was a liberal protestor who committed the assault.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Protesters have also interrupted Sanders and Clinton rallies, but what's different is that there was no violence.

It is fair and sensible, when discussing an issue, to focus on that issue narrowly. In this case, the issue is the violence that occurs at Trump rallies.

Why at his and no one else's?
What is it about Trump's campaign that has brought out violence and vehemence in both his supporters and protesters?
When was the last time this happened in an American Presidential campaign with such frequency? I really don't know the answer to that question, so if someone else does, please inform us.

Another interesting aspect is the appeal of authoritarianism. People are still so vulnerable to it. But that's another matter.

 

[repoman]

Did George Wallace's campaign have violence from its supporters?

I think that this should be on a Trump satirical ad...

 

[maxparrish]

One has to have equal measures of skepticism on the accuracy of most of these reports. Given the level of anger on both sides, and the inevitable "he said-she said" dispute over what happens in the middle of a huge convention hall its not realistic to assume we know the all the facts.

HOWEVER, one does not need to get into the weeds on each incident in order to draw some general conclusions.

First, clearly Trump rallies do attract and/or inspire violence. The mix of aggressive protesters and Trump's angry true believers is a mix that is sure to cause trouble. In my experience, when anyone attacks Trump the true believers take as an assault on them. They get very angry that anyone is there to interrupt or demean their rally, as angry as any Muslim gets over insulting the prophet.

Second, most of these rallys are in rented forums and halls, so they are private. Protesters do not have a right to be there, and can be bodily removed. It's not a free speech issue, except in so far as protesters are often their to disrupt Trumps free speech.

Third, more often than not at least some Trump's followers want to be part of that removal - they don't wish to wait for security. As such people are grabbed, fists fly, etc. These are working class folk, and a little physical violence is not unfamiliar to them...and they are not smart enough (or in control of their emotions) to let others take care of it.

Last, and most important, some folks are missing the bigger picture. This is turning into an echo of Chicago of 68 - thousands shut down Trump's rally and a similar effort was made in St. Louis. Moreover, even the right-wing is immersed in bitter disputes over the violence, as one of Brietbart's reporters was assaulted by Trumps campaign manager at a rally (who lamely explained that he would not have done so if he had known she was BB's reporter).

Brietbart, a big Trump supporter, has been cowardly, and unable to decide if it is going to defend its own reporter or not. Consequently, their spokesperson has quit in protest, and staff is badly divided with management over 'stepping up' to defend her. In the meantime, Trump and his manager have been relentlessly smearing the reporter with ever more absurd excuses.

Stay tuned...as the right falls apart...

 

[RavenSky]

That guy should not have punched the other guy, but he was only there to be disruptive, so I cannot summon too much outrage here.
One asshole hitting another.

Firstly, if anyone's rally needs to be disrupted, it's Trump's. Secondly, the protestor was walking out in an entirely non-violent and compliant manner. Why does that deserve to be met with violence, much less a cowardly sucker punch?

because he is black

 

[arkirk]

What do you expect at a racist freak show anyway?

 

[Derec]

because he is black

Wrong. Try again. How about because he was a disruptive asshole.

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What do you expect at a racist freak show anyway?

True. I expect #BLM racists to try to shut down everybody they disagree with because they are a totalitarian bunch. After all, one of their rallying cries is #shutitdown.

 

[Derec]

Protesters have also interrupted Sanders and Clinton rallies, but what's different is that there was no violence.

Those were from the far left again, i.e. for Democrat rallies it was from the same side of the political spectrum.

What is it about the far left that seeks to disrupt people they disagree with?

It is fair and sensible, when discussing an issue, to focus on that issue narrowly. In this case, the issue is the violence that occurs at Trump rallies.

The issue is left wing radicals trying to disrupt and shut down his rallies. That is not acceptable behavior and should be denounced.
Imagine if thousands of right wingers tried to shut down a Bernie or Hillary rally.