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Now are you willing to believe the PA pays terrorists?

 
 
 
In the light of the atrocities heaped on the people of Palestine by Israel, it is possible and plausible to expect that the PA attempts to compensate those who are on its side and the Times of Israel would label anybody opposed to Israeli operations as a terrorist. Come on now...this article came from TIMES OF ISRAEL. This is clearly a propaganda rag.
 
arkirk said:
In the light of the atrocities heaped on the people of Palestine by Israel, it is possible and plausible to expect that the PA attempts to compensate those who are on its side and the Times of Israel would label anybody opposed to Israeli operations as a terrorist. Come on now...this article came from TIMES OF ISRAEL. This is clearly a propaganda rag.
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That doesn't change the fact that the compensation is being based on the terrorism they committed.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
arkirk said:
In the light of the atrocities heaped on the people of Palestine by Israel, it is possible and plausible to expect that the PA attempts to compensate those who are on its side and the Times of Israel would label anybody opposed to Israeli operations as a terrorist. Come on now...this article came from TIMES OF ISRAEL. This is clearly a propaganda rag.
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That doesn't change the fact that the compensation is being based on the terrorism they committed.
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The Times of Israel charged that compensation is being....etc. Blah, Blah, Blah.:tongue:

Israel kills hundreds of babies and not one whisper of complaint. The entire bankrolling of the IDF is devoted to terroristic domination of more than a million in Gaza and the West Bank. Whatever the other side does is peanuts.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
arkirk said:
In the light of the atrocities heaped on the people of Palestine by Israel, it is possible and plausible to expect that the PA attempts to compensate those who are on its side and the Times of Israel would label anybody opposed to Israeli operations as a terrorist. Come on now...this article came from TIMES OF ISRAEL. This is clearly a propaganda rag.
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That doesn't change the fact that the compensation is being based on the terrorism they committed.
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That is simply pay for performance, something a moderate libertarian ought to endorse.
 
laughing dog said:
Loren Pechtel said:
That doesn't change the fact that the compensation is being based on the terrorism they committed.
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That is simply pay for performance, something a moderate libertarian ought to endorse.
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If I'm not mistaken, we pay our SEALs more than ordinary sailors, and out Delta Force soldiers more than regular Army soldiers. Isn't that pretty much the same thing? We pay the bombers, assassins, infiltrators, and "wet work" guys based on what they do, and we keep paying them even if they're imprisoned.

Now, whether or not the PA personnel imprisoned by Israel are actually terrorists is another question.
 
laughing dog said:
Loren Pechtel said:
That doesn't change the fact that the compensation is being based on the terrorism they committed.
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That is simply pay for performance, something a moderate libertarian ought to endorse.
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Terrorism isn't something anyone should endorse.

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Arctish said:
laughing dog said:
That is simply pay for performance, something a moderate libertarian ought to endorse.
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If I'm not mistaken, we pay our SEALs more than ordinary sailors, and out Delta Force soldiers more than regular Army soldiers. Isn't that pretty much the same thing? We pay the bombers, assassins, infiltrators, and "wet work" guys based on what they do, and we keep paying them even if they're imprisoned.

Now, whether or not the PA personnel imprisoned by Israel are actually terrorists is another question.
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We pay them for being SEALs. We don't pay them for killing non-combatants.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
laughing dog said:
That is simply pay for performance, something a moderate libertarian ought to endorse.
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Terrorism isn't something anyone should endorse.
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But pay for performance is a foundation of moderate libertarian thought because it encourages people to produce what is paid. And people endorse terrorism all the time. For example, supporters of the IDF support terrorism. They just will not or cannot admit to it. Just like supporters of Hamas will not or cannot admit Hamas encourages terrorism. Really, your OP position is inconsistent with your stated principles.
 
Every government pays its soldiers. This is news?

If you are going to endorse something sensible, like the government having an ever decreasing portion of its budget go to enforcement, why do you only pick one government and not do the sensible thing and apply it to all governments?
 
Has Israel asked PA to cut these payments off as part of the negotiations? If not, I don't see what the complaint is exactly. If Israel doesn't care about it, why should we?

Besides Israel pays the settlers to steal Palestinian land.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Every government pays its soldiers. This is news?

If you are going to endorse something sensible, like the government having an ever decreasing portion of its budget go to enforcement, why do you only pick one government and not do the sensible thing and apply it to all governments?
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1) Most countries don't pay their soldiers for committing war crimes.

2) You just admitted that the terrorists are in the pay of the Palestinian authority.
 
You want to stop these payments?

End the oppression and give back the land you stole.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Every government pays its soldiers. This is news?

If you are going to endorse something sensible, like the government having an ever decreasing portion of its budget go to enforcement, why do you only pick one government and not do the sensible thing and apply it to all governments?
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1) Most countries don't pay their soldiers for committing war crimes.

2) You just admitted that the terrorists are in the pay of the Palestinian authority.
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1) Such as current US military activity?

2) So?
 
untermensche said:
You want to stop these payments?

End the oppression and give back the land you stole.
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Assuming they actually stole the land: what becomes of the Israeli citizens now that they don't have a country?

And the total violence won't go down, anyway. It's just going to show up elsewhere.

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Underseer said:
Loren Pechtel said:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-studies-details-of-each-terrorist-act-before-issuing-salaries/


What does it take to get some of you to admit the truth?
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So if a government pays people who kill civilians, then that government is illegitimate and should be abolished?
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You're misstating what's going on.

It's not a matter of "who". It's a matter of "for".
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Assuming they actually stole the land: what becomes of the Israeli citizens now that they don't have a country?
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I'm pretty sure the comment was in reference to the West Bank (and maybe including the Gaza Strip).

Just a few references to the illegality of Israeli Apartheid...
The UN; 1/31/2013:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/un-panel-israeli-settlements-illegal_n_2589394.html
GENEVA -- The United Nations' first report on Israel's overall settlement policy describes it as a "creeping annexation" of territory that clearly violates the human rights of Palestinians, and calls for Israel to immediately stop further such construction.

The report's conclusions, revealed Thursday, are not legally binding, but they further inflame tensions between the U.N. Human Rights Council and Israel, and between Israel and the Palestinians.
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Nov 2013, The Obama Administration
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...ents-are-illegitimate-201311613594909400.html
John Kerry, the US secretary of state, has said that Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are "illegitimate" and not helpful to ongoing efforts for peace between Palestine and Israel.
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2002: The Bush Administration
http://passblue.com/2014/07/11/israeli-settlements-a-timeline-from-1967-to-now/
April 4: President George W. Bush, in a speech on the Middle East, says settlement activity must cease. “Consistent with the Mitchell plan, Israeli settlement activity in occupied territories must stop, and the occupation must end through withdrawal to secure and recognized boundaries, consistent with United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338.”
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July 2013; The EU:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/16/eu-israel-settlement-exclusion-clause
The directive follows a decision by EU foreign ministers last December that "all agreements between the state of Israel and the EU must unequivocally and explicitly indicate their inapplicability to the territories occupied by Israel in 1967". All Israeli settlements are illegal under international law.
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What Israel is doing is constructing the equivalent of South African Apartheid. If they think they won the West Bank in war, and it is now theirs. Fine. Then let ALL the Israeli citizen within the West Bank vote in their elections.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Assuming they actually stole the land: what becomes of the Israeli citizens now that they don't have a country?

And the total violence won't go down, anyway. It's just going to show up elsewhere.
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We are forced to assume they stole the land. Even Israeli courts have ruled the settlements are a violation of international law.

And of course your promises of violence without end have absolutely no bearing what-so-ever.

If this were a valid tactic then we would have no borders or no sovereign nations anywhere.
 
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