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New Hampshire Primaries

What's the deal with so many people talking Abrams for VP?

Well, she's very smart and can carry a good portion of the south. She's a democrat, and almost won the statewide election in Georgia. There's no other current democrat running for president who could carry Georgia on his/her own.
 
I hope the ticket will be Sanders-Buttigieg. Or Sanders-AOC.
 
I hope the ticket will be Sanders-Buttigieg. Or Sanders-AOC.

AOC isn't eligible for VP yet. I don't see how AOC would help Sanders. They both will whip it up in left districts. Who carries the moderates and south for them?
Forgot about the age requirement. In any case, she's probably too inexperienced and there's too much overlap. At least with Buttigieg there would be more broad appeal: the young people vote for Sanders and old people for Buttigieg (just don't tell them he's gay).
 
I hope the ticket will be Sanders-Buttigieg. Or Sanders-AOC.

AOC isn't eligible for VP yet. I don't see how AOC would help Sanders. They both will whip it up in left districts. Who carries the moderates and south for them?
Forgot about the age requirement. In any case, she's probably too inexperienced and there's too much overlap. At least with Buttigieg there would be more broad appeal: the young people vote for Sanders and old people for Buttigieg (just don't tell them he's gay).

Given Sanders's age, I would be far less enthusiastic or trusting of his platform if he did not appoint a VP who was ideologically similar. He needs a progressive VP... And not for the least of reasons being that I don't want to see someone use Bernie like Biden used Obama.
 
I just look at the entertainment value. First seeing republicans explode over a socialist president, then when he croaks, getting a gay president to replace him, all in a single term. Besides Buttigieg and his husband would get along great with our gay foreign minister and his husband.
 
I just look at the entertainment value. First seeing republicans explode over a socialist president, then when he croaks, getting a gay president to replace him, all in a single term. Besides Buttigieg and his husband would get along great with our gay foreign minister and his husband.

You are forgetting that whomever we elect here, Republicans will be told they are a gay Muslim socialist President...unless it's Trump.

But it's a nice thought and it's the thought that counts.
 
I just look at the entertainment value. First seeing republicans explode over a socialist president, then when he croaks, getting a gay president to replace him, all in a single term. Besides Buttigieg and his husband would get along great with our gay foreign minister and his husband.

You are forgetting that whomever we elect here, Republicans will be told they are a gay Muslim socialist President...unless it's Trump.

But it's a nice thought and it's the thought that counts.
Yeah, Klobuchar will be the "most radical socialist Democrat candidate ever" if she runs. So would Bloomberg. Just like Biden would have been or Buttigieg or maybe even Sanders. The right-wing will attack them all as being radicals. Selling it will be easier with Sanders, but the difficulty wouldn't stop the GOP from doing their best.
 
I just look at the entertainment value. First seeing republicans explode over a socialist president, then when he croaks, getting a gay president to replace him, all in a single term. Besides Buttigieg and his husband would get along great with our gay foreign minister and his husband.

You are forgetting that whomever we elect here, Republicans will be told they are a gay Muslim socialist President...unless it's Trump.

But it's a nice thought and it's the thought that counts.
Yeah, Klobuchar will be the "most radical socialist Democrat candidate ever" if she runs. So would Bloomberg. Just like Biden would have been or Buttigieg or maybe even Sanders. The right-wing will attack them all as being radicals. Selling it will be easier with Sanders, but the difficulty wouldn't stop the GOP from doing their best.

I don't know why anyone still believes the 90s line about reaching across the aisle to appeal to the middle. The Republicans haven't accepted a meaningful olive branch from the Democrats in more than a decade, and not for lack of endless offers during the Obama years. Any attempt to look more Republican-friendly will just hit a solid wall of propaganda.

Especially if it is interpreted as an attempt undermine Trump. He's purging his own party of the disloyal right now, you think he's not going to send his attack dogs after whoever takes the Dem nomination? Republican legislators get chastised in the rightwing media if the are so much as spotted having a friendly conversation with a anti-Trump politician, let alone working with them on something. There isn't enough folksy charm in the world to absorb the firepower, both literal and metaphorical, that is about to be unleashed on the liberal candidate. No quarter, no compromise. There are only two kinds of people in Trump's world: Americans and never-Trumpers.

You want to win over the middle, offer them something that is in their natural self-interest, not something that the Republican Party wants. That's why Yang and Bernie get along with right-wing libertarian types better than middle-of-the-road wishy-washy types do. They talk to people, not parties. It's part of why Trump himself was popular in the electoral college game. Say what you will about the man, but he's no partisan puppet.
 
I was thinking of the obligatory sex orgy that must follow every time more than two gay people meet but that works too.

Well, when it's an international affair we like to exchange green cards before the blowie, but it's otherwise the same ritual.
 
Yeah, Klobuchar will be the "most radical socialist Democrat candidate ever" if she runs. So would Bloomberg. Just like Biden would have been or Buttigieg or maybe even Sanders. The right-wing will attack them all as being radicals. Selling it will be easier with Sanders, but the difficulty wouldn't stop the GOP from doing their best.

I don't know why anyone still believes the 90s line about reaching across the aisle to appeal to the middle. The Republicans haven't accepted a meaningful olive branch from the Democrats in more than a decade, and not for lack of endless offers during the Obama years. Any attempt to look more Republican-friendly will just hit a solid wall of propaganda.

Especially if it is interpreted as an attempt undermine Trump. He's purging his own party of the disloyal right now, you think he's not going to send his attack dogs after whoever takes the Dem nomination? Republican legislators get chastised in the rightwing media if the are so much as spotted having a friendly conversation with a anti-Trump politician, let alone working with them on something. There isn't enough folksy charm in the world to absorb the firepower, both literal and metaphorical, that is about to be unleashed on the liberal candidate. No quarter, no compromise. There are only two kinds of people in Trump's world: Americans and never-Trumpers.

You want to win over the middle, offer them something that is in their natural self-interest, not something that the Republican Party wants. That's why Yang and Bernie get along with right-wing libertarian types better than middle-of-the-road wishy-washy types do. They talk to people, not parties. It's part of why Trump himself was popular in the electoral college game. Say what you will about the man, but he's no partisan puppet.

I agree 100%, but the billionaires of all ideological stripes will not let Bernie win either. If he pulls a miracle upset in the primary, the Dem establishment and media cohorts will not fully support him. And after he loses, they will dishonestly use him as poster boy for why we shouldn't nominate a progressive. We are basically screwed until the apocalypse.
 
Yeah, Klobuchar will be the "most radical socialist Democrat candidate ever" if she runs. So would Bloomberg. Just like Biden would have been or Buttigieg or maybe even Sanders. The right-wing will attack them all as being radicals. Selling it will be easier with Sanders, but the difficulty wouldn't stop the GOP from doing their best.

I don't know why anyone still believes the 90s line about reaching across the aisle to appeal to the middle. The Republicans haven't accepted a meaningful olive branch from the Democrats in more than a decade, and not for lack of endless offers during the Obama years. Any attempt to look more Republican-friendly will just hit a solid wall of propaganda.

Especially if it is interpreted as an attempt undermine Trump. He's purging his own party of the disloyal right now, you think he's not going to send his attack dogs after whoever takes the Dem nomination? Republican legislators get chastised in the rightwing media if the are so much as spotted having a friendly conversation with a anti-Trump politician, let alone working with them on something. There isn't enough folksy charm in the world to absorb the firepower, both literal and metaphorical, that is about to be unleashed on the liberal candidate. No quarter, no compromise. There are only two kinds of people in Trump's world: Americans and never-Trumpers.

You want to win over the middle, offer them something that is in their natural self-interest, not something that the Republican Party wants. That's why Yang and Bernie get along with right-wing libertarian types better than middle-of-the-road wishy-washy types do. They talk to people, not parties. It's part of why Trump himself was popular in the electoral college game. Say what you will about the man, but he's no partisan puppet.

I agree 100%, but the billionaires of all ideological stripes will not let Bernie win either. If he pulls a miracle upset in the primary, the Dem establishment and media cohorts will not fully support him. And after he loses, they will dishonestly use him as poster boy for why we shouldn't nominate a progressive. We are basically screwed until the apocalypse.

And if Bernie does win the Presidency and if Democrats somehow miraculously take over both the house and senate, I bet you even then Bernie wouldn't be able to push through his full agenda, because the Clintoncrats will stand in his way.
 
I agree 100%, but the billionaires of all ideological stripes will not let Bernie win either. If he pulls a miracle upset in the primary, the Dem establishment and media cohorts will not fully support him. And after he loses, they will dishonestly use him as poster boy for why we shouldn't nominate a progressive. We are basically screwed until the apocalypse.

And if Bernie does win the Presidency and if Democrats somehow miraculously take over both the house and senate, I bet you even then Bernie wouldn't be able to push through his full agenda, because the Clintoncrats will stand in his way.

None of these pipedreams will happen, JP. Bernie will lose the nomination. Bloomberg will win. He'll turn Republican Lite in the general but Trump will still beat him.
 
I just look at the entertainment value. First seeing republicans explode over a socialist president, then when he croaks, getting a gay president to replace him, all in a single term. Besides Buttigieg and his husband would get along great with our gay foreign minister and his husband.

You are forgetting that whomever we elect here, Republicans will be told they are a gay Muslim socialist President...unless it's Trump.

But it's a nice thought and it's the thought that counts.
Yeah, Klobuchar will be the "most radical socialist Democrat candidate ever" if she runs. So would Bloomberg. Just like Biden would have been or Buttigieg or maybe even Sanders. The right-wing will attack them all as being radicals. Selling it will be easier with Sanders, but the difficulty wouldn't stop the GOP from doing their best.

Well yeah. Both parties routinely portray the other party's candidate as the most radical whatever candidate ever". Even Romney was cast as hard right during his 2012 run, and even Kerry was cast as hard left during his 2004 run. Neither of them are any sort of hard extremist.
 
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