New riots in Portland!

[Loren Pechtel]

Yah sure ya betcha. And antifa attacked the Capitol on Jan 6. Just ask any of your fellow BLM haters.

People who think Antifa attacked the Capitol in a "false flag" attack are as deluded as those who think #BLM/Antifa violence is really "false flag" attacks by the right.

How many BLM types were arrested in the Keystone Coup? Appears to be zero.

How many right wing types have been arrested in "BLM" violence? Appears to be an appreciable percentage of the total.

 

[Emily Lake]

I don't agree.

This is just another riot started by excessive police violence and desire to control people with force.

How do you figure this? What timeline are you looking at that supports your assertion that excessive police force caused this riot?

All you gotta do is put a few trouble makers in to break a few windows then the cops scream "riot" and start throwing people around with force.

Conspiracy Theory then? Okay.

 

[Emily Lake]

What is it with the pacific northwest and this breed of protest hooligan? It is appears to be an occupation out there.

Some strange anarchist stronghold. I blame it on the lack of sunlight.

Lack of sunlight doesn't cause anarchists. Lack of sunlight causes sparkly vampires.

As evidenced by those sparkly vampires, it also causes a sense of nihilism and emo angst. Both of which correlate well with anarchists

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

An interesting development on the Antifa riots. If you are the wrong race, you will get assaulted.

Man claimed to be Andy Ngo chased away from Portland protest

Portland Protesters Chase, Tackle and Punch Someone They Believe to Be Andy Ngo Until He Hides in The Nines Hotel

We all know that showing people what Antifa does is something only "fascists" (sic) do. But this individual wasn't doing that. He was guilty of being an Asian Man in Portland.

 

[LoAmmo]

An interesting development on the Antifa riots. If you are the wrong race, you will get assaulted.

Man claimed to be Andy Ngo chased away from Portland protest

Portland Protesters Chase, Tackle and Punch Someone They Believe to Be Andy Ngo Until He Hides in The Nines Hotel

We all know that showing people what Antifa does is something only "fascists" (sic) do. But this individual wasn't doing that. He was guilty of being an Asian Man in Portland.

How do you get, from those sources, that the guy was being hounded "for being Asian?"

What the sources suggest (and common sense would support) is that the guy in question was being hounded for being (in the eyes of the crowd pursuing him) a right-wing shit-stirrer, not for "being the wrong race." Seriously--how can you frame such a clear-cut interpretation so crookedly?

And, if it needs to be said, I hereby condemn angry mobs running people down in the streets, forcing them into "shelter" at a hotel, even IF they've been critical of your group, so let's not paint this as pro-antifa sympathizing or whatever. But let's also be clear that Andy Ngo's viewpoints, and expression of them, is what got him chased through Portland, not his almond-shaped eyes.

Which I imagine you know full well.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Lack of sunlight doesn't cause anarchists. Lack of sunlight causes sparkly vampires.

As evidenced by those sparkly vampires, it also causes a sense of nihilism and emo angst. Both of which correlate well with anarchists

Funny. The real deal is that protestors are welcome in Portland. And that's why we get so many. Portland has a long history as a liberal city that is open to all. And open to many different opinions. People with diverse opinions can come here and find like minded friends. The cops aren't going to harrass you. Cool beans. But when the protesters go too far, they start turning off people. And that's happening now. People are turning against them. We want our city back. I don't know why they don't march in cities where the real problems are. Why fuck up one of the most liberal (and successful business wise) communities in the country? Portland has it all: great weather (sorry anti rain people, I don't want to live in a desert); green everywhere; great ski mountain; great kayaking; great hiking; great place to do business; and an open liberal city that is welcoming. If the rest of the country where more like Portland, we wouldn't have much of the problems that people are complaining about.

 

[Gun Nut]

Korryn Gaines case. She, a "sovereign citizen" who thinks US laws don't apply to her, threatened police with a shotgun. Officers were found to be justified in shooting her, but nevertheless a jury awarded her $38 million (!), when it should have awarded her zero dollars and attorney fees to the county because her greedy family filed a frivolous lawsuit.

The woman used her own 5-year-old son as a shield.. clearly a crazy bitch. The cops accidently shot the 5-year-old and it was determined that, while the shooting of the mother was justified, the reckless nature of how and where the warrant was served created an unnecessary risk to the young child, resulting in his death. The award was to the family for their loss of the child.
Monetary value of a human life is a sensitive subject, but actuaries that deal in wrongful death lawsuits have a model... the "value of life"

It's $9.6 million + $120,000 per year of "quality life".

so, a 5 year old that is expected to live with a good quality of life up to age 75 would be worth $9,600,000 + $120,000 * 70 = $18M

I don't know why they doubled it.. unless it had to do with the egregiousness of the thing, or that it was mother and child both, or that this represented the termination of an entire family line... IDK.

But the idea that holding cops accountable for an easily avoidable death simply by serving her warrant at her place of work, or the grocery store, or ANYWHERE beside where she had access to her child that the police already observed her use as a shield during the instigating vehicular incident, is FAR FAR FAR from "frivolous".

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

 

[Gun Nut]

Vandalism, even if "mild" is hardly part of peaceful protesting.

So justified police shooting for making graffiti - if it ain't peaceful, it must be violent.

<sigh> Yes, Derec, mild vandalism that does only temporary, reversible, damage is part of peaceful protests, despite being a misdemeanor.
Murdering security guards, cops, and threatening to murder elected officials unless they overrule the majority will is not peaceful protesting. It's what the GoP does when the end of their power in sight.
BUT IF ONLY those redneck cousin-fuckers just spray-painted "WE HATE LOSING!" all over the capital building and called it a day, that would have been much more appropriate.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But the idea that holding cops accountable for an easily avoidable death simply by serving her warrant at her place of work, or the grocery store, or ANYWHERE beside where she had access to her child that the police already observed her use as a shield during the instigating vehicular incident, is FAR FAR FAR from "frivolous".

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

It's the jury system being stupid. You're just replacing one hostage with another. A woman who will take her own child hostage would have grabbed anyone around as a hostage. The only way to make it safe would be to only arrest people when they're alone--but that's not feasible.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Korryn Gaines case. She, a "sovereign citizen" who thinks US laws don't apply to her, threatened police with a shotgun. Officers were found to be justified in shooting her, but nevertheless a jury awarded her $38 million (!), when it should have awarded her zero dollars and attorney fees to the county because her greedy family filed a frivolous lawsuit.

The woman used her own 5-year-old son as a shield.. clearly a crazy bitch. The cops accidently shot the 5-year-old and it was determined that, while the shooting of the mother was justified, the reckless nature of how and where the warrant was served created an unnecessary risk to the young child, resulting in his death. The award was to the family for their loss of the child.
Monetary value of a human life is a sensitive subject, but actuaries that deal in wrongful death lawsuits have a model... the "value of life"

It's $9.6 million + $120,000 per year of "quality life".

so, a 5 year old that is expected to live with a good quality of life up to age 75 would be worth $9,600,000 + $120,000 * 70 = $18M

I don't know why they doubled it.. unless it had to do with the egregiousness of the thing, or that it was mother and child both, or that this represented the termination of an entire family line... IDK.

But the idea that holding cops accountable for an easily avoidable death simply by serving her warrant at her place of work, or the grocery store, or ANYWHERE beside where she had access to her child that the police already observed her use as a shield during the instigating vehicular incident, is FAR FAR FAR from "frivolous".

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

Yea, that really sucks. But here's a novel idea: why not protest in the city where this happened? Why does Portland get all fucked up? (Not attacking you)

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yah sure ya betcha. And antifa attacked the Capitol on Jan 6. Just ask any of your fellow BLM haters.

We've known since day 1 that Antifa wasn't involved in the January 6th protest - there were no molotovs.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

An interesting development on the Antifa riots. If you are the wrong race, you will get assaulted.

Man claimed to be Andy Ngo chased away from Portland protest

Portland Protesters Chase, Tackle and Punch Someone They Believe to Be Andy Ngo Until He Hides in The Nines Hotel

We all know that showing people what Antifa does is something only "fascists" (sic) do. But this individual wasn't doing that. He was guilty of being an Asian Man in Portland.

How do you get, from those sources, that the guy was being hounded "for being Asian?"

What the sources suggest (and common sense would support) is that the guy in question was being hounded for being (in the eyes of the crowd pursuing him) a right-wing shit-stirrer, not for "being the wrong race." Seriously--how can you frame such a clear-cut interpretation so crookedly?

And, if it needs to be said, I hereby condemn angry mobs running people down in the streets, forcing them into "shelter" at a hotel, even IF they've been critical of your group, so let's not paint this as pro-antifa sympathizing or whatever. But let's also be clear that Andy Ngo's viewpoints, and expression of them, is what got him chased through Portland, not his almond-shaped eyes.

Which I imagine you know full well.

The guy they hounded wasn't Andy Ngo ... but he did also have "almond-shaped eyes" just like Andy Ngo does.

And yes, it did need to be said that you condemn running people down in the streets. It needs to be said because anyone who shows any sympathy to Antifa needs to consistently and repeatedly distance themselves from what Antifa does.

 

[Gun Nut]

But the idea that holding cops accountable for an easily avoidable death simply by serving her warrant at her place of work, or the grocery store, or ANYWHERE beside where she had access to her child that the police already observed her use as a shield during the instigating vehicular incident, is FAR FAR FAR from "frivolous".

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

It's the jury system being stupid. You're just replacing one hostage with another. A woman who will take her own child hostage would have grabbed anyone around as a hostage. The only way to make it safe would be to only arrest people when they're alone--but that's not feasible.

Not only is it feasible, it is the common practice since the 1800's when billy the kid would stake out outhouses and go after people when they had their pants down and their friends weren't around to help them... Isolating your target before attack is common, normal, ordinary, and recommended for safety.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But the idea that holding cops accountable for an easily avoidable death simply by serving her warrant at her place of work, or the grocery store, or ANYWHERE beside where she had access to her child that the police already observed her use as a shield during the instigating vehicular incident, is FAR FAR FAR from "frivolous".

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

It's the jury system being stupid. You're just replacing one hostage with another. A woman who will take her own child hostage would have grabbed anyone around as a hostage. The only way to make it safe would be to only arrest people when they're alone--but that's not feasible.

Not only is it feasible, it is the common practice since the 1800's when billy the kid would stake out outhouses and go after people when they had their pants down and their friends weren't around to help them... Isolating your target before attack is common, normal, ordinary, and recommended for safety.

You're not addressing my point at all--isolating the target doesn't work very well against a target with a family who deliberately seeks not to be isolated.

 

[Derec]

How many BLM types were arrested in the Keystone Coup? Appears to be zero.

I think there was one or so.

How many right wing types have been arrested in "BLM" violence? Appears to be an appreciable percentage of the total.

I have not seen any evidence that it is an "appreciable percentage of the total". There have been a few cases and some of the claimed ones (like the 3rd precinct arson) do not pass the smell test.

In any case, the #BLM/Antifa rioting has been going on since 2014 (hugely intensifying in Summer 2020) and is still ongoing in places like Portland and Minneapolis. The cumulative number of rioters has been orders of magnitude higher than the number of January 6th rioters that only lasted one day and was confined to one place. So with the much higher overall number of rioters, it is hardly surprising that a few of them are false flags. But in particular with these new Portland riots there is no indication that they are false flags. You seem to assume that any white rioter must be a false flag, even though there are many white #BLM and Antifa supporters.

 

[Derec]

The woman used her own 5-year-old son as a shield.. clearly a crazy bitch.

Crazy in he colloquial sense of the word. I have not seen any reason to think she was crazy in the mental health sense; certainly not to the extent to make her not responsible for her choices and actions.
If she was a white sovereign citizen rather than a black one, she have no supporters at all. But because she was black, she is yet another #BLM martyr.

The cops accidently shot the 5-year-old and it was determined that, while the shooting of the mother was justified, the reckless nature of how and where the warrant was served created an unnecessary risk to the young child, resulting in his death.

First of all, the kid did not die, but was only very slightly injured. Where do you get your info from anyway?
Second, I do not see what's reckless with serving a warrant at somebody's place of residence. Note that this was supposed to be a routine FTA warrant service, and Gaines escalated it to a felony warrant service when she threatened police with a gun and effectively took her son hostage. Any injury to him was her fault, not the police's.

The award was to the family for their loss of the child.

There was no loss of a child. Again, THE KID IS FINE.

I don't know why they doubled it.. unless it had to do with the egregiousness of the thing, or that it was mother and child both, or that this represented the termination of an entire family line... IDK.

The jury pulled the number out of their asses. US needs a through reform of the tort system - awards should be based on objective standard and not subjectively made up by juries and lawsuits against police should not be allowed if the shooting was justified as it was in this case.

But the idea that holding cops accountable for an easily avoidable death simply by serving her warrant at her place of work, or the grocery store, or ANYWHERE beside where she had access to her child that the police already observed her use as a shield during the instigating vehicular incident, is FAR FAR FAR from "frivolous".

Of course it is frivolous. Serving warrants at a place of residence is not violating any laws or professional standards and it was Gaines who escalated a routine warrant service into something deadly. And again, it was deadly only to her luckily.

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

The McDonalds coffee case was a ridiculous one as well (she spilled the hot coffee on herself while she was recklessly balancing the cup between her thighs) , no matter the amount of apologetics written about it by trial lawyers who are making out like bandits based on stupid US tort laws that allow for things like juries making up dollar amounts out of whole cloth which is I think something unique to the US.

 

[Derec]

<sigh> Yes, Derec, mild vandalism that does only temporary, reversible, damage is part of peaceful protests, despite being a misdemeanor.

No, vandalism is NOT peaceful in any sense of the word. When people break windows, steal merchandise from stores, etc. they are rioters and looters, not peaceful protesters, no matter their alleged cause.

Murdering security guards, cops, and threatening to murder elected officials unless they overrule the majority will is not peaceful protesting.

Who said it was? But #BLM has also killed people during their riots.

It's what the GoP does when the end of their power in sight.

January 6th was a very limited riot. Few hours, one location. It pales in comparisons to many months of rioting by #BLM and Antifa in 2020 alone with looting, rioting, arson (including federal government buildings like courthouses and ICE offices - Capitol is not the only building that matters!!!)

BUT IF ONLY those redneck cousin-fuckers just spray-painted "WE HATE LOSING!" all over the capital building and called it a day, that would have been much more appropriate.

If only the commie cousin-fuckers rioted for a day and went home, it would have been better too, but instead they loot, they burn, they riot ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

It makes me sick that every time you leftists riot it is excused with January 6th whataboutism. Those rioters were wrong, but that does not make #BLM/Antifa right.

 

[laughing dog]

No, vandalism is NOT peaceful in any sense of the word. When people break windows, steal merchandise from stores, etc. they are rioters and looters, not peaceful protesters, no matter their alleged cause.

A riot is much more than some broken windows. Stealing from stores via broken windows is looting.

Who said it was? But #BLM has also killed people during their riots.

Can you link to some #BLMers that have been convicted of killing people during riots? And have #BLMers killed more or fewer people than the police during these same riots?

January 6th was a very limited riot. Few hours, one location. It pales in comparisons to many months of rioting by #BLM and Antifa in 2020 alone with looting, rioting, arson (including federal government buildings like courthouses and ICE offices - Capitol is not the only building that matters!!!)

Yeah, white people attempting to overthrow the elected government, causing death and harm to law enforcement and threatening to murder elected officials is nothing in comparison to property damage, etc.... BTW, this is not about whataboutism, it is simply illustrates your double standard and bias.

 

[Gun Nut]

Not only is it feasible, it is the common practice since the 1800's when billy the kid would stake out outhouses and go after people when they had their pants down and their friends weren't around to help them... Isolating your target before attack is common, normal, ordinary, and recommended for safety.

You're not addressing my point at all--isolating the target doesn't work very well against a target with a family who deliberately seeks not to be isolated.

If your only point unaddressed is that she may have crazy glued herself to the kid, then.. um, sure, whatever. It is physically impossible to literally NEVER be out of physical contact with another specific person.

I challenge you to NEVER break physical contact with a quarter ($.25 coin). Eventually you are gong to have to put it down... unless you stick it up your ass or something.

 

[Gun Nut]

The McDonalds coffee case was a ridiculous one as well (she spilled the hot coffee on herself while she was recklessly balancing the cup between her thighs) , no matter the amount of apologetics written about it by trial lawyers who are making out like bandits based on stupid US tort laws that allow for things like juries making up dollar amounts out of whole cloth which is I think something unique to the US.

None of this is true... it is a lie pushed by the chamber of commerce PAC to support the elimination of corporate liability. I also had this conversation with you and sited case information for you. Yet, you took the bait and pushed the lie regardless. you have been caught doing what all the dishonest people with no support for their views do.. just ignore the information you don't like.

.. and to clear the record of your ignorant lies... the woman was PARKED, not driving. The coffee was in the CUP HOLDER, not her lap. The lid fell off as she lifted the coffee, causing the spill. The coffee was 40 degrees F hotter than allowed by corporate policy, and that location had been sent multiple complaints, and multiple memos from corproate in response, telling the manager to adjust the temp. Manager stated that it meant they would have to make another pot of coffee due to cooling off, so they ignored it. The woman who was ingured DIED OF HER INGURIES.. this was a WONGFUL DEATH suit.

It takes incredible idiocy to call this case frivolous (unless you are campaigning to eliminate the ability to hold companies accountable for recklessness - or have been completely and irreversibly brainwashed by them and refuse to simply read the case directly yourself)