Naked black people have superpowers!

[Loren Pechtel]

People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

What the hell? At what point, and on what evidence, did you conclude that he was probably on PCP? You really seem to sort through a variety of possibilities and select the one that allows you to paint the dead person in as negative a light as you can... and then you treat that one possibility as if it is the only reasonable possible and you discard all others.

Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

What the hell? At what point, and on what evidence, did you conclude that he was probably on PCP? You really seem to sort through a variety of possibilities and select the one that allows you to paint the dead person in as negative a light as you can... and then you treat that one possibility as if it is the only reasonable possible and you discard all others.

Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

...or mental illness. But you know... drugs!

 

[Toni]

Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

...or mental illness. But you know... drugs!

I thought it was black man.

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People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

What the hell? At what point, and on what evidence, did you conclude that he was probably on PCP? You really seem to sort through a variety of possibilities and select the one that allows you to paint the dead person in as negative a light as you can... and then you treat that one possibility as if it is the only reasonable possible and you discard all others.

Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I thought it was black man.

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People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

What the hell? At what point, and on what evidence, did you conclude that he was probably on PCP? You really seem to sort through a variety of possibilities and select the one that allows you to paint the dead person in as negative a light as you can... and then you treat that one possibility as if it is the only reasonable possible and you discard all others.

Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

I would consider being naked and squating on a roadway being irrational behavior. What I don't get is that the officer EXITS the car and aims his gun and then shoots. Had he stayed in the car, no shooting.

Whatever reason the man was acting as he was, mental health, drugs, he hadn't committed a crime and there were... again... alternatives to shooting (that'll be hand waved away by people that think almost every officer shooting is justified).

 

[Toni]

I thought it was black man.

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What the hell? At what point, and on what evidence, did you conclude that he was probably on PCP? You really seem to sort through a variety of possibilities and select the one that allows you to paint the dead person in as negative a light as you can... and then you treat that one possibility as if it is the only reasonable possible and you discard all others.

Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

I would consider being naked and squating on a roadway being irrational behavior. What I don't get is that the officer EXITS the car and aims his gun and then shoots. Had he stayed in the car, no shooting.

Whatever reason the man was acting as he was, mental health, drugs, he hadn't committed a crime and there were... again... alternatives to shooting (that'll be hand waved away by people that think almost every officer shooting is justified).

It is likely that squatting on a roadway, clothed or naked but especially naked would be irrational. But there are circumstances under which this would be highly rational behavior: he had been about to step into the shower and encountered a stranger, for instance, and ran from his home. Or there was a fire while he was getting dressed or getting ready to shower.

The person calling the police did not express concern that this was a violent individual but more concern FOR the individual.

In any case, of course you are correct that there were many far better alternatives to shooting someone without giving them more than a second to respond to police commands (by the officer's estimate of time between his shouted command and opening fire).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I thought it was black man.

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Irrational, violent behavior + naked, PCP should be high on your suspect list.

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

I would consider being naked and squating on a roadway being irrational behavior. What I don't get is that the officer EXITS the car and aims his gun and then shoots. Had he stayed in the car, no shooting.

Whatever reason the man was acting as he was, mental health, drugs, he hadn't committed a crime and there were... again... alternatives to shooting (that'll be hand waved away by people that think almost every officer shooting is justified).

It is likely that squatting on a roadway, clothed or naked but especially naked would be irrational. But there are circumstances under which this would be highly rational behavior: he had been about to step into the shower and encountered a stranger, for instance, and ran from his home. Or there was a fire while he was getting dressed or getting ready to shower.

Or if he is Gollum... let's just let it go. The actions of the man were indicative there was something wrong and he needed help. Not to be shot. The officer on site who is supposed to help... killed him.

In any case, of course you are correct that there were many far better alternatives to shooting someone without giving them more than a second to respond to police commands (by the officer's estimate of time between his shouted command and opening fire).

Police Officer's Mind: That naked guy there is not acting rationally. Shit, he sees me and is running towards me. "STOP!!! STOP!!!" Fuck, the man who wasn't acting rationally isn't reacting rationally to my commands immediately. Better light the fucker up.

 

[Terrell]

If he can't handle a clearly unarmed man without pulling out his gun, maybe he's in the wrong line of work. Since the guy in question was naked there isn't really a place to hide a weapon. Does this guy shoot bullets out of his dick?

 

[Emily Lake]

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If he can't handle a clearly unarmed man without pulling out his gun, maybe he's in the wrong line of work. Since the guy in question was naked there isn't really a place to hide a weapon. Does this guy shoot bullets out of his dick?

You forget about the black super powers, so maybe.

 

[Derec]

If he can't handle a clearly unarmed man without pulling out his gun, maybe he's in the wrong line of work. Since the guy in question was naked there isn't really a place to hide a weapon. Does this guy shoot bullets out of his dick?

If he attacks the cop he can take his gun. And people who are on drugs (which Hill wasn't but looked like he probably was) can exhibit unusual strength due to lack of pain response (human body is capable of feats of strength we do not normally do because we are prevented by pain response). That's a real danger, which should take the murder charge off the table.

 

[laughing dog]

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

Does irrational and aggressive mean necessarily violent?

 

[Toni]

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

Question is: did he charge the officer or was he simply running towards a police officer, perhaps to ask for help, as we are taught officers are there to render? I don’t know the answer but I am aware that there is a strong history of white people attributing aggression and violent intent and actions where no such aggressive or violent intent.

 

[Emily Lake]

If he attacks the cop he can take his gun. And people who are on drugs (which Hill wasn't but looked like he probably was) can exhibit unusual strength due to lack of pain response (human body is capable of feats of strength we do not normally do because we are prevented by pain response). That's a real danger, which should take the murder charge off the table.

Serious question for you to consider... If a clearly unarmed person runs at you, do you think that shooting them is a reasonable and appropriate response... because they *might* be on drugs, and thus it wouldn't be manslaughter or murder? Or are there additional factors that you think should be considered before allowing people to shoot others to death on the possibility that they *might* be dangerous?

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What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

Does irrational and aggressive mean necessarily violent?

No, not at all. Aggression increases the likelihood of violence, but isn't sufficient for it.

And even if he were violent... a naked and clearly unarmed violent man could very reasonably be subdued with something other than death

 

[Emily Lake]

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

Question is: did he charge the officer or was he simply running towards a police officer, perhaps to ask for help, as we are taught officers are there to render? I don’t know the answer but I am aware that there is a strong history of white people attributing aggression and violent intent and actions where no such aggressive or violent intent.

Oh, I absolutely agree that there's a social bias to ascribe violence and aggression to black people where it's completely unwarranted.

But if I'm honest... I'm pretty sure that a naked person running at me is something my brain is going to interpret as "aggressive and irrational" regardless of their race or gender. I'm pretty sure I would run away from that, or at least lock the door like the folks in the office did.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

According to the initial calls to police the victim was non-violent. The victim was erratic, to include randomly knockin on doors, lying down, and running around. The victim was mentally ill, bipolar disorder, and that also was the reason for leaving the military. The initial call to police wasn't about violence but a call for assistance of someone with an issue.

The perpetrator initially lied to police, telling them that the victim punched him in the chest. Did the perpetrator also lie that he was being charged? Or exaggerate? Also, if the perpetrator valued the life of the victim, wouldn't it make more sense to use a taser?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

Question is: did he charge the officer or was he simply running towards a police officer, perhaps to ask for help, as we are taught officers are there to render? I don’t know the answer but I am aware that there is a strong history of white people attributing aggression and violent intent and actions where no such aggressive or violent intent.

The officer was in the car and stepped out into a charging person. Unless he doesn't plan on shooting the guy, he should stay in the car.

 

[repoman]

A 56 year old officer who was alone (?) should have had the experience to know to stay in the car unless he felt he could handle the naked man in a completely manual manner, with no resort to the threat of a firearm. Someone who is naked and erratic may not mentally register that the officer even has a gun. And being 56 years old he is not as able to handle an erratic person solo as a 35 year old officer could.

He should be charged with a crime for even stepping out of his car. Most police should be in a sliding age scale restricted duty starting from 45 years of age be forced out of front line work by 60.

Is there research on how old cops are who shoot suspects?

 

[Emily Lake]

Question is: did he charge the officer or was he simply running towards a police officer, perhaps to ask for help, as we are taught officers are there to render? I don’t know the answer but I am aware that there is a strong history of white people attributing aggression and violent intent and actions where no such aggressive or violent intent.

The officer was in the car and stepped out into a charging person. Unless he doesn't plan on shooting the guy, he should stay in the car.

Yeah, seems like staying in the car would be the smart move until you've established communication. Or hey - how about that nifty thing they do in the movies, where they step out of the car, but use the open door as a partial shield, so they can hop back in quickly if a naked man decides to charge them? So many options to choose form other than shooting someone to death...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What violent behavior? For that matter, what irrational behavior?

You know I generally agree with you on these kind of topics, but I'm going to go ahead and say that wandering around naked and charging a cop is reasonably considered both irrational and aggressive. But maybe I'm biased against charging naked people.

Does irrational and aggressive mean necessarily violent?

Walking around naked = irrational. (Yes, you might have escaped a dangerous situation--but you're not likely to be wandering around afterwards.)

Charging a cop = violent.

 

[laughing dog]

Does irrational and aggressive mean necessarily violent?

Walking around naked = irrational. (Yes, you might have escaped a dangerous situation--but you're not likely to be wandering around afterwards.)

Charging a cop = violent.

Running towards a police officer, in and of itself, would not be termed violent by any rational person familiar with the English language. It is aggressive, but running toward someone is not violent since there is no
1) contact, and
2) necessary intent to harm.

Furthermore, the police officer has said it shot the victim because he thought he had superhuman powers and that he would not feel pain. He did not say he was attacked.

I realize that making up "facts" makes it easier for you to excuse this shooting, but it is not an intellectually honest or convincing argument.