Multiple casualties at Pittsburgh synagogue - Shooter says "All these Jews need to die"

[Max Rockatansky]

Have I mentioned the North Hollywood shootout? Multiple "good guys with a gun" on scene within seconds. 45 minutes later...

So, out of millions of lawful gun-owners, you want to ban guns, or "some" guns, because of one asshole?

Serious question, Max...

How many gallons of guzzoline and diesel would you need to get that rig back to the compound and hook it up to that fat tanker?

First, smart people know not to mix "guzzoline" and diesel.

Second, how can someone who posts sarcasm and "serious question" in the same post be taken seriously?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Have I mentioned the North Hollywood shootout? Multiple "good guys with a gun" on scene within seconds. 45 minutes later...

So, out of millions of lawful gun-owners, you want to ban guns, or "some" guns, because of one asshole?

No, I just want you to be honest with yourself, that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of 2nd amendment rights.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Have I mentioned the North Hollywood shootout? Multiple "good guys with a gun" on scene within seconds. 45 minutes later...

So, out of millions of lawful gun-owners, you want to ban guns, or "some" guns, because of one asshole?

No, I just want you to be honest with yourself, that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of 2nd amendment rights.

Awesome phrasing, but a false equivalency since my Second Amendment rights, and more to the point, my natural unalienable right of self-defense, didn't kill those people.

LWers are blaming Trump's rhetoric on inflaming the nutjobs. Be honest with yourself, "that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of <1st> amendment rights". See how that works? Would you answer the same question put to you regarding the 1st Amendment as you did to me?

Again, despite the meme being spread by the anti-gun Left that the US has a "gun problem", the fact remains banning guns wouldn't cure mental illness nor solve gang and criminal problems. It'd simply chip away at the Constitutional limits on the Federal government.

 

[marc]

Would you answer the same question put to you regarding the 1st Amendment as you did to me?

Interesting, as the 1st Amendment DOES have restrictions. Libel, slander, inciting violence are a few of the restrictions put on 1st amendment rights. But the RWers try to argue for no restrictions at all on the 2nd. The amendment itself states it is in the context of a "well regulated militia", but RWers never talk about militias, or that they have to be regulated according to the amendment.

the fact remains banning guns wouldn't cure mental illness nor solve gang and criminal problems. It'd simply chip away at the Constitutional limits on the Federal government.

And no one on the left is claiming that gun regulation would resolve mental illness or gang violence. But I would rather gangs and the violent mentally ill be armed with knives and clubs rather thank AR-15s. Wouldn't you? Or do you think it should be AR-15's for everybody!!

 

[Elixir]

.... RWers try to argue for no restrictions at all on the 2nd.

... but the News Media are to blame for violence for criticizing Agent Orange, and they "better knock it off".
Someone needs to explain to him and his enablers, why #1 comes before #2.

I would rather gangs and the violent mentally ill be armed with knives and clubs rather thank AR-15s. Wouldn't you? Or do you think it should be AR-15's for everybody!!

Nukes all around! Party time!

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Would you answer the same question put to you regarding the 1st Amendment as you did to me?

Interesting, as the 1st Amendment DOES have restrictions. Libel, slander, inciting violence are a few of the restrictions put on 1st amendment rights. But the RWers try to argue for no restrictions at all on the 2nd. The amendment itself states it is in the context of a "well regulated militia", but RWers never talk about militias, or that they have to be regulated according to the amendment.

the fact remains banning guns wouldn't cure mental illness nor solve gang and criminal problems. It'd simply chip away at the Constitutional limits on the Federal government.

And no one on the left is claiming that gun regulation would resolve mental illness or gang violence. But I would rather gangs and the violent mentally ill be armed with knives and clubs rather thank AR-15s. Wouldn't you? Or do you think it should be AR-15's for everybody!!

Yeah, and I can't fire my AK into a crowd. Yes, the restrictions are to prevent harm to others.....or are you saying the 1st Amendment should be banned because some assclowns use it to harm others?

Disagreed, that's exactly what they are dancing around such as your "AR-15" comment. How many people use an AR to commit suicide or a crime compared to handguns. Aren't you really suggesting that handguns be banned? Aren't they the real threat in the LW world of a "gun problem"? Are you suggesting that banning all handguns would have stopped Robin Williams from committing suicide? Anthony Bourdain? For young people "Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for 15 to 24-year-olds and 2nd for 24 to 35-year-olds". "About 2/3 of people who complete suicide are depressed at the time of their deaths. Depression that is untreated, undiagnosed, or ineffectively treated is the number 1 cause of suicide." https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-suicide

If you or any LW anti-gunner were truly interested in saving lives, you'd focus on mental health care and try to save over 44,000 lives every year. Let's not forget that for everyone one of those suicides, another 25 are attempting suicide.

 

[marc]

It is a favorite straw man of the right that gun control advocates all want to ban all guns. Stable, law abiding people can keep their guns, that is not an issue.
And the left would love to do something about mental health care. It is the right that prevents helping mental health care. Hell, they keep trying to cut back on all kinds of health care.
Funny how that works. Cut mental health care, and remove restrictions on gun purchases, then we somehow end up with a lot more shootings. Almost like there is a connection there somehow.

 

[RavenSky]

banning guns

Awesome phrasing, but a false equivalency since no one here has suggested "banning guns" or the 2A

 

[Max Rockatansky]

... I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

Dude, this is why I don't trust the anti-gun lobby to make rational decisions regarding gun bans: the AR-15 and AK-47 didn't exist in WWII. Additionally, most weapons used in war are fully automatic, most in the US are not...and if they are, it's very, very costly to buy and own them.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

banning guns

Awesome phrasing, but a false equivalency since no one here has suggested "banning guns"

Dude, you don't read your own thread, do you?

...The only answer is to get rid of all guns....

Anti-American foreigners aside, most American LWers are smart enough to avoid putting it into those exact words. So, if, as you claim, you're against banning guns, what is your solution to the LW's perception of a US "gun problem"?

...It's not unreasonable to look at restricting the weapons

No, I just want you to be honest with yourself, that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of 2nd amendment rights.

... I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

...He was reportedly armed with an AR-15 style weapon, along with at least 2 handguns.

Another "good guy with a gun"

 

[Ford]

banning guns

Awesome phrasing, but a false equivalency since no one here has suggested "banning guns"

Max seems to be one of those types who only sees 2 alternatives. Either you think the 2nd Amendment means no restrictions on guns whatsoever, or OMG left wing SJWs want to take all guns away, melt them down, and form them into a giant statue of Mel Gibson. Or Tom Hardy if you prefer. Of course you don't want to mix guzzoline and diesel, but that was never the point. The juice, the precious juice, is for the interceptor (last of the V8s!) and the diesel is for the rig. But I digress...

There's a wide middle ground when it comes to regulation of firearms. Wide enough to fly a gyro copter over, actually. We already have restrictions on firearms. Automatic weapons aren't fully banned, but obtaining one is expensive and carries heavy restrictions. We could expand those rules to other types of firearms. Or (as many have suggested and it makes sense) we could treat guns like automobiles. Require a minimum level of training, licensing, and insurance along with restrictions on capacity (speed limits, if you will) and making sure that each gun sale and each gun is tracked. Violating any of these restrictions could lead to fines or even jail time.

Would this lead to banning guns? Well ask yourself this...have all these restrictions on cars led to a wasteland where roaming gangs of thugs terrorize the civilian population and lay siege to small refineries? No. Cars are ubiquitous, and requiring licensing and insurance is not an undue burden. The requirements to buy and operate a car aren't at all like a school bus used as a gate behind which a prize is waiting...no, they're just part of life.

We don't need another hero, we just need sensible firearms restrictions.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

banning guns

Awesome phrasing, but a false equivalency since no one here has suggested "banning guns"

Max seems to be one of those types who only sees 2 alternatives....

As big of a false narrative as @RavenSky posted. Instead of just assuming and spreading bullshit accusations, why don't you propose a middle ground solution so we can discuss it? Obviously none of the anti-gun LWers want to discuss the true problem which is a lack of mental health care and the legislation to back it up along with the crime infesting LW cities such as LA, Chicago and NY.

 

[RavenSky]

Dude, you don't read your own thread, do you?

Anti-American foreigners aside, most American LWers are smart enough to avoid putting it into those exact words. So, if, as you claim, you're against banning guns, what is your solution to the LW's perception of a US "gun problem"?

...It's not unreasonable to look at restricting the weapons

No, I just want you to be honest with yourself, that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of 2nd amendment rights.

... I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

...He was reportedly armed with an AR-15 style weapon, along with at least 2 handguns.

Another "good guy with a gun"

You need to read with comprehension.

Neither Patooka nor Jimmy Higgins nor me nor anyone else here has called for a banning of guns. It appears that you are simply regurgitating the NRA false narrative. Perhaps if you bothered to actually listen to our concerns, instead of insisting on repeating the NRA lies, you might learn something:

It is a favorite straw man of the right that gun control advocates all want to ban all guns. Stable, law abiding people can keep their guns, that is not an issue.
And the left would love to do something about mental health care. It is the right that prevents helping mental health care. Hell, they keep trying to cut back on all kinds of health care.
Funny how that works. Cut mental health care, and remove restrictions on gun purchases, then we somehow end up with a lot more shootings. Almost like there is a connection there somehow.

 

[Elixir]

...none of the anti-gun LWers want to discuss the true problem which is a lack of mental health care and the legislation to back it up

I'd be happy to discuss it. Let's start here:

Trump's one piece of gun-related legislation undid restrictions aimed at mental illness

 

[RavenSky]

Max seems to be one of those types who only sees 2 alternatives....

... Instead of just assuming and spreading bullshit accusations, why don't you propose a middle ground solution so we can discuss it?

I like how Max just deletes and ignores the fact that Ford (and Marc and multiple other people) DID post some "middle ground solutions".

 

[Ford]

Instead of just assuming and spreading bullshit accusations, why don't you propose a middle ground solution so we can discuss it?

The solution is simple. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's Thunderdome.

Or you could just read my post again.

 

[Patooka]

... I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

Dude, this is why I don't trust the anti-gun lobby to make rational decisions regarding gun bans: the AR-15 and AK-47 didn't exist in WWII. Additionally, most weapons used in war are fully automatic, most in the US are not...and if they are, it's very, very costly to buy and own them.

Bear with me here genius.
I know that the Armalite model wasn't manufactured during the Second World War. Still on the same page? Good. I also know the Armalite model wasn't unlicensed until Colt Firearms went under. (see: bankruptcy). After which, their patents kinda went by the wayside, to coin a phrase.
And just so we are on the same page here, I'm almost certain when I talk about "beaches of Normandy", I am almost certain you interpret that as "Saving Private Ryan", with US soldiers using M-1s and not a single Springlfield in sight. I don't know what your day in the life is. But I'm pretty certain you don't need 8 rounds of 0.30in to stop on by and get a glass of milk.

And if that isn't argument enough here it is: Your fucking grandfather fought and killed the most vile aspects of humanity with equipment far, far, far inferior than the weapons you are advocating to be on the public market. And they did it day to day. Why do you think a breach loading 12 gauge (I honestly believe a 20 or even a 0.410 would do the job but I can compromise) is not enough for protection?

 

[Max Rockatansky]

You need to read with comprehension.....

Sorry, due, but I can never trust a person who is so blatantly dishonest, they edit out a post proving they are wrong then insult me with a comment that I can't "read with comprehension". Good luck, kid.

...The only answer is to get rid of all guns....

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... I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

Dude, this is why I don't trust the anti-gun lobby to make rational decisions regarding gun bans: the AR-15 and AK-47 didn't exist in WWII. Additionally, most weapons used in war are fully automatic, most in the US are not...and if they are, it's very, very costly to buy and own them.

Bear with me here genius.
I know that the Armalite model wasn't manufactured during the Second World War. ...

Awesome recovery. Google is your friend, eh?

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Instead of just assuming and spreading bullshit accusations, why don't you propose a middle ground solution so we can discuss it?

The solution is simple. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's Thunderdome.

Or you could just read my post again.

An expected reply. Here's the deal; I'm fine with the status quo until someone comes up with a better, Constitutionally acceptable solution and not just assholish replies, insults and lies.

 

[blastula]

... I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

Dude, this is why I don't trust the anti-gun lobby to make rational decisions regarding gun bans: the AR-15 and AK-47 didn't exist in WWII. Additionally, most weapons used in war are fully automatic, most in the US are not...and if they are, it's very, very costly to buy and own them.

Bear with me here genius.
I know that the Armalite model wasn't manufactured during the Second World War. ...

Awesome recovery. Google is your friend, eh?

Reading comprehension is not your friend.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Dude, this is why I don't trust the anti-gun lobby to make rational decisions regarding gun bans: the AR-15 and AK-47 didn't exist in WWII. Additionally, most weapons used in war are fully automatic, most in the US are not...and if they are, it's very, very costly to buy and own them.

Bear with me here genius.
I know that the Armalite model wasn't manufactured during the Second World War. ...

Awesome recovery. Google is your friend, eh?

Reading comprehension is not your friend.

No worries. I'm happy with the status quo. It's encouraging you and your friends have no rational, reasonable argument to change anything. You're armed only with insults and heated rhetoric. Have a really nice day!