Ohio State Senator - "The colored population" not washing their hands?

[laughing dog]

Clumsy wording for sure but what is so objectionable about asking a question as to why a particular demographic appears to be more susceptible to contracting the virus ?

There is nothing wrong with asking such questions - epidemologists and medical researchers do it frequently. But they are "agile" enought to avoid using overt racist terminology.

There's nothing overtly racist about saying "colored people". It is at worst old-fashioned, and not very long ago, it was the polite way of saying "not white". Unless you are going to claim that the NAACP is overtly racist?

It is certainly no more overtly racist than "people of color". Both are similarly stupid. Since all people have color.

Sorry, you are wrong: "the colored", "the colored people" and "the colored population" are racist.

 

[ruby sparks]

It is also worth repeating that the question was already answered before he even asked it!

Is that the case? I couldn’t get behind the paywall.

If it is the case then it would not reflect well on him.

Here's how I get behind paywalls: I open a new browser, using the incognito mode. It usually works for me.

I am a WaPo subscriber for ages. It's generally a really good news source, as well as the NYT.

Thanks Toni, yes that mostly works for me (though oddly not always for the WaPo) and I’ll try it when I get back on to my laptop.

Not sure how to go incognito on my iPhone.

 

[ruby sparks]

Ok I've seen the footage and read the articles now. It doesn't look as bad as I thought, and on the face of it it seems harsh he lost his job.

The question wasn't answered before he asked it. She was talking about risk of suffering or dying from covid. He was asking about catching it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think the use of "the colored population" says all one needs to know about Senator Huffman and his views.

The "people of color" population ???
Better?

Well, black is the lack of color. The senator is pink, however.

He's just admitting he doesn't wash his hands much.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ok I've seen the footage and read the articles now. It doesn't look as bad as I thought, and on the face of it it seems harsh he lost his job.

The question wasn't answered before he asked it. She was talking about risk of suffering or dying from covid. He was asking about catching it.

Yeah, that isn’t remotely accurate.

 

[Toni]

Here's how I get behind paywalls: I open a new browser, using the incognito mode. It usually works for me.

I am a WaPo subscriber for ages. It's generally a really good news source, as well as the NYT.

Thanks Toni, yes that mostly works for me (though oddly not always for the WaPo) and I’ll try it when I get back on to my laptop. ??????

Not sure how to go incognito on my iPhone.

On my iPhone, if I want to open a new browser, there is a small + sign on the bottom left corner. Click that and you can access a private browser. Click again to return to usual mode.

 

[Toni]

Ok I've seen the footage and read the articles now. It doesn't look as bad as I thought, and on the face of it it seems harsh he lost his job.

The question wasn't answered before he asked it. She was talking about risk of suffering or dying from covid. He was asking about catching it.

It's not at all harsh that he lost his job.There is a very old and apparently still current racist sentiment that black people are not as clean as white people. It also extends to other persons of color, in the right mouths. I've heard it myself.

Why does this matter? I mean, it's not as though we don't have plenty of racists saying stupid shit, a bunch of them in office. But this particular Senator is a physician. Black people often suffer more seriously negative outcomes due to bias in medical treatment. Black people have long been thought to suffer less pain or not to suffer pain at all, and generally receive less optimal care compared with whites, regardless of insurance.

Here are some articles:

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...ted-states/racial-disparities-in-health-care/

Scores of studies buttress NAM’s findings by documenting that providers are less likely to deliver effective treatments to people of color when compared to their white counterparts—even after controlling for characteristics like class, health behaviors, comorbidities, and access to health insurance and health care services. For example, one study of 400 hospitals in the United States showed that black patients with heart disease received older, cheaper, and more conservative treatments than their white counterparts. Black patients were less likely to receive coronary bypass operations and angiography. After surgery, they are discharged earlier from the hospital than white patients—at a stage when discharge is inappropriate. The same goes for other illnesses. Black women are less likely than white women to receive radiation therapy in conjunction with a mastectomy. In fact, they are less likely to receive mastectomies. Perhaps more disturbing is that black patients are more likely to receive less desirable treatments. The rates at which black patients have their limbs amputated is higher than those for white patients. Additionally, black patients suffering from bipolar disorder are more likely to be treated with antipsychotics despite evidence that these medications have long-term negative effects and are not effective.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...rs-white-patients-over-sicker-black-patients/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...gency-medical-responders-confront-racial-bias

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/03/ce-corner

[video]https://www.tiktok.com/@drjenniferlincoln/video/6835696093255322886?lang=en[/video]

 

[ruby sparks]

Ok I've seen the footage and read the articles now. It doesn't look as bad as I thought, and on the face of it it seems harsh he lost his job.

The question wasn't answered before he asked it. She was talking about risk of suffering or dying from covid. He was asking about catching it.

Yeah, that isn’t remotely accurate.

But it is. What she said about underlying health disparities leading to more severe outcomes for African Americans who catch covid19 is very plausibly correct. But he asked about catching it in the first place, which is a slightly different thing. Granted, he was likely wrong, but it seemed to me more like an honest, possibly stupid question.

In fact, African Americans not socially distancing themselves adequately might be a plausible factor, but not because they choose not to, but because they are less often able to, due to more of them having to work in less safe workplaces and/or take public transport to get there. Maybe also those workplaces don't have fantastic hand-cleansing facilities or special disinfecting measures. Maybe masks are expensive and so on.

Also, he did say 'African Americans' twice initially and 'coloured population' briefly once, afterwards.

I agree he was arguably clumsy and possibly should have known better, and as such deserving of some criticism, but I think getting fired is a little ott, especially as he apologised quickly.

 

[Toni]

Ok I've seen the footage and read the articles now. It doesn't look as bad as I thought, and on the face of it it seems harsh he lost his job.

The question wasn't answered before he asked it. She was talking about risk of suffering or dying from covid. He was asking about catching it.

Yeah, that isn’t remotely accurate.

But it is. What she said about underlying health disparities leading to more severe outcomes for African Americans who catch covid19 is very plausibly correct. But he asked about catching it in the first place, which is a slightly different thing. Granted, he was likely wrong, but it seemed to me more like an honest, possibly stupid question.

In fact, African Americans not socially distancing themselves adequately might be a plausible factor, but not because they choose not to, but because they are less often able to, due to more of them having to work in less safe workplaces and/or take public transport to get there.

Also, he did say 'African Americans' twice and 'coloured population' once, afterwards.

I agree he was arguably clumsy and possibly should have known better, and as such deserving of some criticism, but I think getting fired is a little ott, especially as he apologised quickly.

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It is NOT an 'honest' question. It's a racist suggestion. Please read the links from my post.

 

[ruby sparks]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It is NOT an 'honest' question. It's a racist suggestion. Please read the links from my post.

Sure, I know all that, but they don't say anything about the individual in question though. And as far as I am aware at this point, he has no track record of saying such things?

I think maybe his sacking was a bit of a snap judgement made during a time of high tension. I've even seen black people (in one case a doctor) earlier in the pandemic suggesting that there was a problematic myth doing the rounds in black communities that they were immune to covid19 and should not be so relaxed about precautions. Now, maybe that black doctor was wrong, that the myth wasn't causing blacks to be lax, but it amounts to a similar hypothetical.

Unless there's more evidence against him I say harsh to sack him. Criticism, yes.

 

[Toni]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It is NOT an 'honest' question. It's a racist suggestion. Please read the links from my post.

Sure, I know all that, but they don't say anything about the individual in question though. And as far as I am aware at this point, he has no track record of saying such things?

I think maybe it was a bit of a snap judgement made during a time of high tension. I've even seen black people (in one case a doctor) earlier in the pandemic suggesting that there was a problematic myth doing the rounds in black communities that they were immune to covid19 and should not be so relaxed about precautions. Now, maybe that black doctor was wrong, that the myth wasn't causing blacks to be lax, but it amounts to a similar hypothetical.

OMG; He JUST DID! Do you really think that this was a gaff? He’s a Senator! He’s accustomed to speaking to people!

Why on earth are you so willing to believe that he didn’t mean what he said?!!!!

 

[blastula]

Ok I've seen the footage and read the articles now. It doesn't look as bad as I thought, and on the face of it it seems harsh he lost his job.

The question wasn't answered before he asked it. She was talking about risk of suffering or dying from covid. He was asking about catching it.

Yeah, that isn’t remotely accurate.

But it is. What she said about underlying health disparities leading to more severe outcomes for African Americans who catch covid19 is very plausibly correct. But he asked about catching it in the first place, which is a slightly different thing. Granted, he was likely wrong, but it seemed to me more like an honest, possibly stupid question.

In fact, African Americans not socially distancing themselves adequately might be a plausible factor, but not because they choose not to, but because they are less often able to, due to more of them having to work in less safe workplaces and/or take public transport to get there. Maybe also those workplaces don't have fantastic hand-cleansing facilities or special disinfecting measures. Maybe masks are expensive and so on.

Also, he did say 'African Americans' twice initially and 'coloured population' briefly once, afterwards.

I agree he was arguably clumsy and possibly should have known better, and as such deserving of some criticism, but I think getting fired is a little ott, especially as he apologised quickly.

He did ask a different question, but it was kind of an ignorant one or one coming from some bias. If it wasn't coming from bias, he wouldn't be questioning their hygiene practices without context, he would be asking, as you suggested, whether minorities are catching it more because they are more likely to have frontline jobs rather than working from home or that they may live in more densely populated housing.

On the firing, I don't think it was necessary, but I can see why they would.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It is NOT an 'honest' question. It's a racist suggestion. Please read the links from my post.

Sure, I know all that, but they don't say anything about the individual in question though. And as far as I am aware at this point, he has no track record of saying such things?

I think maybe it was a bit of a snap judgement made during a time of high tension. I've even seen black people (in one case a doctor) earlier in the pandemic suggesting that there was a problematic myth doing the rounds in black communities that they were immune to covid19 and should not be so relaxed about precautions. Now, maybe that black doctor was wrong, that the myth wasn't causing blacks to be lax, but it amounts to a similar hypothetical.

OMG; He JUST DID! Do you really think that this was a gaff? He’s a Senator! He’s accustomed to speaking to people!

Why on earth are you so willing to believe that he didn’t mean what he said?!!!!

Yeah, a gaffe is a mistake when something comes out wrong. That didn’t happen here.

This seemed to ignore what the expert was saying about how African American populations suffer from a disparity in health care to ask whether the colored population doesn’t wash their hands. ‘But isn’t it just possible that these people are too primitive to operate a faucet?’

 

[Toni]

But it is. What she said about underlying health disparities leading to more severe outcomes for African Americans who catch covid19 is very plausibly correct. But he asked about catching it in the first place, which is a slightly different thing. Granted, he was likely wrong, but it seemed to me more like an honest, possibly stupid question.

In fact, African Americans not socially distancing themselves adequately might be a plausible factor, but not because they choose not to, but because they are less often able to, due to more of them having to work in less safe workplaces and/or take public transport to get there. Maybe also those workplaces don't have fantastic hand-cleansing facilities or special disinfecting measures. Maybe masks are expensive and so on.

Also, he did say 'African Americans' twice initially and 'coloured population' briefly once, afterwards.

I agree he was arguably clumsy and possibly should have known better, and as such deserving of some criticism, but I think getting fired is a little ott, especially as he apologised quickly.

He did ask a different question, but it was kind of an ignorant one or one coming from some bias. If it wasn't coming from bias, he wouldn't be questioning their hygiene practices without context, he would be asking, as you suggested, whether minorities are catching it more because they are more likely to have frontline jobs rather than working from home or that they may live in more densely populated housing.

On the firing, I don't think it was necessary, but I can see why they would.

Racial bias is responsible for serious disparities in diagnosis, treatment and outcomes for black people! He should not be near patients if he harbors racism to the extent that he doesn’t believe that black people are as clean as white people!

WHY are you so willing to believe anything except that he made an extremely racist statement??

 

[thebeave]

This talk about blacks not being clean brings to mind Biden's comment about Barack Obama back before he was president. He went out of his way to remark that Obama was "clean" (as well as "articulate". I remember thinking at the time, WTF?! Is black people not being "clean" a thing? Maybe it is a stereotype I never knew about.

 

[TSwizzle]

It’s as clear as day, he has sinned and repentance is not enough. He must be burned at the stake.

 

[Toni]

It’s as clear as day, he has sinned and repentance is not enough. He must be burned at the stake.

I must have missed the repentance.....

 

[laughing dog]

It’s as clear as day, he has sinned and repentance is not enough. He must be burned at the stake.

I must have missed the repentance.....

He did apologize. Of course, he has not been burned at any stake. He is an ER physician, so he will find a spot somewhere.

 

[Derec]

link (paywall, but it is the Post, so subscribe will ya?!)

Jeff Bezos doesn't need any more of my money. He got enough through my pandemic purchases.

It really is a bit of an insult to suggest they aren't doing their part. Is that why African Americans....

I do not think it is wrong to ask whether behavioral differences might account for at least a part of the observed

I'm sorry "the colored population" dies from cancer more as well?

Why is "colored people" considered unacceptable but "people of color" is the preferred term du jour?
Also, do you think they should rename NAACP to NAAPC or even better, NAAAA, to be stylized NA⁴?

And in the link, the person testifying is already talking about the disparity when it comes to death of diseases. So she has effectively answered the question the guy is asking after she answered it.

Huh?

 

[Treedbear]

This talk about blacks not being clean brings to mind Biden's comment about Barack Obama back before he was president. He went out of his way to remark that Obama was "clean" (as well as "articulate". I remember thinking at the time, WTF?! Is black people not being "clean" a thing? Maybe it is a stereotype I never knew about.

Inanely callous and insensitive remarks from the annals of history:

• "Cops Shoot Black People 'Less Than We Probably Ought to Be'"
• "Could it just be that African Americans or the colored population do not wash their hands as well as other groups?"
• "Black lives don't matter. All lives matter."
• "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean …"
• "Let them eat cake."