New riots in Portland!

[Jimmy Higgins]

But at least you didn't refer to the McDonalds coffee murder case in your defense of the "establishment" in all civil matters.

The McDonalds coffee case was a ridiculous one as well (she spilled the hot coffee on herself while she was recklessly balancing the cup between her thighs) , no matter the amount of apologetics written about it by trial lawyers who are making out like bandits based on stupid US tort laws that allow for things like juries making up dollar amounts out of whole cloth which is I think something unique to the US.

Well, you seem to have a misunderstanding of the following words:

• ridiculous
• recklessly
• hot

She required skin grafts.
She was in a parked car, passenger seat.
The coffee was scalding.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

January 6th was a very limited riot. Few hours, one location. It pales in comparisons to many months of rioting by #BLM and Antifa in 2020 alone with looting, rioting, arson (including federal government buildings like courthouses and ICE offices - Capitol is not the only building that matters!!!)

Yeah, white people attempting to overthrow the elected government, causing death and harm to law enforcement and threatening to murder elected officials is nothing in comparison to property damage, etc.... BTW, this is not about whataboutism, it is simply illustrates your double standard and bias.

Yeah, they evacuated Congress while finalizing the election. So "very limited".

 

[fromderinside]

I'm all for declaring Derec something different. Rather than double standard'sent', how about another 'sent'.

I kind of like absent. That way we can vacate his presence by just ignoring him.

No need to react to the ort master at all.

In all in for minimizing political energy dissipation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How many BLM types were arrested in the Keystone Coup? Appears to be zero.

I think there was one or so.

One who was false-flagging as BLM. He was a right winger, though.

How many right wing types have been arrested in "BLM" violence? Appears to be an appreciable percentage of the total.

I have not seen any evidence that it is an "appreciable percentage of the total". There have been a few cases and some of the claimed ones (like the 3rd precinct arson) do not pass the smell test.

In any case, the #BLM/Antifa rioting has been going on since 2014 (hugely intensifying in Summer 2020) and is still ongoing in places like Portland and Minneapolis. The cumulative number of rioters has been orders of magnitude higher than the number of January 6th rioters that only lasted one day and was confined to one place. So with the much higher overall number of rioters, it is hardly surprising that a few of them are false flags. But in particular with these new Portland riots there is no indication that they are false flags. You seem to assume that any white rioter must be a false flag, even though there are many white #BLM and Antifa supporters.

Most of what BLM is doing isn't riots.

And the police arrest leaders without any basis in an attempt to get rid of the situation, the charges get tossed. When the right wing types get arrested it's generally more serious charges that actually stick.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not only is it feasible, it is the common practice since the 1800's when billy the kid would stake out outhouses and go after people when they had their pants down and their friends weren't around to help them... Isolating your target before attack is common, normal, ordinary, and recommended for safety.

You're not addressing my point at all--isolating the target doesn't work very well against a target with a family who deliberately seeks not to be isolated.

If your only point unaddressed is that she may have crazy glued herself to the kid, then.. um, sure, whatever. It is physically impossible to literally NEVER be out of physical contact with another specific person.

I challenge you to NEVER break physical contact with a quarter ($.25 coin). Eventually you are gong to have to put it down... unless you stick it up your ass or something.

1) I didn't say contact. I said near.

2) I didn't say one specific person. I said people.

The point is that it's basically impossible to ensure you can capture someone when they aren't in a position to take a hostage so long as they have a family. They won't always be with the family but they can always be near someone.

As for the difficulty: For a year I had my passport on my person except when officials had it, or when I was bathing (at which point my mother always had it), or the 5 days I attempted to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro (during which my mother had it.) Likewise, if she didn't have her passport either an official had it or I had it (she couldn't have done the mountain.) They were never set down. Unless they were going to be needed they were carried under clothing.

 

[Emily Lake]

Lack of sunlight doesn't cause anarchists. Lack of sunlight causes sparkly vampires.

As evidenced by those sparkly vampires, it also causes a sense of nihilism and emo angst. Both of which correlate well with anarchists

Funny. The real deal is that protestors are welcome in Portland. And that's why we get so many. Portland has a long history as a liberal city that is open to all. And open to many different opinions. People with diverse opinions can come here and find like minded friends. The cops aren't going to harrass you. Cool beans. But when the protesters go too far, they start turning off people. And that's happening now. People are turning against them. We want our city back. I don't know why they don't march in cities where the real problems are. Why fuck up one of the most liberal (and successful business wise) communities in the country? Portland has it all: great weather (sorry anti rain people, I don't want to live in a desert); green everywhere; great ski mountain; great kayaking; great hiking; great place to do business; and an open liberal city that is welcoming. If the rest of the country where more like Portland, we wouldn't have much of the problems that people are complaining about.

All true... but both Portland and Seattle also have a long history of anarchist groups tearing shit up.

 

[Emily Lake]

How do you get, from those sources, that the guy was being hounded "for being Asian?"

What the sources suggest (and common sense would support) is that the guy in question was being hounded for being (in the eyes of the crowd pursuing him) a right-wing shit-stirrer, not for "being the wrong race." Seriously--how can you frame such a clear-cut interpretation so crookedly?

Well, that would be because the gentleman in question was NOT Andy Ngo... but apparently 'all them orientals look the same'?

 

[Emily Lake]

The McDonalds coffee case was a ridiculous one as well (she spilled the hot coffee on herself while she was recklessly balancing the cup between her thighs) , no matter the amount of apologetics written about it by trial lawyers who are making out like bandits based on stupid US tort laws that allow for things like juries making up dollar amounts out of whole cloth which is I think something unique to the US.

None of this is true... it is a lie pushed by the chamber of commerce PAC to support the elimination of corporate liability. I also had this conversation with you and sited case information for you. Yet, you took the bait and pushed the lie regardless. you have been caught doing what all the dishonest people with no support for their views do.. just ignore the information you don't like.

.. and to clear the record of your ignorant lies... the woman was PARKED, not driving. The coffee was in the CUP HOLDER, not her lap. The lid fell off as she lifted the coffee, causing the spill. The coffee was 40 degrees F hotter than allowed by corporate policy, and that location had been sent multiple complaints, and multiple memos from corproate in response, telling the manager to adjust the temp. Manager stated that it meant they would have to make another pot of coffee due to cooling off, so they ignored it. The woman who was ingured DIED OF HER INGURIES.. this was a WONGFUL DEATH suit.

It takes incredible idiocy to call this case frivolous (unless you are campaigning to eliminate the ability to hold companies accountable for recklessness - or have been completely and irreversibly brainwashed by them and refuse to simply read the case directly yourself)

Wait... back up here. You're both wrong on many points, but some of the points are right.

The woman in question was the passenger in the car, and wasn't driving at all. She did not die, but she was burned quite badly - it was not a wrongful death suit.

While it sounded absurd on the surface, the coffee at that location was, as mentioned way hotter than it should have been, and the location had previously been warned to lower their temperatures.

So... maybe both of you ought to read the case info?
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

 

[Gun Nut]

The McDonalds coffee case was a ridiculous one as well (she spilled the hot coffee on herself while she was recklessly balancing the cup between her thighs) , no matter the amount of apologetics written about it by trial lawyers who are making out like bandits based on stupid US tort laws that allow for things like juries making up dollar amounts out of whole cloth which is I think something unique to the US.

None of this is true... it is a lie pushed by the chamber of commerce PAC to support the elimination of corporate liability. I also had this conversation with you and sited case information for you. Yet, you took the bait and pushed the lie regardless. you have been caught doing what all the dishonest people with no support for their views do.. just ignore the information you don't like.

.. and to clear the record of your ignorant lies... the woman was PARKED, not driving. The coffee was in the CUP HOLDER, not her lap. The lid fell off as she lifted the coffee, causing the spill. The coffee was 40 degrees F hotter than allowed by corporate policy, and that location had been sent multiple complaints, and multiple memos from corproate in response, telling the manager to adjust the temp. Manager stated that it meant they would have to make another pot of coffee due to cooling off, so they ignored it. The woman who was ingured DIED OF HER INGURIES.. this was a WONGFUL DEATH suit.

It takes incredible idiocy to call this case frivolous (unless you are campaigning to eliminate the ability to hold companies accountable for recklessness - or have been completely and irreversibly brainwashed by them and refuse to simply read the case directly yourself)

Wait... back up here. You're both wrong on many points, but some of the points are right.

The woman in question was the passenger in the car, and wasn't driving at all. She did not die, but she was burned quite badly - it was not a wrongful death suit.

The woman needed 5 surgeries (skin grafts, as you said) in total, and subsequently died due to complications related to her last surgery. I will check my facts on her being a passenger versus driver.. I forget. Point was no one was driving. The car was parked in the lot after pulling out of the drive-thru.

While it sounded absurd on the surface, the coffee at that location was, as mentioned way hotter than it should have been, and the location had previously been warned to lower their temperatures.

So... maybe both of you ought to read the case info?
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

I'll revisit... it's been a while.

 

[Derec]

The woman needed 5 surgeries (skin grafts, as you said) in total,

Due to her own negligence. She was the one who spilled the coffee. She removed the top and negligently balanced the cup of hot liquid between her thighs.

and subsequently died due to complications related to her last surgery.

Oh please! She died 22 years after she spilled coffee all over herself, at the age of 91.
Maybe hot McD is the elixir of youth, lmao!

Point was no one was driving. The car was parked in the lot after pulling out of the drive-thru.

How does that change anything? It was still she who negligently spilled hot coffee all over herself, not a McD employee.

While it sounded absurd on the surface, the coffee at that location was, as mentioned way hotter than it should have been, and the location had previously been warned to lower their temperatures.

By whom? And from what I could find, McD did not lower their coffee temperature after this frivolous lawsuit.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

I'll revisit... it's been a while.

I have read it and discussed in on here before. If you want to rehash it, start another thread. But note that this link is by a trial lawyer association. They have a vested interest in multimillion dollar verdicts for idiots who injure themselves doing stupid things like balancing hot coffee on their crotch.


US lawyers be like: sue the maker of the pot, the maker of the spoon, the manufacturer of the stove, the power company, landlord/HOA and the hen who laid the egg.

 

[Derec]

To get back on topic of rioting in Portlandia:

Man sentenced to 5 years in prison for arson at Portland police precinct

A man who pleaded guilty to first-degree arson after starting a fire at the Portland Police Bureau’s North Precinct on June 26, 2020, will spend five years in prison.
Gavaughn Streeter-Hillerich will be required to pay an undetermined amount of restitution to the city of Portland and be in post-prison supervision for three years after his release, according to Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt.
Streeter-Hillerich also pleaded guilty to coercion, unlawful use of a weapon and two counts of fourth-degree assault, the DA's office said.

Must be just another "booger boi", right?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To get back on topic of rioting in Portlandia:

Man sentenced to 5 years in prison for arson at Portland police precinct

A man who pleaded guilty to first-degree arson after starting a fire at the Portland Police Bureau’s North Precinct on June 26, 2020, will spend five years in prison.
Gavaughn Streeter-Hillerich will be required to pay an undetermined amount of restitution to the city of Portland and be in post-prison supervision for three years after his release, according to Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt.
Streeter-Hillerich also pleaded guilty to coercion, unlawful use of a weapon and two counts of fourth-degree assault, the DA's office said.

Must be just another "booger boi", right?

Wasn't this one a personal issue--revenge for the cops arresting his brother?

 

[Derec]

Wasn't this one a personal issue--revenge for the cops arresting his brother?

His brother is in prison but I do not know to what extent that played a role in his actions. A personal issue can definitely coexist with a more ideological/political (in this case #BLM) motivation.