Muslim flight attendant suspended for refusing to serve alcohol

[Underseer]

According to the arguments of rightists, this woman's freedom of religion is being "suppressed" by her employer. According to their arguments, the employer is "forcing" its religious views on her.

So where are the hoards of protesting conservatives? Where are the throngs of conservochristians screaming that this woman's "religious freedom" be restored? Oh. Right. She's a Muslim. The conservochristian notion of "freedom of religion" only applies to Christians.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yep.
She's just like a fourth-trimester baby to the Pro-Life people. She can fuck off and die for all they care.

 

[dismal]

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According to the arguments of rightists, this woman's freedom of religion is being "suppressed" by her employer. According to their arguments, the employer is "forcing" its religious views on her.

So where are the hoards of protesting conservatives? Where are the throngs of conservochristians screaming that this woman's "religious freedom" be restored? Oh. Right. She's a Muslim. The conservochristian notion of "freedom of religion" only applies to Christians.

Well, at least leftists are glad to see her get canned.

 

[Derec]

According to the arguments of rightists, this woman's freedom of religion is being "suppressed" by her employer. According to their arguments, the employer is "forcing" its religious views on her.

And according to the leftists, not allowing her to do whatever she wants is "islamophobia".

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Muslim acting crazy on a plane.

I'm not saying he passengers should have tackled her and beaten her to death, but the passengers definitely should have tackled her and beaten her to death.

 

[maxparrish]

Odd, I thought in the thread on Kim Davis we all agreed that if she won't do her job, she ought to be fired.

 

[Arctish]

Odd, I thought in the thread on Kim Davis we all agreed that if she won't do her job, she ought to be fired.

We agreed that elected officials who fail to fulfill their duties and honor their Oath of Office ought to be impeached or forced out.

As for employees, there was some talk of making reasonable accommodations for religious beliefs, but we didn't really discuss it, so we have no consensus on what they might be or how far they should go.

 

[Ford]

Odd, I thought in the thread on Kim Davis we all agreed that if she won't do her job, she ought to be fired.

You might have a point if the flight attendant in question didn't just refuse to serve alcohol herself, but also demanded that no alcohol be served on any flight she was working.

 

[Derec]

You might have a point if the flight attendant in question didn't just refuse to serve alcohol herself, but also demanded that no alcohol be served on any flight she was working.

Given that she works for an airline that often only has one flight attendant working that amounts to the same thing.

I think if you can't do the job you should look for different work and this doesn't just apply to county clerks but to checkout clerks at Costco or Marks and Sparks, cabbies etc.
Maybe Emirates Airlines are hiring but she definitely should apply to work for them.

 

[Derec]

Odd, I thought in the thread on Kim Davis we all agreed that if she won't do her job, she ought to be fired.

Doesn't apply to Muslims.

Ironic, ain't it.

 

[laughing dog]

If serving alcohol is a normal and known duty for a flight attendant on that airline, then she should either be fired or transferred to a position where alcohol is not served (perhaps short flights).

 

[Arctish]

If serving alcohol is a normal and known duty for a flight attendant on that airline, then she should either be fired or transferred to a position where alcohol is not served (perhaps short flights).

I was thinking the same thing.

If she can't do the in-flight job, perhaps she could be offered a lateral transfer to another job that doesn't require the serving of alcohol.

 

[Metaphor]

Odd, I thought in the thread on Kim Davis we all agreed that if she won't do her job, she ought to be fired.

Who has disagreed? But I'd phrase it differently: anyone not doing their job has already quit.

There is one substantive difference between the flight attendant and the county clerk is that the flight attendant wasn't violating anyone's civil rights by not serving alcohol. The flight attendant is still wrong, though. Nobody should have to step up to do her duties because she has decided that she selectively doesn't want to do part of her job.

 

[maxparrish]

According to the arguments of rightists, this woman's freedom of religion is being "suppressed" by her employer. According to their arguments, the employer is "forcing" its religious views on her.

So where are the hoards of protesting conservatives? Where are the throngs of conservochristians screaming that this woman's "religious freedom" be restored? Oh. Right. She's a Muslim. The conservochristian notion of "freedom of religion" only applies to Christians.

No problem, I shall express the anti-Muslim rage of the right. I shall use the characterizations and arguments, slightly altered for context, used in the case of Ms. Davis (many will recognize their own words).

I wonder Is she a member of occupy wall street?

Don't worry she will claim she was persecuted for her faith, and rake in speaking fees from her Mosque.

Cleans her teeth and hair, she could be an MSNBC host.

She works for God, then why is the Airlines paying her?

Let Muhammad sign her pay check.

First amendment claim? Is this person an idiot or a lawyer?

She could 'promise' to do her job, but i'm sure her legal council will come up with some argument to justify her continuing 'the good fight.'

In the developed world, an employee who refuses to work is fired, and replaced by someone who wants to do the job.

Ya. It's not at all right for the airline to have forced her to work there as a slave, pushing booze into gullets all day. Cause, that's exactly what happened to this victim of our anti-Muslim nation, right?

She's been terminated for not doing her job, trying to stand on rights that the courts should have told her she DOES NOT HAVE.

I think the rule would only apply to Muslim beliefs. Mind you, they don't actually have to be in the Koran, as long as some Muslims think they are.

I can't imagine why the Airline didn't consider the alternative of allowing her not to do her job.... How strange.
Will she take an appropriate cut in pay for not doing her entire job, just the parts she thinks her skybuddy likes?

Yeah, but there is nothing holding her to the job. It's cheaper still and more judicious for all those with conscience problems with the new law to resign their jobs ...

But no. Such people are hypocrites. Their consciences apparently don't come before their paychecks and this is why there is a problem. LOGICALLY the answer is for her to resign. But she's greedy and doing all she can to twist her thinking so she gets to force her employer to cow-tow to her desires, while not serving the public she signed up (swore) to serve and still get paid for it.

If you refuse to do the job you are being paid to do, seems to me you've just quit your job. You can't change rules (laws) to accommodate every fucking privately (publically) employed individual. Tell this assbag to do her job. When she refuses she's fired.... Send the bitch walking.

Yeah, this whole "She can't be fired because it's an un-elected (elected) position" seems pretty bogus to me - she need not be fired, because when you refuse to do your job, you have quit.

I fail to see the meaningful difference between not turning up for work, and turning up but then refusing to do the work that is to be done;

I'm guessing she's a lesbian, and is why all her marriages failed. Or she found out her husbands were gay. Now it's personal for her.

And I see a little Ted Kaczynski in those eyes.

She's clearly awaiting Muhammed's (Gabriel's) clarion call when justice will be restored and the evil will be smitten. Does she fly the ISIS (confederate) flag at her home too?

Hell, she can walk out anytime she WANTS as long as she does her job. And that's another thing, do you guys think if you pulled this kind of shit at your work that your job would still be made available to you? The POS should have been fired.

The Airline is not compelling her to participate. If she believes that serving alcohol to customers violates her conscience, she is free to resign. She is free to act in accordance with her conscience and religious beliefs, as long as such is not in violation of the law and the duties of her job, or on the airline dime.

It is a matter that the airline is paying her do fulfill specific duties. If she can not in good conscious do the job they are paying her to do then fine, no problem - she should resign her position so that the airline can put someone in that office who will do what they are paying them to do. You wouldn't expect to pay a lawn maintenance outfit who refused to mow your lawn because you put in some flower beds and they hate flowers would you?

Whether or not the customers go to another airline for service, her right to religious expression doesn't include telling the Airline what job duties she will and won't accept in the performance of her job. They did not create the position of Flight Attendant as a podium for her conscience at the inconvenience of anyone else.

Her personal religious opinions are unimportant to tens of millions of customers who hold jobs, pay for tickets, travel, etc. Whether she understands and/or accepts this is unimportant to those customers with regards to her performing the duties of her position. Like all overtly religious nutbags she is caught up in her own little religious soap opera, but in this case it is preventing her from performing her required duties. Fine. Quit. Go home and pray. Get another job. Retire.

But she wants to collect compensation and also not do her job. That's a whole new take on religious liberty. I hope they put her in a cell with Lady Bubba.

The woman is being paid to do her job, and serving alcohol is part of her duties. If her conscience makes her unfit to do the job and she is no longer able to serve alcohol, she should resign, and the Airline can then find a replacement who is willing and able to do the job. There is no compulsion here.

The woman is not being asked to change her religious views or endorse boozing, she is being asked to do the job she is paid to do and to serve booze. That is all. If she is unfit to do her job she needs to resign.

She is refusing to do her job, in direct contradiction of a lawful duty and order by her employer.

If she doesn't want to do her job then she should simply resign from her position instead of creating a public circus. But no, she wanted to do the whole martyr thing that conservative Muslim types just love to do, and play politics with other peoples rights. Doesn't work that way. Jobs have requirements of people and sometime the criteria may conflict with peoples ethics.

I can understand her not wanting to be apart of something she morally disagrees with, but if that's case she should simply resign from her job peacefully. Yet, the only reason she is staying is because she WANTS to interfere and keep customers from drinking and having fun, and that is a totally fascist way of changing policy.

Exactly. There is nothing in the Koran that says she MUST be a flight attendant.

Some years back, there was a riot in Israel. Jews were rioting because non-Jews were driving on Saturday. If your religion tells you to not drive on Saturday, then you don't drive on Saturday. If you try to stop other people from driving on Saturday, you are imposing your religion on them. Some Hindus in India get offended when non-Hindus eat beef. Again, if your religion tells you not to eat beef, then you don't eat beef. If you try to stop other people from eating beef, you are imposing your religion on them.

Worse, your Muslim heroine deliberately ignored policy in order to impose her religion on others.

If Islam requires Muslims to stop non-Muslims from drawing pictures of Mohammed, then Islam is wrong. If Judaism requires Jews to stop non-Jews from driving on Saturdays, then Judaism is wrong. If Hinduism requires Hindus to stop non-Hindus from eating beef, then Hinduism is wrong. See the pattern here?

There are lots of things that her job requires that are against some religion or another. It isn't her place to decide which of those is correct. Her job is not her personal religion...

I may not ask someone what they belief or whether they go to church in a job interview. I am permitted to tell them that the job requires working weekends and then ask them if there are any days during which they cannot work. It matters not why someone cannot work on a day that requires work but I am permitted to not hire somebody if they cannot work on all days on which work may be assigned.

Religion is voluntary. If you voluntarily choose not to do your job, you get fired.

People can have any personal beliefs they want; if those beliefs MUST be accommodated, then there cannot be any rules at all.

I demand that you accommodate my religious belief that you should agree with this post. Are you going to accede to my demand?

If your religious belief requires someone else to modify anything in any way, then it is unreasonable and should not be accommodated. If you want to believe crazy shit, then believe it in your own time, and on your own dime.



See we agree.

 

[whichphilosophy]

You might have a point if the flight attendant in question didn't just refuse to serve alcohol herself, but also demanded that no alcohol be served on any flight she was working.

Given that she works for an airline that often only has one flight attendant working that amounts to the same thing.

I think if you can't do the job you should look for different work and this doesn't just apply to county clerks but to checkout clerks at Costco or Marks and Sparks, cabbies etc.
Maybe Emirates Airlines are hiring but she definitely should apply to work for them.

Why, Emirates, Gulf or Etihad would fire her if she refused to server alcohol. They not only serve it but claim to select the best for their business and first class passengers
If she doesn't want to serve alcohol, then she should have changed her job.

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If serving alcohol is a normal and known duty for a flight attendant on that airline, then she should either be fired or transferred to a position where alcohol is not served (perhaps short flights).

Short flight sometimes offer it. Many Arab airlines serve alcohol. She should have left the job on her own accord if she had a problem.

 

[RavenSky]

Anyone else amused by how hard Max and Derec tried to set up those "liberal" strawmen only to have the actual comments by actual TFT members show how foolish those strawmen were?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

If serving alcohol is a normal and known duty for a flight attendant on that airline, then she should either be fired or transferred to a position where alcohol is not served (perhaps short flights).

There ya go!

 

[Nice Squirrel]

yep.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Odd, I thought in the thread on Kim Davis we all agreed that if she won't do her job, she ought to be fired.

Who has disagreed? But I'd phrase it differently: anyone not doing their job has already quit.

There is one substantive difference between the flight attendant and the county clerk is that the flight attendant wasn't violating anyone's civil rights by not serving alcohol. The flight attendant is still wrong, though. Nobody should have to step up to do her duties because she has decided that she selectively doesn't want to do part of her job.

If a person boarded a busy flight and did not receive alcohol then the airline broke its contract to that degree. So that would still have been a violation of their civil right as a consumer.

 

[laughing dog]

If a person boarded a busy flight and did not receive alcohol then the airline broke its contract to that degree. So that would still have been a violation of their civil right as a consumer.

Not in the USA. Consumers do not have civil rights - people have civil rights.