Nuclear war between Russia and America within one year?

[Will Wiley]

I don't think Putin is that crazy.

At the end of the day Putin will try to protect Russia.
You guys live in some fantasy world where America can do as it pleases and nothing bad can ever happen. If you stopped watching fox news you'd know that the threat has become real again.
It's time to stop living in Disneyland .
America has put nuclear weapons throughout Europe and Russia has said it considers this a threat. When you combine this with the fact that America launches pre-emptive strikes and wars on the basis of documented lies, and the American people do nothing about this, then one must understand that Russia knows a pre-emptive strike from America is a possibility. Which means they may consider it wise to strike first.
Combine this with the fact that America wants Putin out and that whenever America organises regime change someone worse comes to power and the danger is real.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRGCtNh00ZA[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Jayjay]

You're underestimating the man. If it comes down to a dick measuring contest between Putin and Trump about who has more machismo, neither is man enough to be able to use their brains.

Putin certainly has intelligence.
There isn't a western politician anywhere capable of the speeches Putin gives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_speech_of_Vladimir_Putin

Western politicians are pathetic by comparison, including the imbeciles in Canada that you vote for

Guess who else had a reputation for being a good speaker? This guy:

Making good speaches is a skill for sure, but it's his real agenda that counts. Of course, I don't think it includes an all-out nuclear war, but even veiled threats involving nuclear weapons are worrisome steps backwards.

 

[barbos]

Don't worry, Putin is actually pretty bad speaker, much worse than Obama anyway.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I don't think Putin is that crazy.

At the end of the day Putin will try to protect Russia.
You guys live in some fantasy world where America can do as it pleases and nothing bad can ever happen. If you stopped watching fox news you'd know that the threat has become real again.
It's time to stop living in Disneyland .
America has put nuclear weapons throughout Europe and Russia has said it considers this a threat. When you combine this with the fact that America launches pre-emptive strikes and wars on the basis of documented lies, and the American people do nothing about this, then one must understand that Russia knows a pre-emptive strike from America is a possibility. Which means they may consider it wise to strike first.
Combine this with the fact that America wants Putin out and that whenever America organises regime change someone worse comes to power and the danger is real.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRGCtNh00ZA[/YOUTUBE]

Do you honestly believe that the US wants to invade Russia? Or nuke it? That's just crazy talk. Most Americans and NATO members simply want the Baltic states to decide their own political future. Is that really too much of a burden?

 

[Harry Bosch]

I don't think Putin is that crazy.

You're underestimating the man. If it comes down to a dick measuring contest between Putin and Trump about who has more machismo, neither is man enough to be able to use their brains.

The scary thing is that I hear that Putin is considered the moderate in Russia. I hear that there are many potential leaders on Putin's right who would prefer a far more aggressive stance against the west and the Baltic states than Putin. I'd be curios to hear Barbos's opinion on this.

 

[barbos]

You're underestimating the man. If it comes down to a dick measuring contest between Putin and Trump about who has more machismo, neither is man enough to be able to use their brains.

The scary thing is that I hear that Putin is considered the moderate in Russia. I hear that there are many potential leaders on Putin's right who would prefer a far more aggressive stance against the west and the Baltic states than Putin. I'd be curios to hear Barbos's opinion on this.

Who said that? did they provide names?
I am sorry to inform you but that's complete bullshit, that's not to say that Putin is considered "right". First of all, there are not many potential leaders to replace Putin, unfortunately. Second of all, potential leaders who West potentially likes has tilted "right" significantly since this Ukraine business started. Even so-called opposition leaders don't promise to return Crimea to Ukraine, at best they promise another referendum in Crimea . I think most people here agreed that the guy is selling his book. But these baltic states are the same, they are selling something too when they cry about Russian threat. Nobody is gonna invade them and they know it, they are just using this imaginary threat to get attention.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The scary thing is that I hear that Putin is considered the moderate in Russia. I hear that there are many potential leaders on Putin's right who would prefer a far more aggressive stance against the west and the Baltic states than Putin. I'd be curios to hear Barbos's opinion on this.

Who said that? did they provide names?
I am sorry to inform you but that's complete bullshit, that's not to say that Putin is considered "right". First of all, there are not many potential leaders to replace Putin, unfortunately. Second of all, potential leaders who West potentially likes has tilted "right" significantly since this Ukraine business started. Even so-called opposition leaders don't promise to return Crimea to Ukraine, at best they promise another referendum in Crimea . I think most people here agreed that the guy is selling his book. But these baltic states are the same, they are selling something too when they cry about Russian threat. Nobody is gonna invade them and they know it, they are just using this imaginary threat to get attention.

I can't remember where I read that. I was really wanting your opinion. Even though you are more pro-Russian than I think is reasonable, I do think that you are more reasonable than most on the area! IMO: I think that Crimea is gone. It won't go back to Ukraine. From what I hear, most of the people there want it to remain in the east. I think that the primary issue is that the rest of Ukraine, Baltic states, Finland, Norway, and etc. remain sovereign. Of course Russia wants those areas for a sphere of influence. But again, this should be up to those countries. On the other hand, I agree with you that we (The US) are being too provocative in Eastern Europe. We have to support eastern Europe. But we need to balance that with not provoking Russia. Our enemy isn't Russia.

 

[arkirk]

We are spending a trillion dollars making our nuclear weapons more handy to use. Sound like a good idea? Of course not! Better talk it over with our Commander in Chief of this civilian nation. Obama has let his frustration on the home front shove him into international politics. He is really lousey at all forms of politics. This nuclear weapon revitalization for a trillion is about as foolhardy as any other project our government has attempted. It also is extremely dangerous. Obama thinks they can make these "surgical" like he pretends the drone strikes are. I would say I would be glad when he is out of office until I look at the Blond and the ginger in the wings fighting to take his place. I just have to throw up my hands and hope for the best, expecting of these clowns the worst.

 

[ZiprHead]

"You get a mushroom cloud! And you get a mushroom cloud! And you get a mushroom cloud!"

 

[barbos]

Who said that? did they provide names?
I am sorry to inform you but that's complete bullshit, that's not to say that Putin is considered "right". First of all, there are not many potential leaders to replace Putin, unfortunately. Second of all, potential leaders who West potentially likes has tilted "right" significantly since this Ukraine business started. Even so-called opposition leaders don't promise to return Crimea to Ukraine, at best they promise another referendum in Crimea . I think most people here agreed that the guy is selling his book. But these baltic states are the same, they are selling something too when they cry about Russian threat. Nobody is gonna invade them and they know it, they are just using this imaginary threat to get attention.

I can't remember where I read that. I was really wanting your opinion. Even though you are more pro-Russian than I think is reasonable, I do think that you are more reasonable than most on the area! IMO: I think that Crimea is gone. It won't go back to Ukraine. From what I hear, most of the people there want it to remain in the east. I think that the primary issue is that the rest of Ukraine, Baltic states, Finland, Norway, and etc. remain sovereign. Of course Russia wants those areas for a sphere of influence. But again, this should be up to those countries. On the other hand, I agree with you that we (The US) are being too provocative in Eastern Europe. We have to support eastern Europe. But we need to balance that with not provoking Russia. Our enemy isn't Russia.

I am not pro-anything. I am against simplistic and bombastic propaganda which western media is engaged in. I expected better from them.
As for for eastern europe it is indeed should be up to them but it is not. People in Montenegro are clearly against NATO membership but that was ignored. Russia just want decent neighbors like Finland, instead US goes around and install government which are openly hostile to Russia (Georgia, Ukraine). when they can't install a government they buy the one which is in power. When Putin went to Syria, they had to fly there first and US told Bulgaria to ban flights. That's Bulgaria who as a country was pretty much created by Russia and in general has had pretty pro-russian population.
Now all these air incidents between russian planes and US forces. US decided to be pain in the ass as much as legally possible with respect to Russia and when Russia answers in kind US shouts "Russian threat", Your fucking plane had transponder turned off, and you did the same when we had our transponders off!
Personally, I think Obama lets his generals talk too much. Politicians should talk, not generals.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I can't remember where I read that. I was really wanting your opinion. Even though you are more pro-Russian than I think is reasonable, I do think that you are more reasonable than most on the area! IMO: I think that Crimea is gone. It won't go back to Ukraine. From what I hear, most of the people there want it to remain in the east. I think that the primary issue is that the rest of Ukraine, Baltic states, Finland, Norway, and etc. remain sovereign. Of course Russia wants those areas for a sphere of influence. But again, this should be up to those countries. On the other hand, I agree with you that we (The US) are being too provocative in Eastern Europe. We have to support eastern Europe. But we need to balance that with not provoking Russia. Our enemy isn't Russia.

I am not pro-anything. I am against simplistic and bombastic propaganda which western media is engaged in. I expected better from them.
As for for eastern europe it is indeed should be up to them but it is not. People in Montenegro are against NATO membership but that was ignored. Russia just want decent neighbors like Finland, instead US goes around and install government which are openly hostile to Russia (Georgia, Ukraine). when they can't install a government they buy the one which is in power. When Putin went to Syria, they had to fly there first and US told Bulgaria to ban flights. That's Bulgaria who as a country was pretty much created by Russia and in general has had pretty pro-russian population.
Now all this air incidents between russian planes and US forces. US decided to be pain in the ass as much as legally possible with respect to Russia and when Russia answers in kind US shouts "Russian threat", Your fucking plane had transponder turned off, and you did the same when we had our transponders off!
Personally, I think Obama lets his military men talk too much. Politicians should talk not generals.

Again, I agree that the US has been more provocative that we should be with Russia. I think that we should try to mend with Russia. Bring down the rhetic a little. You don't really believe that the US installed a puppet government in Ukraine and are ruling that country against the people's will do you? Is it your opinion that the people of Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, and the Baltic states are being ruled by US puppets against the people's will? Does the average Russian believe that? If so, we may be headed to war afterall.

 

[barbos]

I am not pro-anything. I am against simplistic and bombastic propaganda which western media is engaged in. I expected better from them.
As for for eastern europe it is indeed should be up to them but it is not. People in Montenegro are against NATO membership but that was ignored. Russia just want decent neighbors like Finland, instead US goes around and install government which are openly hostile to Russia (Georgia, Ukraine). when they can't install a government they buy the one which is in power. When Putin went to Syria, they had to fly there first and US told Bulgaria to ban flights. That's Bulgaria who as a country was pretty much created by Russia and in general has had pretty pro-russian population.
Now all this air incidents between russian planes and US forces. US decided to be pain in the ass as much as legally possible with respect to Russia and when Russia answers in kind US shouts "Russian threat", Your fucking plane had transponder turned off, and you did the same when we had our transponders off!
Personally, I think Obama lets his military men talk too much. Politicians should talk not generals.

Again, I agree that the US has been more provocative that we should be with Russia. I think that we should try to mend with Russia. Bring down the rhetic a little. You don't really believe that the US installed a puppet government in Ukraine and are ruling that country against the people's will do you? Is it your opinion that the people of Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, and the Baltic states are being ruled by US puppets against the people's will? Does the average Russian believe that? If so, we may be headed to war afterall.

Was Japan government after WW2 a puppet regime?
The Irony here is that it would have been better for Ukraine if they had full blown external governance for a while at least, unfortunately for them they have complete democracy but without rule of the law or any kind of consistency in enforcing anything, it's anarchy in there.
It's hard to discount talks about puppet regime when US government directly and literally pays salary to the police and other government critters in foreign country.

 

[Will Wiley]

Again, I agree that the US has been more provocative that we should be with Russia. I think that we should try to mend with Russia. Bring down the rhetic a little. You don't really believe that the US installed a puppet government in Ukraine and are ruling that country against the people's will do you? Is it your opinion that the people of Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, and the Baltic states are being ruled by US puppets against the people's will? Does the average Russian believe that? If so, we may be headed to war afterall.

Prior to the coup organised by USA, Ukraine had some governments leaning to Russia and some leaning to the west. Viktor Yanukovych happened to be one leaning towards Russia. but he was a democratically elected leader. He was ousted in a violent coup.
When elections were held those in the East were under attack by the coup government and did not vote. So the present government was not elected by all Ukrainians.
Russia (or some of their politicians at least) has said on a few occasions that they consider Ukraine occupied by the USA. Of course Americans don't have any clue about this as they don't read. They just listen to the propaganda from their media and politicians.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Again, I agree that the US has been more provocative that we should be with Russia. I think that we should try to mend with Russia. Bring down the rhetic a little. You don't really believe that the US installed a puppet government in Ukraine and are ruling that country against the people's will do you? Is it your opinion that the people of Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, and the Baltic states are being ruled by US puppets against the people's will? Does the average Russian believe that? If so, we may be headed to war afterall.

Prior to the coup organised by USA, Ukraine had some governments leaning to Russia and some leaning to the west. Viktor Yanukovych happened to be one leaning towards Russia. but he was a democratically elected leader. He was ousted in a violent coup.
When elections were held this in the East were under attack by the coup government and did not vote. So the present government was not elected by all Ukrainians.
Russia (or some of their politicians at least) has said on a few occasions that they consider Ukraine occupied by the USA. Of course Americans don't have any clue about this as they don't read. They just listen to the propaganda from their media and politicians.

I notice zero link from a respectable source.

 

[Will Wiley]

Prior to the coup organised by USA, Ukraine had some governments leaning to Russia and some leaning to the west. Viktor Yanukovych happened to be one leaning towards Russia. but he was a democratically elected leader. He was ousted in a violent coup.
When elections were held this in the East were under attack by the coup government and did not vote. So the present government was not elected by all Ukrainians.
Russia (or some of their politicians at least) has said on a few occasions that they consider Ukraine occupied by the USA. Of course Americans don't have any clue about this as they don't read. They just listen to the propaganda from their media and politicians.

I notice zero link from a respectable source.

Which part are you questioning?
1.Are you unaware of the intercepted phone calls about the coup?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Again, I agree that the US has been more provocative that we should be with Russia. I think that we should try to mend with Russia. Bring down the rhetic a little. You don't really believe that the US installed a puppet government in Ukraine and are ruling that country against the people's will do you? Is it your opinion that the people of Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, and the Baltic states are being ruled by US puppets against the people's will? Does the average Russian believe that? If so, we may be headed to war afterall.

Prior to the coup organised by USA, Ukraine had some governments leaning to Russia and some leaning to the west. Viktor Yanukovych happened to be one leaning towards Russia. but he was a democratically elected leader. He was ousted in a violent coup.
When elections were held those in the East were under attack by the coup government and did not vote. So the present government was not elected by all Ukrainians.
Russia (or some of their politicians at least) has said on a few occasions that they consider Ukraine occupied by the USA. Of course Americans don't have any clue about this as they don't read. They just listen to the propaganda from their media and politicians.

He was a corrupt Russian puppet. They threw him out. Upon losing their puppet control Moscow resorted to invasion to regain control.

 

[barbos]

Yes, Yanukovich was properly corrupt, as is the current Ukrainian government. He was much less of a russian puppet than current government is US puppet. The truth is, Russia don't have enough money to support puppets on its borders.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes, Yanukovich was properly corrupt, as is the current Ukrainian government. He was much less of a russian puppet than current government is US puppet. The truth is, Russia don't have enough money to support puppets on its borders.

It's not about supporting puppets, but putting them on the throne.

 

[barbos]

Yes, Yanukovich was properly corrupt, as is the current Ukrainian government. He was much less of a russian puppet than current government is US puppet. The truth is, Russia don't have enough money to support puppets on its borders.

It's not about supporting puppets, but putting them on the throne.

Then US is guilty as charged.

 

[Will Wiley]

Yes, Yanukovich was properly corrupt, as is the current Ukrainian government. He was much less of a russian puppet than current government is US puppet. The truth is, Russia don't have enough money to support puppets on its borders.

It's not about supporting puppets, but putting them on the throne.

He was democratically elected. That is how he got on the throne.