Parents lie to their children, demand apology from truth-teller

[Jimmy Higgins]

One minor problem here, the parents don't think god is a myth.

But they think Allah is a myth. If their kid told Muslim kids that there's no Allah, would they pay damages for the trauma?

Many think evolution is a myth, and some of them think it's a religion. Do they caution their children not to ruin the dreams of the deluded schoolchildren? Would they pay damages and settle out of court of kids losing faith in science?

They don't think evolution is a myth. They think is a "lie!!!".

Regardless, we are starting to use the wrong pronouns here. Way too broad a group being discussed regarding Santa verses Evilution Deniers/Tom's whore wife.

 

[Keith&Co.]

They don't think evolution is a myth. They think is a "lie!!!".

Depends on who you talk to. Posters on this site have referred to the myth of evolution from time to time.
That's why I said 'many' not 'they.'

Regardless, we are starting to use the wrong pronouns here. Way too broad a group being discussed regarding Santa verses Evilution Deniers/Tom's whore wife.

'We?' I used qualifiers, you sweeping generalist, you.
I did not suggest that there is perfect overlap between Claus supporters and Evolution Denyists, merely intended to draw attention to the fact that many (nowhere near all of any grouping) people train their kids up on purpose to go out and shatter what they consider the delusions others labor under. Thus, the implication that the myth of Santa is somehow pure, special or in greater need of protection than The Faith or some scientific conclusion would be, in the case of these specific people, somewhat of a hypocrisy.

 

[Malintent]

Everybody still gets presents from Santa at my house at Christmas.

Also, the dog has a pretty good knack for knowing just what little something or other people could really use.

So, I don't know about who's the truth teller in all of this.

I suspect the dog; mine are quite capable of telling me that they haven't yet had their breakfast, even when I watched them eating it.

when my wife beats me home and then has to run out again before I get home, she texts me, "I fed the animals...don't believe their lies".

 

[Axulus]

Children are vulnerable and will believe the things they are told by people they trust.

The only difference between the myths is that most adults understand that Santa Claus is a myth.

But the problem begins in childhood where myths are portrayed as truth by figures in authority.

I hear what you're saying. I remember when my son was younger, my wife would put her hands over her eyes and pretend she couldn't see him. Fuck that bitch for making my son think his mother was blind. I can't believe I married such a whore.

Pretend? She has X-ray vision? Cool!

 

[laughing dog]

Assuming the story is accurate, I find it hard to believe that any court would find a 6 year old "negligent" for speaking a fact.

 

[Keith&Co.]

True.
It IS legal to shout 'fire' in a crowded theater if the theater really is on fire.

 

[Shadowy Man]

If your child's belief in Santa can be shattered by a first-grader, then you haven't done a good enough job indoctrinating him or her. Blame your own bad parenting, not some six year old spoiler.

 

[fast]

Y'all's be acting like Santa ain't real. You's some sick puppy's.

 

[Valjean]

What kind of moral modeling are lying parents presenting? How can you teach your children values like honesty and truthfulness by lying to them? How does that not causing psychological harm when children discover their parents are liars and hypocrites? How will that affect their relationship? How will the children ever be able to respect or trust their parents again?

It's not the enlightened toddler who's doing the damage, it's his schoolmates' parents who've laid the foundations for the cognitive dissonance, distrust and disgust their children must needs feel (provided they're bright enough to recognise the contradiction) when the truth eventually surfaces.

Perhaps if more parents were sued by their children for child abuse fewer parents would lie.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wow, some of these arguments here are almost as ridiculous as the subjects of the OP.

 

[Toni]

Y'all's be acting like Santa ain't real. You's some sick puppy's.

Truth!

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I'd be happy to arrange a fully interactive Satan experience for those poor kids.

 

[RavenSky]

As a parent, I embraced the Santa fantasy with my kids. Not as a means to 'keep them in line' (that elf on the shelf thing is kinda creepy), but just for the momentary joy and innocence of it. They didn't believe for long (the logic just didn't add up) but they never seemed traumatized by the realization. It was kind of like, I believed in unicorns, but then I grew up. Oddly, they stopped believing in Santa at around the same time they questioned the existence of God (which they also heard from other children, the media, etc). They thought that was just as implausible. It seems the harm comes when parents (or society) try to convince children that their logic and reasoning is skewed or wrong, making them doubt their own reasoning skills. That is the crime, I think.

^^^
That

 

[untermensche]

Children are vulnerable and will believe the things they are told by people they trust.

The only difference between the myths is that most adults understand that Santa Claus is a myth.

But the problem begins in childhood where myths are portrayed as truth by figures in authority.

I hear what you're saying. I remember when my son was younger, my wife would put her hands over her eyes and pretend she couldn't see him. Fuck that bitch for making my son think his mother was blind. I can't believe I married such a whore.

What fun. Lying to children.

They don't know any better.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What fun. Lying to children.

They don't know any better.

But they learn quickly.

My kids are all the time saying, "That's not how you told the story last time."
Or "I looked it up, you're wrong."
Or "Mommy says if we believe everything you say about the submarine, we deserve the grades we're going to get in any psychology class we ever take."

 

[untermensche]

What fun. Lying to children.

They don't know any better.

But they learn quickly.

My kids are all the time saying, "That's not how you told the story last time."
Or "I looked it up, you're wrong."
Or "Mommy says if we believe everything you say about the submarine, we deserve the grades we're going to get in any psychology class we ever take."

It really depends on how elaborate the lie is.

My opinion is that "parenting" is giving a vulnerable child methods to deal with a world where people lie.

I don't see where Santa Claus fits into this.

 

[Malintent]

Children do not learn to lie from their parents... not directly. They learn to lie through successful attempts at lying to their parents.. which apparently comes naturally to children from 2 years of age.. .and the skill develops very quickly to age 10, by which time they are about as good as adults at it... their issue is they lack experience with what knowledge is already known by others.. so their lies are more transparent than they realize... but the skill is established very early on.

 

[TSwizzle]

As a parent, I embraced the Santa fantasy with my kids. Not as a means to 'keep them in line' (that elf on the shelf thing is kinda creepy), but just for the momentary joy and innocence of it.

And it's a bit of harmless fun. The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny and were also popular in my house.

They didn't believe for long {snip}

I suspect they are onto us a bit sooner than they let on but keep up the pretense to keep the gifts coming. And I thank them for indulging me.