Ohio State Senator - "The colored population" not washing their hands?

[laughing dog]

There is little evidence of it in these thread.

We have already established you suck at reading comprehension, so ...

"We"? Get a grip.

You don't have to like a fact to understand it. Using "the coloreds" or "the colored people" or "the colored population" to describe black people has been recognized as racist for over 50 years. Which means it was recognized as such before the term "PC" was even concocted. Not being a racist or not using racist terminology is not "PC" but basic human decency. In the olden days, it was called "manners".

Why anyone would have a problem with basic human decency is truly disturbing.

 

[Derec]

Why anyone would have a problem with basic human decency is truly disturbing.

You are dodging the question. Why is "colored people" racist, but "people of color" is currently preferred politically correct term when both phrases mean the same thing?

 

[Toni]

No! This is not some non-pc remark but a speculation that betrays his belief that non-white people are just not as clean as white people! It goes hand in hand with not prescribing certain treatments if he thinks a patient won’t be able to follow the directions because they are black. Or aren’t really in pain because they are black. Or should have that toe amputated because black people can’t keep the wound clean!

Do you have any evidence he did any of this or are you engaging in the same prejudicial stereotyping you are accusing him of?

The quote from the OP:

We know it’s twice as often, correct? Could it just be that African Americans – the colored population — do not wash their hands as well as other groups? Or wear a mask? Or do not socially distance themselves? Could that just be maybe the explanation of why there’s a higher incidence?

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That's a pretty racist statement.

It is a fact that black people are harder hit by COVID. Unfortunately, it is not ideologically acceptable to offer any potential explanation for it other than "racism by white people", which is the PC explanation for everything.

Oh, bullshit. We've discussed some possible factors on this board: many black people are working in service type professions which put them in close contact with the general public--meaning that they, on average, have a lot of exposure to potential carriers. Bonus: These jobs often have poor to zero benefits meaning that it is difficult for someone to miss even one shift at work. They are less likely to be able to afford to shelter in place or work from home.

There are potentially biological reasons as well: It is possible that some people with African heritage are genetically more susceptible to the virus. There is also the fact that comorbidities that make COVID 19 much more serious are found extensively in the black community--and, I might add, in all poor peoples in the US: obesity, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease. Diabetes alone also impairs the immune system to a certain extent.

It’s not like he is a janitor or auto mechanic. He makes decisions —real life and fear decisions! Based on his racist views of patients!!!!

There is no evidence that he has any racist views. And I doubt very much a black physician who is a member of Nation of Islam would be fired even though he literally believes white people are subhuman.
There is a huge double standard in our country.

There is indeed a huge double standard --or rather, multilayered standard in our country--but not in the way that you seem to think.

 

[ruby sparks]

This seemed to ignore what the expert was saying about how African American populations suffer from a disparity in health care to ask whether the colored population doesn’t wash their hands. ‘But isn’t it just possible that these people are too primitive to operate a faucet?’

I agree that that is one very plausible way of explaining it, yes. Possibly. But bear in mind what I said about warnings to black people not to be lax about taking enough extra precautions (we are not talking about operating faucets etc under normal circumstances) because of a myth going around that they were immune. That did not imply that black people were lax because they were primitive, but it might have implied they were either gullible or misinformed. Couldn't it possibly be a bit of a double-standard if it's ok for a black doctor, and I think a black mayor, to raise the possibility of laxity, without there being a backlash?

Also, I'm not entirely sure why we should necessarily assume his words were deliberate and calculated. He got pilloried and sacked, so he's arguably not gaffe-proof.

What he said does not look good, and would be concerning, but perhaps I was simply expecting something worse after reading about it, and then the video didn't seem quite as clear cut, or so bad that the sacking seemed proportionate to me, based as it was on one brief utterance (and as far as I am aware nothing further about him has come out so far, vis-a-vis potential racism). That said, like you I can see why his employers felt they needed to do it.

 

[ruby sparks]

This talk about blacks not being clean brings to mind Biden's comment about Barack Obama back before he was president. He went out of his way to remark that Obama was "clean" (as well as "articulate". I remember thinking at the time, WTF?! Is black people not being "clean" a thing? Maybe it is a stereotype I never knew about.

The belief that certain groups, usually minorities or the disadvantaged but not always, but usually not the members of the hegemony, are not clean is, I think, a quite common slur. We had it here in NI, where it was said about Catholics. And of course don't forget some of the things the Nazis said about the Jews. I would not be surprised if some Israeli Jews of today might say it about Palestinians.

 

[ruby sparks]

Maybe I am being a bit too soft on the senator. The truth is, I'm not necessarily a general fan of making people more or less automatically fall on their swords over any issue unless there's clear evidence of something serious, or evidence of a pattern (for that individual). I am not sure if calling for the resignation or sacking of every person, on no matter what 'side', on the basis of something as apparently isolated (and apologised for straight away) as this, is overall helpful. People who throw stones often live in glass houses. And I think we should all aim to be consistent, lest we find ourselves being criticised for not calling for the sacking of someone on 'our side', because we give them more leeway, or 'read their minds' more sympathetically. Criticism and censure, yes. Heads on spikes in each case? I'm not sure.

 

[J842P]

There's nothing overtly racist about saying "colored people". It is at worst old-fashioned, and not very long ago, it was the polite way of saying "not white". Unless you are going to claim that the NAACP is overtly racist?

It is certainly no more overtly racist than "people of color". Both are similarly stupid. Since all people have color.

Sorry, you are wrong: "the colored", "the colored people" and "the colored population" are racist.

No, they aren't. I understand you are a white midwesterner, who is very likely steeped in prejudicial thinking and racism, and thus, you like to pillory other people for using outdated terms as a means of hiding. I get that.

But none of those are racist.

 

[laughing dog]

Why anyone would have a problem with basic human decency is truly disturbing.

You are dodging the question. Why is "colored people" racist, but "people of color" is currently preferred politically correct term when both phrases mean the same thing?

I have answered the question. "Colored people" is not necessarily racist, but "the colored people " is.

 

[laughing dog]

There's nothing overtly racist about saying "colored people". It is at worst old-fashioned, and not very long ago, it was the polite way of saying "not white". Unless you are going to claim that the NAACP is overtly racist?

It is certainly no more overtly racist than "people of color". Both are similarly stupid. Since all people have color.

Sorry, you are wrong: "the colored", "the colored people" and "the colored population" are racist.

No, they aren't. I understand you are a white midwesterner, who is very likely steeped in prejudicial thinking and racism, and thus, you like to pillory other people for using outdated terms as a means of hiding. I get that.

I am sorry but you don't have clue what you are talking about.

But none of those are racist.

You are wrong, and have been wrong for over 50 years. It is not just my understanding, but the understanding of many many people.

 

[J842P]

No, they aren't. I understand you are a white midwesterner, who is very likely steeped in prejudicial thinking and racism, and thus, you like to pillory other people for using outdated terms as a means of hiding. I get that.

I am sorry but you don't have clue what you are talking about.

But none of those are racist.

You are wrong, and have been wrong for over 50 years. It is not just my understanding, but the understanding of many many people.

No, believe me, I do have a clue. I've had to navigate a world filled with white people like you my entire life. I know it when I see it. It's quite transparent, actually.

 

[laughing dog]

I am sorry but you don't have clue what you are talking about.
You are wrong, and have been wrong for over 50 years. It is not just my understanding, but the understanding of many many people.

No, believe me, I do have a clue. I've had to navigate a world filled with white people like you my entire life. I know it when I see it. It's quite transparent, actually.

No, you really do not. You have no clue where I have lived or how I was brought up or what I have witnessed or what I have experienced. Yet you use my ethnicity (or, if you like, my race) to draw a derogatory conclusion about me. Some people on this board would misuse the term "racist" to describe your conclusion, but I do not.

 

[ruby sparks]

"Coloured people" is not necessarily racist, but "the colored people" is.

If that’s the case, it does seem kind of odd.

 

[laughing dog]

"Coloured people" is not necessarily racist, but "the colored people" is.

If that’s the case, it does seem kind of odd.

Not to anyone who has lived in the USA over the past 50+ years. The injection of "the" is used to evoke a sense of otherness and difference - "those people". It is the same when someone refers to "the Jews". While I was growing up, "the coloreds" and "the colored people" were the polite terms of choice for bigots and racists to refer to blacks. And, that was well recognized in the East coast and Midwest. I have no idea what the Western US was like.

The state senator in question is from that generation. Notice also that he used it to refer to blacks even though "colored people" includes a much more inclusive.

 

[ruby sparks]

"Coloured people" is not necessarily racist, but "the colored people" is.

If that’s the case, it does seem kind of odd.

Not to anyone who has lived in the USA over the past 50+ years. The injection of "the" is used to evoke a sense of otherness and difference - "those people". It is the same when someone refers to "the Jews". While I was growing up, "the coloreds" and "the colored people" were the polite terms of choice for bigots and racists. And, that was well recognized in the East coast and Midwest. I have no idea what the Western US was like.

The way he said it (‘African Americans, the coloured population’), unlike with the word ‘people’, it would be awkward to say the second part without a ‘the’.

 

[J842P]

I am sorry but you don't have clue what you are talking about.
You are wrong, and have been wrong for over 50 years. It is not just my understanding, but the understanding of many many people.

No, believe me, I do have a clue. I've had to navigate a world filled with white people like you my entire life. I know it when I see it. It's quite transparent, actually.

No, you really do not. You have no clue where I have lived or how I was brought up or what I have witnessed or what I have experienced. Yet you use my ethnicity (or, if you like, my race) to draw a derogatory conclusion about me. Some people on this board would misuse the term "racist" to describe your conclusion, but I do not.

I don't need to know. I have almost decades your statements and that is enough to draw the conclusion. As I said, it's very transparent. I've paid close attention to your use of definite articles.

 

[laughing dog]

Not to anyone who has lived in the USA over the past 50+ years. The injection of "the" is used to evoke a sense of otherness and difference - "those people". It is the same when someone refers to "the Jews". While I was growing up, "the coloreds" and "the colored people" were the polite terms of choice for bigots and racists. And, that was well recognized in the East coast and Midwest. I have no idea what the Western US was like.

The way he said it (‘African Americans, the coloured population’), unlike with the word ‘people’, it would be awkward to say the second part without a ‘the’.

You are missing the point - there was no need to say it all.

BTW, some people have brought up the  NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) as an example. The term "colored people" was intentional since, at the time of its founding in 1909, they also fought for civil rights for Native Americans. The term did not exclusively mean blacks.

 

[laughing dog]

No, you really do not. You have no clue where I have lived or how I was brought up or what I have witnessed or what I have experienced. Yet you use my ethnicity (or, if you like, my race) to draw a derogatory conclusion about me. Some people on this board would misuse the term "racist" to describe your conclusion, but I do not.

I don't need to know.

Obviously, you don't need to know anything. That is clear.

I have almost decades your statements and that is enough to draw the conclusion. As I said, it's very transparent. I've paid close attention to your use of definite articles.

Pure handwaving from a self-admitted "racist".

 

[J842P]

Obviously, you don't need to know anything. That is clear.

I have almost decades your statements and that is enough to draw the conclusion. As I said, it's very transparent. I've paid close attention to your use of definite articles.

Pure handwaving from a self-admitted "racist".

No, you've been overtly racist. Not hidden. No mind reading or background needed. It's obvious. Anyone who's been alive in the last 50 years would know!

 

[laughing dog]

Obviously, you don't need to know anything. That is clear.

I have almost decades your statements and that is enough to draw the conclusion. As I said, it's very transparent. I've paid close attention to your use of definite articles.

Pure handwaving from a self-admitted "racist".

No, you've been overtly racist. Not hidden. No mind reading or background needed. It's obvious. Anyone who's been alive in the last 50 years would know!

Clearly not, since I have been alive in the last 50 years and I don't know. Perhaps, you meant "anyone but you"? Maybe your argument will improve after you pull your head out of your ass.

 

[J842P]

No, you've been overtly racist. Not hidden. No mind reading or background needed. It's obvious. Anyone who's been alive in the last 50 years would know!

Clearly not, since I have been alive in the last 50 years and I don't know. Perhaps, you meant "anyone but you"? Maybe your argument will improve after you pull your head out of your ass.

Of course you wouldn't know, you're racist. You can tell because you called me racist. But it is literally impossible for me to be racist. I am not white. The evidence is mounting, LD. And it does not look good. Now you're complaining about racist people of color, what next? Are you going to tell me about your black friends?