More Violence at a Trump Rally

[Derec]

No, there were peaceful demonstrations and the police attacked the demonstrators violently for no good reason.

Yeah right, and Ferguson protesters were "peaceful" too. Throwing rocks and concrete blocks at police is not very "peaceful" ...

As for Trump, it has been the Trump supporters so far who have been the perps when it comes to violence, given tacit, or more han tacit approval from Trump himself. Nobody else has violence at their rallies, just Trump.

He was the only one who had his rallies disrupted by radicals from the other side. The disruptors at Hillary and Bernie rallies were fellow left wingers.

I suspect that Trump will see protesters at every rally now, by protesters knowing full well that this violence will continue, making Trump look unpresidential and ending his election chances long term.

Typical left wing tactic to deny political opponents a chance to speak. The left wing has been doing this at college campuses for decades.

Here in Chicago, there are lots of Latinos upset at Trump's open bigotry.

What open bigotry? Wanting to deport illegals is not bigotry. Wanting to control borders is not bigotry. I think it's a very dangerous development that being hispanic has been linked to support for illegal hispanic immigration, especially through the porous southern border.

They showed up to demonstrate their anger and this is what happens when somebody like Trump adopts open bigotry and provocative language to attract attention, which Trump has recently admitted is his purposeful method of gaining attention. Like Ann Coulter, Trump thrives on this sort of behavior, but it has a price he will pay from hereon out, I strongly suspect.

Trump most certainly has a point on illegal immigration. Coddling illegals is wrong on many levels. And being angry does not give these pro-illegals a right to disrupt anybody.

The protesters do not have to initiate any violence, Trump's supporters and security guards do that all by themselves, its now a regular part and feature of any Trump rally. All they have to do is exist and bring cameras. Being escorted roughly out of a TYrump rally for being black certainly won't win him many votes from minorities.

They are being escorted out for being disruptive, not for being black or latino or whatever.
Do you really think being disruptive should be tolerated? That security should not escort disruptors out of political rallies? Should Bernie also tolerate if any Trump supporters show up and start yelling "Fuck you you commie bastard" or something similar?

Trump has thrown down the gauntlet and it has been picked up. He's a divider with a tin ear and he's going to pay for it.

As opposed to #BLM and proponents of illegal immigration who are the uniters in your book?

 

[bleubird]

FFS. He has openly advocated violence!How can anyone defend this THUG?

 

[Derec]

FFS. He has openly advocated violence!How can anyone defend this THUG?

I am not defending violence. But disrupting rallies, seeking to #shutitdown, is not all right either.

 

[credoconsolans]

FFS. He has openly advocated violence!How can anyone defend this THUG?

I am not defending violence. But disrupting rallies, seeking to #shutitdown, is not all right either.

Only a few have #shutitdown. The rest have been peaceful protestors.

Trump has been caught on camera about half a dozen times encouraging violence against those that disagree with him, but after the police arrested the Trump supporter who sucker punched the protester who was leaving the rally, suddenly Trump's campaign organizers are doing 180 degree lie "Trump does not encourage violence".

It boggles the mind that they say such things when we have it on camera Trump doing the exact opposite.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I can't wait to hear the conservolibertarian excuses for this one!

Libertarians oppose Trump.

You are mad that we aren't delivering the vote like you want us to. We're not voting for your favorite Republican, sorry.

Ironically many libertarians find themselves liking Bernie, in spite of not wanting to like him. So that's two reasons we're not voting for your precious Republicans.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

As of recent, Trump supporters within the rallies have been physically attacking people who have NOT been initiating violence and sometimes have been escorted out of the rallies for being black, not protesting. Trump has approved of such actions, and its now going to come back to haunt him.

And it is his inflammatory speeches that have made sure he will in fact have protesters at his rallies now, everywhere he goes.

This is how reality works.

Again, we don't see this sort of crap at rallies for Bernie, Clinton, or others. Rubio seems to have a problem getting anybody to even attend his rallies. But Donald Trump will have a rough time of it from now til November. He has sown the wind and now shall reap the whirlwind. And he has nobody to blame but himself for vocally encouraging his supporters to behave badly.

Just this morning on Raw Story News, we read that a psychotic white male has murdered three of his neighbors because one of them did not speak English. Hateful tales like this are now common enough, there is a sickness in this nation, and for better or worse, Trump is now becoming part of the problem, not part of the solution, with his blustering and bullying language.

Trump seems stunned by all of this, he can't bring himself to demand his followers stop attacking people. I predict this will become a big issue that will probably doom Trump and the GOP is going to be badly hurt by all of this. The GOP because of its racism has already resoundingly lost black American voters and is working on losing Hispanics, and younger voters, Trump is becoming the poster boy for all of this ugliness.

The golem of xenophobia, racism and ultra-conservatism has been awakened and is going to help destroy its creators.
These things can always be expected to spiral out of control and leave lingering bitterness behind. Sorry kids, but that is how reality works.

Trump may well be the GOP candidate, but eventually will lose, and the GOP will fracture into regional parties. The GOP has been building up to this for years, Trump is just the final inevitable conclusion to this pattern of behavior.

I suspect that from henceforth, the main question for politicians and parties will come to be, how can we end this sort of racial and xenophobic ugliness in America.

 

[ronburgundy]

The protesters engaged in legal free speech. Trump didn't like that, so he cancelled the event. No one has the right to be the only person allowed to speak.

In fact, it is quite plausible that Trump set the whole thing up for publicity and to be able to whine they they "shut him down". Why hold it in Chicago? Most of his supporters there were from way outside Chicago and even bused in from other states. Unless his team are raging idiots, they knew that if they held a rally in Chicago on a college campus that thousands of protesters would be there. The police said that there was little conflict until after Trump cancelled. So, he wan't forced to cancel due to violence, but chose to cancel because the protesters he knew would show up showed up.

 

[Derec]

The protesters engaged in legal free speech.

Trespassing is not legal free speech. Disorderly conduct is not legal free speech.

And Trump has as much a right to hold an event in Chicago as anybody else. It is disgraceful that the radicals who shut him down are celebrated by the left as some kind of heroes.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

The protesters engaged in legal free speech.

Trespassing is not legal free speech. Disorderly conduct is not legal free speech.

And Trump has as much a right to hold an event in Chicago as anybody else. It is disgraceful that the radicals who shut him down are celebrated by the left as some kind of heroes.

The Chicago demonstrators did not tresspas on Trumps venue. Sorry, but tht libel don't fly.
And the disorderly conduct of Trump supporters isn't legal either, is it?

And those who hold out Toxic Trump as a hero aren't right either are they?

Again, for better or worse, you kick people in the teeth enough, they are going to react. Again, this is reality. Donald kicked the dragon and the dragon is awakening. Sorry if that pisses you off Derec, but in the real world, this is how things work. Henceforth, Trump is going to be on a short leash. If he keeps on being provocative, he's going to lose big.

 

[maxparrish]

Today's Raw Story has tales of more Trump Rally Violence. Its not only typical now at a Trump rally, but it seems to be almost de rigeur at Trump rallies. Meanwhile in Texas at SWSX, where Obama is scheduled to make an appearance, an open carry fanatic has vowed to tote his assault rifle to Obama's speech. Bullying and veiled threats of violence.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/sho...-in-blood-at-chaotic-trump-rally-in-st-louis/

A demonstrator at a St. Louis rally for GOP front runner Donald Trump had his face bloodied and was taken to an ambulance by police officers, according to video posted online and the New York Daily News.

The African-American man is a locally-known activist named Anthony Cage. He became a local activist against police violence and racism after the killing of unarmed black teen, Michael Brown, in 2014, by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
Cage can be seen with his hands bound by plastic ties, being taken to an ambulance by St. Louis police officers. According to reporter Junius Randolph, Cage was not under arrest and was released after his wounds were treated.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/sec...rom-horrifying-trump-rally-in-north-carolina/


Elections 2016, U.S. News

As I have made clear in this forum, I loath Donald Trump as much (or more) than Hillary Clinton. However, he is not responsible for the potential and/or real violence caused by Trump hating protesters crashing (or threatening to crash) a private event for Trump supporters.

The moral blame is obvious. In St. Louis protesters crashed the event, and the rally was repeatedly interrupted by their antics. The police dept arrested 31 miscreants, and charged them (along with someone outside the event charged with assault). Trump mocked and ridiculed the protesters, expressing his usual "populist" contempt for "troublemakers" who need to go home for mommy, or go and get a job...adding to the circus.

In Chicago, the hecklers looked to be so threatening that Trump canceled the event.

It really does not matter how Bernie or Hillary would react - (as I recall, the first time it happened to Bernie the protesters just took over and he stood helplessly by). The protesters are their to shut down Trumps free speech, and threaten (and chill) Trump supporters right of assembly. The goon tactics are just another form of heckler's veto to intimidate and violate other's constitutional rights.

As such, the moral onus is on the protesters. Should a few Trumpians, in defense of their rights, blacken a few eyes or inflict a few bumps on the heads of the left-wing brown shirts...that is within their moral rights.

It's nothing more than the same treatment a bouncer gives at a bar when a patron gets out of hand - just "a little muscle" to throw the bums out.

 

[maxparrish]

Trespassing is not legal free speech. Disorderly conduct is not legal free speech.

And Trump has as much a right to hold an event in Chicago as anybody else. It is disgraceful that the radicals who shut him down are celebrated by the left as some kind of heroes.

The Chicago demonstrators did not tresspas on Trumps venue. Sorry, but tht libel don't fly.
And the disorderly conduct of Trump supporters isn't legal either, is it?

And those who hold out Toxic Trump as a hero aren't right either are they?

Again, for better or worse, you kick people in the teeth enough, they are going to react. Again, this is reality. Donald kicked the dragon and the dragon is awakening. Sorry if that pisses you off Derec, but in the real world, this is how things work. Henceforth, Trump is going to be on a short leash. If he keeps on being provocative, he's going to lose big.

How is that? Presumably he rented the campus facilities he was going to use in Chicago. And presumably he rented the Opera House in St. Louis. Therefore he has the rights of a renter to treat it as private.

PS - Don't be so sure on the provocative...this may have made Trump stronger. In the minds of many, it only confirms that the left is opposed to making america great again, and are the real threat to liberty.

 

[ronburgundy]

The protesters engaged in legal free speech.

Trespassing is not legal free speech. Disorderly conduct is not legal free speech.

What % of the protesters have been convicted or illegal trespass or disorderly conduct?
They did not Trespass. It was government property and they signed up for tickets like everyone else. There was very little disordly conduct prior to Trump cancelling the rally and most of it was caused by his supporters.

And Trump has as much a right to hold an event in Chicago as anybody else.

He has that right, and Chicagoans have ever right to tell him what a bigot he is, which is all they did. I didn't say, he didn't have the right, but that it was either moronic of him or he deliberately and calculated the whole thing, planning to cancel when the predictable protesters showed up.

It is disgraceful that the radicals who shut him down are celebrated by the left as some kind of heroes.

The didn't shut him down. He ran like a coward from verbal disagreement. The cops deny any indication of danger that warranted the cancellation. What is a disgrace is intentionally inciting people to racist violence as Trump did just that morning in St. Louis. Wisely, his supporters realized that wouldn't fare so well in Chicago.

 

[ronburgundy]

The Chicago demonstrators did not tresspas on Trumps venue. Sorry, but tht libel don't fly.
And the disorderly conduct of Trump supporters isn't legal either, is it?

And those who hold out Toxic Trump as a hero aren't right either are they?

Again, for better or worse, you kick people in the teeth enough, they are going to react. Again, this is reality. Donald kicked the dragon and the dragon is awakening. Sorry if that pisses you off Derec, but in the real world, this is how things work. Henceforth, Trump is going to be on a short leash. If he keeps on being provocative, he's going to lose big.

How is that? Presumably he rented the campus facilities he was going to use in Chicago. And presumably he rented the Opera House in St. Louis. Therefore he has the rights of a renter to treat it as private.

And he invited the general public and anyone who signed up for a free entry ticket. Thus, they were all invited.

 

[maxparrish]

How is that? Presumably he rented the campus facilities he was going to use in Chicago. And presumably he rented the Opera House in St. Louis. Therefore he has the rights of a renter to treat it as private.

And he invited the general public and anyone who signed up for a free entry ticket. Thus, they were all invited.

While we have no idea what the terms and conditions were of (or printed on) the ticket (or what the ticket holder signed) it still remains true that if the renter wishes you to leave immediately, and you don't, then its within his/her rights to toss you out.

Given that neither the protesters, much of the left, nor the authoritarian Trump, truely support free speech its not easy to side with Trump. None the less, even the proto fascists have the right of free speech and assembly - it would be nice to see someone support that.

PS - “It has been our standard practice for decades to rent available space on campus to any political candidate when requested,” UIC chancellor Michael Amiridis explained in a statement sent to students this weekend. “As a result, we have a long history of campaign events on campus, and no legal basis to exclude any candidate because of the views he or she expresses.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/10/s...k-out-over-chicago-trump-rally/#ixzz42isRXLvq

So it seems he did rent out the Chicago facilities.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Given that neither the protesters, much of the left, nor the authoritarian Trump, truely support free speech its not easy to side with Trump. None the less, even the proto fascists have the right of free speech and assembly - it would be nice to see someone support that.

Their right to free speech and assembly has not been infringed. The problem is that right is a double-edged sword since it ALSO applies to the people who show up to protest them.

Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you have a right not to be bombarded with dissenting opinions. This is the same confusion that comes from the discussion about self-censorship and media backlash against hatespeech. Yes, a white supremacist has the right to go on national television and launch a tirade about how much he hates niggers, but he can't complain when everyone else in the country -- including the producers of the TV show -- join hands together in calling him an asshole.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

That guy should not have punched the other guy,

Period.

but he was only there to be disruptive, so I cannot summon too much outrage here.

Did he or did he not have a right to be there? Does he or does he not have a right to not be molested when exercising his right to be there? And understand, this is not two guys in a face to face fight. This a guy sucker punching another guy. That is the act of a coward and a sneak.

One asshole hitting another.

Wrong again, but you get points for consistency.

By the way, I do not think there have been instances of Trump supporters disturbing Hillary or Bernie events. It seems the bad behavior is starting with left-wing disruptors.

And the streak continues.

 

[Angry Floof]

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[AthenaAwakened]

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[Cheerful Charlie]

Again we see violence at the Trump rallies. Not at rallies by Sanders, Clinton, Rubio, Cruz or Kasich. It is beside the point to argue if the protesters or Trump is more righteous than the other. When you are a king sized asshole like Trump, an asshole like that is going to get pushback and protest. When you give verbal encouragm ent to violent behavior, there will be violent behavior, which in turn will generate more protest and thus more anti-protester violence.

Yes, many Trump supporters will gargle and cheer loudly when some 78 year old hick sucker punches a black man, but many more will not be cheering come November. I suspect Trump will see many more protesters with cameras, helping Trump commit political suicide, willing to be human punching bags to take him down overall by November.

Trump started playing a dangerous game, but the protesters are changing the rules on Trump. One thing is sure, Trump should not try to rent speaking space at any Universities any more.

 

[maxparrish]

Given that neither the protesters, much of the left, nor the authoritarian Trump, truely support free speech its not easy to side with Trump. None the less, even the proto fascists have the right of free speech and assembly - it would be nice to see someone support that.

Their right to free speech and assembly has not been infringed. The problem is that right is a double-edged sword since it ALSO applies to the people who show up to protest them.

Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you have a right not to be bombarded with dissenting opinions. This is the same confusion that comes from the discussion about self-censorship and media backlash against hatespeech. Yes, a white supremacist has the right to go on national television and launch a tirade about how much he hates niggers, but he can't complain when everyone else in the country -- including the producers of the TV show -- join hands together in calling him an asshole.

Apparently you are not familiar with the Constitutional and philosophical basis of the right of free speech. It is a commonly known that the constitutional guarantee of free speech is a guarantee only against the abridgment of speech by government. As such, on any public property a person enjoys this right (however, this right does not apply if it interferes with the use/function of that public property and government may impose reasonable time, place, and manner regulations on the properties use).

However, when government owned facilities are rented to a private group, that property is temporarily in possession of another for that group's exclusive use. Quite aside from the government's right to regulate who uses their facilities, the private group also has the right to control speech within the confines of their lawful possession. In fact, if someone makes wrongful or unauthorized entry OR refuses to leave the real estate in the lawful possession of another, they can be arrested for criminal trespass.

Protesters have no privileged entry, and can be required to leave at any time for any purpose. If they do not, they can be subject to criminal penalty and monetary damages.