New rioting and looting in Minneapolis

[Derec]

What? Do you subscribe to Black people You Should Be Afraid Of Digest?

No. I read regular news, not just the filtered "White people (excluding Left Wingers) You Should Be Afraid Of" edition you seem to be consuming, which maintains that Ashli Babbitt was public enemy number one while Winston Smiths of the world are all innocent victims.

I think no matter what, some things criminals will get access to guns.

So what does that mean? That criminals in possession of guns like Daunte "Prince of Brooklyn Center" Wright or Winston "Boogie" Smith should not be pursued by law enforcement?

We can do a lot more to limit that and we can do a lot more to ensure that ignorant idiots have less access to firearms.

Not by monomaniacally hyperfocusing on so-called "assault weapons" when vast majority of gun crime is committed with handguns.
And certainly not by treating those guilty of gun crimes and robberies etc. as "victims" just because of their skin color.



The numbers in red are a version of those in this table:

 

[Derec]

One dirtbag starts something, the police retaliate against the group that was doing nothing wrong. The dirtbag likely has nothing to do with the protest.

First of all, it's not one dirtbag, it's many dirtbags. And usually these dirtbags are very much part of these protests.

The police go arresting the leaders, the DAs throw out the charges because the police had nothing on them in the first place. Rinse and repeat.

I do not think it's lack of evidence, but rather fauxgressive, left-wing DAs getting elected in these cities not wanting to prosecute any more of their own than necessary to keep up appearances of not completely shirking their duty.

Look at Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman in NYC. No state charges at all by the Brooklyn DA Eric Gonzalez even though they made Molotovs and handed them out to other rioters and even though they torched a police vehicle. Had the feds not charged them, they'd have gotten off scot-free. It remains to be seen what kind of sweetheart deal Garland's DOJ gives them.

 

[Derec]

This driver saw the cars blocking the road and the people behind it. We know this because he has said so. He also said he sped up in order to vault the car. It is ridiculous to think anyone deserved to killed by this drunk asshat.

Nobody deserved to be killed by him, but it shows that it is dangerous to blockade streets meant for traffic. It is also affecting the quality of life of residents of Minneapolis when parts of their city are occupied by extremist mob for two weeks (in the case of the Winston Smith Autonomous Zone) or over a year (in the case of the George Floyd Autonomous Zone).
Mayor Frey should have ordered these zones cleared right away and those responsible for blocking the roads should have been arrested, and their cars impounded.

 

[Derec]

You recognize that it’s illegal to run people down. Right?

It is also illegal (and dangerous) to blockade the streets in order to effect some sort of "autonomous zone" or a wannabe "Minnesota Soviet Republic".
It is not only dangerous when a drunk driver plows into you, but you are also restricting the ability of emergency vehicles to render aid when something happens inside the zone.

It was wrong and deadly to blockade the streets in Seattle, it was wrong and deadly to do so in Atlanta, and it is wrong and deadly in Minneapolis as well.

 

[Derec]

Like the 1/6 Capitol insurrection?

The only riot you leftists ever acknowledge.
This is a thread about the Minneapolis insurrection. January 6th was discussed to death elsewhere.

Like the person who deliberately drove his car into protesters in St Paul/Minneapolis, Seattle, So many it's hard to keep up.

The Seattle guy is a black Eritean, so people accepted that it was an accident. This guy in Minneapolis was a drunk driving loser, but people assume it must have been deliberate because he is white.

There was a case in Fort Lauderdale, where people, including the mayor, jumped the gun and called it intentional and even "terrorism" and then it turned out to be just an accident.
Driver in Florida pride parade crash was 77-year-old participant

More than 104 people have been struck and sometimes killed by cars driving into protesters---as of A YEAR AGO.(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/)

Who knows how many over the past year. Is that the kind of violence you're talking about?

If a mob surrounds a car and start banging on it - as has happened in some of those incidents - that is violence and driving forward to escape the danger is legitimate use of force.
Remember that white truck driver who was pulled out and almost killed by the angry mob during the 1992 LA Riots? Nobody wants to end up like him!

The solution to all this is simple though - do not blockade the streets. And why is it only #BLM that is allowed to do that? Would you be ok with right-wing protesters blockading an entire neighborhood for weeks or months?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm sure he simply wanted to escape--there's no way the police were going to allow that.

Why. The Fuck. Not?
Whhy was there “no way” the police would let him escape? Why do they and you think it needs to be a death sentence? A death sentence with no judge?

Cops let criminals go all the time. They catch them later. They know who they are, they follow them and catch them later.

Where do you get this idea that “arrested or dead!!” Is acceptable or even normal?

I'm not saying "arrested or dead", I'm saying the cops aren't about to let him leave with the kids he apparently just abducted. Multiple child abductions = major jail time. Such situations have a distressing tendency to turn into murder-suicides. If he had run off rather than trying to get in his vehicle it would have played out very differently.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm sure he simply wanted to escape--there's no way the police were going to allow that.

Why. The Fuck. Not?
Whhy was there “no way” the police would let him escape? Why do they and you think it needs to be a death sentence? A death sentence with no judge?

Cops let criminals go all the time. They catch them later. They know who they are, they follow them and catch them later.

Where do you get this idea that “arrested or dead!!” Is acceptable or even normal?

There were kids in the backseat of the car. The guy is obviously reckless, no telling what he would have done. As a minimum, he probably would have sped off at high speed, putting the kids' lives in danger. What would you do in that situation? Let him get away and just cross your fingers that the innocent children don't end up dead?

If he gets away the scenario that I would worry about is murder-suicide when he realizes how bad his position is.

 

[thebeave]

There were kids in the backseat of the car. The guy is obviously reckless, no telling what he would have done. As a minimum, he probably would have sped off at high speed, putting the kids' lives in danger. What would you do in that situation? Let him get away and just cross your fingers that the innocent children don't end up dead?

If he gets away the scenario that I would worry about is murder-suicide when he realizes how bad his position is.

Yeah, I did say, "as a minimum", meaning he very well could do the worst case scenario which would be killing the kids. I wouldn't much care if he committed suicide myself.

 

[Gospel]

The only riot you leftists ever acknowledge.
This is a thread about the Minneapolis insurrection. January 6th was discussed to death elsewhere.


The Seattle guy is a black Eritean, so people accepted that it was an accident. This guy in Minneapolis was a drunk driving loser, but people assume it must have been deliberate because he is white.

There was a case in Fort Lauderdale, where people, including the mayor, jumped the gun and called it intentional and even "terrorism" and then it turned out to be just an accident.
Driver in Florida pride parade crash was 77-year-old participant

More than 104 people have been struck and sometimes killed by cars driving into protesters---as of A YEAR AGO.(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amming-attacks-66-us-since-may-27/5397700002/)

Who knows how many over the past year. Is that the kind of violence you're talking about?

If a mob surrounds a car and start banging on it - as has happened in some of those incidents - that is violence and driving forward to escape the danger is legitimate use of force.
Remember that white truck driver who was pulled out and almost killed by the angry mob during the 1992 LA Riots? Nobody wants to end up like him!

The solution to all this is simple though - do not blockade the streets. And why is it only #BLM that is allowed to do that? Would you be ok with right-wing protesters blockading an entire neighborhood for weeks or months?

Derec, the USA is going through the final stages of Rome; accelerated by technological advancements. The majority is sensitive to everything while voices of the weak & ignorant dictated by the rich & disconnected, stifle meaningful dialogue. The societal decline is inevitable. The government is the next domino in the chain. It's but so long the dedicated few can trust one another. It has come to pass that strong opinions (and even facts themselves) only add fuel to the growing snowball. Rest assured, that humans will rise above, only to rinse; repeat, and vanish long before our sun becomes unviable. Until then fight the good fight. I only ask of you one thing. Appreciate it all, the big picture.... It's us.

 

[ZiprHead]

This guy in Minneapolis was a drunk driving loser, but people assume it must have been deliberate because he is white.

Just because he was drunk doesn't mean it wasn't deliberate.

Michael O. Freeman, the Hennepin County attorney, said at a news conference on Wednesday that there was clear evidence that Mr. Kraus had intentionally driven into the crowd.

“He said he saw the cars and the barricades and the people,” Mr. Freeman said. “And at that point in time, he intentionally accelerated and went right at them. He said afterwards that he might have hit a person or two while he was driving his vehicle.”

The authorities said Mr. Kraus told investigators that he wanted to get over the barricade. They said there was no indication that he was motivated by politics or antipathy toward the protesters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/us/nicholas-kraus-minneapolis-protests.html

 

[Toni]

No. I read regular news, not just the filtered "White people (excluding Left Wingers) You Should Be Afraid Of" edition you seem to be consuming, which maintains that Ashli Babbitt was public enemy number one while Winston Smiths of the world are all innocent victims.

Get the fuck off of it, Derec. You are continually inserting the names of people none of us have heard of into threads simply to derail and to prove that all the bad things in this world are because of black thugs who have lots of babies. And libruls.

Yeah, Ashli Babbitt was an insurrectionist and a traitor. Yeah, I think that's worse than sticking up a gas station or not having a current tag on a car.

I haven't heard anyone, including his friends, claim that Winston Smith was a perfect person. You seem to think that anyone who is black and shot dead by...anyone, anyone at all, is not actually a real person but definitely deserved to be executed.

So what does that mean? That criminals in possession of guns like Daunte "Prince of Brooklyn Center" Wright or Winston "Boogie" Smith should not be pursued by law enforcement?

Nope. It means that like the poor, crime will always be with us. We can, however, start to police differently, remove firearms from the street, start treating everyone like a human being instead of reducing them to stereotypes and 'thugs.'

We can do a lot more to limit that and we can do a lot more to ensure that ignorant idiots have less access to firearms.

Not by monomaniacally hyperfocusing on so-called "assault weapons" when vast majority of gun crime is committed with handguns.
And certainly not by treating those guilty of gun crimes and robberies etc. as "victims" just because of their skin color.

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https://kdvr.com/news/boulder-groce...wice-as-deadly-as-handguns-in-mass-shootings/

Shootings involving assault rifles have a higher rate of fatalities and injuries than do semi-automatic hand guns. So? Why do we have ANY semi-automatic weapons at all? What use are they, except to kill people? Why not eliminate ALL semi-automatic weapons? Make them difficult to own, although I'd much prefer that they were impossible to own.

 

[Jarhyn]

Get the fuck off of it, Derec. You are continually inserting the names of people none of us have heard of into threads simply to derail and to prove that all the bad things in this world are because of black thugs who have lots of babies. And libruls.

Yeah, Ashli Babbitt was an insurrectionist and a traitor. Yeah, I think that's worse than sticking up a gas station or not having a current tag on a car.

I haven't heard anyone, including his friends, claim that Winston Smith was a perfect person. You seem to think that anyone who is black and shot dead by...anyone, anyone at all, is not actually a real person but definitely deserved to be executed.



Nope. It means that like the poor, crime will always be with us. We can, however, start to police differently, remove firearms from the street, start treating everyone like a human being instead of reducing them to stereotypes and 'thugs.'

We can do a lot more to limit that and we can do a lot more to ensure that ignorant idiots have less access to firearms.

Not by monomaniacally hyperfocusing on so-called "assault weapons" when vast majority of gun crime is committed with handguns.
And certainly not by treating those guilty of gun crimes and robberies etc. as "victims" just because of their skin color.

View attachment 34154

The numbers in red are a version of those in this table:
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https://kdvr.com/news/boulder-groce...wice-as-deadly-as-handguns-in-mass-shootings/

Shootings involving assault rifles have a higher rate of fatalities and injuries than do semi-automatic hand guns. So? Why do we have ANY semi-automatic weapons at all? What use are they, except to kill people? Why not eliminate ALL semi-automatic weapons? Make them difficult to own, although I'd much prefer that they were impossible to own.

So, when standing and moving, the stability of that pistol grip really helps keep the rifle from pulling up.

It's the kind of thing that you need for to shoot strategically while moving, generally for close range combat purposes.

That few degrees of cant to the handle makes all the difference to how useful it is to put a bunch of rounds out. Also, the bolt mechanisms on the semiauto and the other rifle are very different just in derec's shitty propaganda. Not to mention the forward assist absent on that other rifle they drew art of.

Then, unlike Derec Warrior for the Warriors, I actually carried one of those rifles for some time and studied the damn thing and why it worked relative to other rifle configurations. I was drilled on it, endlessly, how to hold and move it and why. Drills upon drills upon drills. "Weapon", not "gun"...

I personally don't see any good coming of a general social acceptability to being armed against the public because then we become the public we arm ourselves ever more against. Either we all get equally arbitrary power over the lives and deaths of others or we get no power over it.

Once upon a time, I do recall reading a book where members of a species, when they killed someone else, would themselves die from the act... If only. Then, guns for everyone. The more the merrier.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Shootings involving assault rifles have a higher rate of fatalities and injuries than do semi-automatic hand guns. So? Why do we have ANY semi-automatic weapons at all? What use are they, except to kill people? Why not eliminate ALL semi-automatic weapons? Make them difficult to own, although I'd much prefer that they were impossible to own.

Duh! The guy who prepares more and isn't limited to what he can sneak in kills more?? That's not news.

And do you realize that just about all guns these days are semi-auto or else revolvers which are effectively semi-auto except with a different reload technique?

There are a decent number of shotguns that aren't and a few bolt action rifles. Unfortunately, data doesn't seem to exist on what percent of guns are semi auto or revolver.

 

[Toni]

Shootings involving assault rifles have a higher rate of fatalities and injuries than do semi-automatic hand guns. So? Why do we have ANY semi-automatic weapons at all? What use are they, except to kill people? Why not eliminate ALL semi-automatic weapons? Make them difficult to own, although I'd much prefer that they were impossible to own.

Duh! The guy who prepares more and isn't limited to what he can sneak in kills more?? That's not news.

And do you realize that just about all guns these days are semi-auto or else revolvers which are effectively semi-auto except with a different reload technique?

There are a decent number of shotguns that aren't and a few bolt action rifles. Unfortunately, data doesn't seem to exist on what percent of guns are semi auto or revolver.

There is genuinely no need for semiautomatic weapons.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Shootings involving assault rifles have a higher rate of fatalities and injuries than do semi-automatic hand guns. So? Why do we have ANY semi-automatic weapons at all? What use are they, except to kill people? Why not eliminate ALL semi-automatic weapons? Make them difficult to own, although I'd much prefer that they were impossible to own.

Duh! The guy who prepares more and isn't limited to what he can sneak in kills more?? That's not news.

And do you realize that just about all guns these days are semi-auto or else revolvers which are effectively semi-auto except with a different reload technique?

There are a decent number of shotguns that aren't and a few bolt action rifles. Unfortunately, data doesn't seem to exist on what percent of guns are semi auto or revolver.

There is genuinely no need for semiautomatic weapons.

Single-shot weapons won't work too well in a defense situation.

I do not believe there is any single-shot weapon of a size to be carried as a defense weapon.

 

[Toni]

There is genuinely no need for semiautomatic weapons.

Single-shot weapons won't work too well in a defense situation.

I do not believe there is any single-shot weapon of a size to be carried as a defense weapon.

Fewer guns mean far less need to defend oneself against gunfire.

 

[fromderinside]

I'm all in on lazar weapons. Charge it like a phone, replace batteries, selective energy discharge choices, from nuisance to oh shit.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is genuinely no need for semiautomatic weapons.

Single-shot weapons won't work too well in a defense situation.

I do not believe there is any single-shot weapon of a size to be carried as a defense weapon.

Fewer guns mean far less need to defend oneself against gunfire.

But fewer guns makes the strong more dominant over the weak. I hope you like rape because there would be more of it as happens in other places where women can't go armed.

 

[laughing dog]

Fewer guns mean far less need to defend oneself against gunfire.

But fewer guns makes the strong more dominant over the weak. I hope you like rape because there would be more of it as happens in other places where women can't go armed.

Please stop spreading NRA propaganda.

 

[Toni]

Fewer guns mean far less need to defend oneself against gunfire.

But fewer guns makes the strong more dominant over the weak. I hope you like rape because there would be more of it as happens in other places where women can't go armed.

Really? You really think there are just bunches of women out there defending themselves by shooting would be rapists? Or by scaring them off? Or, that they have some nice man doing that for them?