Philidelphia Muslim Kids Sing Hate Songs

[Politesse]

Update: Muslim American Society chapter's video of children speaking about beheadings was an 'oversight'

I admit I had wondered about the translation and how accurate it was, considering the source, but it sounds like the MAS is not contesting the content of the video, only trying to evade blame for it. While it is true that these views do not represent mainstream Muslim perspectives, letting a radical hate group rent your facility, and use your name in uploading videos to the world, is one hell of an "oversight" to make in politically tense times. Every right wing religious lobby will have heard of this by the end of the week, and they will have no trouble using it to achieve their own dubious and violent political agendas.

While I've seen a lot of allegations of bad translations from Memri I have yet to see a decent rebuttal to any of their translations. If they're wrong show exactly how and what it should have said--something I have yet to find.

And this sort of thing is an example of what we are talking about with radical Islam. On the surface they pretend to be peaceful but then we keep seeing Memri expose this sort of thing.

Since this post indicates you cannot even read English, Arabic might be too airy a target.

 

[Derec]

I find it amazing that discussions about Islam on here so often degenerate to "but Christianity" or "but white supremacy". Can we stay on topic?

About the Muslim American Society, I found this.

Rep. Ilhan Omar Supports Group That Produced Child Beheading Skit

In fact, Omar’s support for MAS goes back years. Her deep ties to the group were on display when she had the MAS-Minnesota chapter Oresident Asad Zaman stand with her as she was ceremonially sworn into the Minnesota House of Representatives in January 2017 with her hand on an enormous Quran. MAS held a reception in honor of her inauguration.
Just a few months later, Omar spoke at the 2017 MAS “Muslim Day” at the state capitol, acknowledging that she had previously participated in the group’s annual event before. Omar was subsequently elected to Congress in November 2018, succeeding former representative and now Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, who had his own ties to MAS.
In fact, Ellison was the subject of a House Ethics investigation after MAS-Minnesota paid for his 16-day trip to Mecca in 2008. At first, Ellison had attempted to conceal the sponsors of the trip, and a senior MAS official had initially denied the group’s involvement.
The MAS-Minnesota chapter both Omar and Ellison have supported has a long history of controversy. The group gained national attention in 2007 when they issued a fatwa authorizing Muslim taxi cab drivers at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to deny service to non-Muslim passengers with seeing-eye dogs or who were carrying alcohol.
As I reported in May 2009, the MAS-Minnesota’s Vice President Hassan Mohamud had published a YouTube fundraising video decrying the “hell of living in America,” and had defended Palestinian suicide attacks. When questioned by the local Minneapolis Fox News affiliate about his remarks, Mohamud claimed that he didn’t mean anything anti-American by describing the United States as “hell.” When asked about his statements in support of suicide bombings, he had to stop the interview on three separate occasions and consult with his attorney.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And this sort of thing is an example of what we are talking about with radical Islam. On the surface they pretend to be peaceful but then we keep seeing Memri expose this sort of thing.

Radical Islam typically is up front with being radical. They blow shit and stuff.

 

[Angry Floof]

I find it amazing that discussions about Islam on here so often degenerate to "but Christianity" or "but white supremacy". Can we stay on topic?

About the Muslim American Society, I found this.

Rep. Ilhan Omar Supports Group That Produced Child Beheading Skit

In fact, Omar’s support for MAS goes back years. Her deep ties to the group were on display when she had the MAS-Minnesota chapter Oresident Asad Zaman stand with her as she was ceremonially sworn into the Minnesota House of Representatives in January 2017 with her hand on an enormous Quran. MAS held a reception in honor of her inauguration.
Just a few months later, Omar spoke at the 2017 MAS “Muslim Day” at the state capitol, acknowledging that she had previously participated in the group’s annual event before. Omar was subsequently elected to Congress in November 2018, succeeding former representative and now Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, who had his own ties to MAS.
In fact, Ellison was the subject of a House Ethics investigation after MAS-Minnesota paid for his 16-day trip to Mecca in 2008. At first, Ellison had attempted to conceal the sponsors of the trip, and a senior MAS official had initially denied the group’s involvement.
The MAS-Minnesota chapter both Omar and Ellison have supported has a long history of controversy. The group gained national attention in 2007 when they issued a fatwa authorizing Muslim taxi cab drivers at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to deny service to non-Muslim passengers with seeing-eye dogs or who were carrying alcohol.
As I reported in May 2009, the MAS-Minnesota’s Vice President Hassan Mohamud had published a YouTube fundraising video decrying the “hell of living in America,” and had defended Palestinian suicide attacks. When questioned by the local Minneapolis Fox News affiliate about his remarks, Mohamud claimed that he didn’t mean anything anti-American by describing the United States as “hell.” When asked about his statements in support of suicide bombings, he had to stop the interview on three separate occasions and consult with his attorney.

We're also talking about the U.S.. You can't talk about singing a hateful song without triggering the giant wave of white supremacist anti-Muslim hatred machine. They are a very real threat here in the U.S. Muslims living in the U.S. and a fraction of them singing a hateful song doesn't even compare. In the U.S., this "news" serves more as fodder for fear and hate mongering than it does informing. You have to be right wing authoritarian white supremacist level of stupid to pretend this is relevant news.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And this sort of thing is an example of what we are talking about with radical Islam. On the surface they pretend to be peaceful but then we keep seeing Memri expose this sort of thing.

Radical Islam typically is up front with being radical. They blow shit and stuff.

Radical Islam is up front about it in it's own lands. They hide it in lands where they don't have the power.

 

[Angry Floof]

And this sort of thing is an example of what we are talking about with radical Islam. On the surface they pretend to be peaceful but then we keep seeing Memri expose this sort of thing.

Radical Islam typically is up front with being radical. They blow shit and stuff.

Radical Islam is up front about it in it's own lands. They hide it in lands where they don't have the power.

In other words, Christianity and Islam are the same dog barking at itself in a mirror. When a majority, they are irrational, conscienceless zealots. Both need a wider, secular democracy to keep them in check, which, as we see in the U.S. right now, is not guaranteed to keep theocracy from jumping the barricades.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And this sort of thing is an example of what we are talking about with radical Islam. On the surface they pretend to be peaceful but then we keep seeing Memri expose this sort of thing.

Radical Islam typically is up front with being radical. They blow shit and stuff.

Radical Islam is up front about it in it's own lands. They hide it in lands where they don't have the power.

Wow, that is impressively great for your argument. So you can argue that Muslims are all radical, but you can’t prove it because they hide it so well.

 

[Jarhyn]

I remember some of the hymns we sang in (Lutheran) church when I was a kid turned out to be pretty gruesome.

"March on Christian soldiers, marching as to war! With the Cross of Jeeeesus marching on before!"

"He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored, He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on."

Oh wow. I was JUST in the process of digging this up. As if this isnt sung still in literally every Evangelical church out there to this very day.

The white supremecists ARE doing exactly this... And you never hear the end of it because nobody ever even BEGINS talking about it.

Edit: and lets not forget that far right/fascist/nationalist groups are the #1 threat to security and peace in the US.

 

[Elixir]

Christianity and Islam are the same dog barking at itself in a mirror.

Metaphor of the week! That is EXACTLY it.
Floof wins the internet.

 

[Politesse]

I remember some of the hymns we sang in (Lutheran) church when I was a kid turned out to be pretty gruesome.

"March on Christian soldiers, marching as to war! With the Cross of Jeeeesus marching on before!"

"He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored, He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on."

Oh wow. I was JUST in the process of digging this up. As if this isnt sung still in literally every Evangelical church out there to this very day.

The white supremecists ARE doing exactly this... And you never hear the end of it because nobody ever even BEGINS talking about it.

Edit: and lets not forget that far right/fascist/nationalist groups are the #1 threat to security and peace in the US.

Indeed. Even in the South, and you'd think they wouldn't be keen on the Battle Hymn in particular after Sherman marched to the sea on it.

We sang it even at my (temperamentally humble, socially reserved, politically liberal) childhood church. We were not normally keen on the martial going-to-war-for-Jesus stuff, so I have no idea what the adults were thinking.

I don't think either church or mosque should be let off the hook for things like this. It is everyone's job to encourage civil conduct towards neighbors, doubly so religious communities, because even a cursory review of history shows what horrors are unleashed when religion justification is allowed to attach itself to violent intent. And any Christian or Muslim who ignores this responsibility is a hypocrite on top of being a danger to themselves and others.

"There is to be no compulsion in matters of faith".

"Blessed are the peacemakers, who shall inherit the earth".

But of course, no prophet is respected in his home town.

 

[Derec]

Blessed are the peacemakers?

 

[jab]

What hymns were they singing? Not these warring battle tunes, god forbid:

Battle Hymn of the Republic ("Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord... He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword")
Onward Christian Soldiers ("Onward, Christian soldiers Marching to the war... With the cross of Jesus going on before")
There Is a Fountain Filled with Blood ("There is a fountain filled with blood drawn from Immanuel's veins... and sinners plunged beneath that flood lose all their guilty stains")
There Is Power in the Blood ("There is power, power, wonder-working power in the blood of the Lamb")
I see a crimson stream of blood ("It flows from Calvary. Its waves which reach the throne of God are sweeping over me")
Come Sinners to the Gospel Feast ("Come, and partake the gospel feast. Be saved from sin; in Jesus rest. O taste the goodness of your God and eat his flesh, and drink his blood!")
Blest Is the Man Whose Bowels Move ("He, in the time of general grief shall find the Lord has bowels, too")
Ah, Lovely Appearance of Death ("Ah, lovely appearance of death! No sight upon earth is so fair. Not all the gay pageants that breathe can with a dead body compare.")

I always liked the French national anthem, 'La Marseillaise' , with its bloody, gory lyrics

Yeah, especially the "Bombs bursting in air" line. Oh, wait. . . .
And "Battle Hymn of the Republic , quoted by a couple of posters on this thread, is about the Union side in the American Civil War.

 

[steve_bank]

Call me old fashioned or whatever. All this rationalization and a false equivalence is nonsense.

The idea of kids singing scripted terrorist words is abysmal. In this country it is plain wrong, and dare I say un-American. Whatever our shortcomings and history this kind of behavior is a canary in the mine warning.

Look at the Muslim from Minnesota's comments on Israel and Jews. Not just political criticism but an underlying racial bias.

We are starting to look like what we always thought made us different from most of the world. We are becoming a religious and ethnic fractured country plagued by identity politics and continuous conflict and upheaval. The common belief in the USA is failing.

The Saudi funded schools are known to be teaching extreme anti we tern Wahabianism.

 

[Angry Floof]

Call me old fashioned or whatever. All this rationalization and a false equivalence is nonsense.

The idea of kids singing scripted terrorist words is abysmal. In this country it is plain wrong, and dare I say un-American. Whatever our shortcomings and history this kind of behavior is a canary in the mine warning.

Look at the Muslim from Minnesota's comments on Israel and Jews. Not just political criticism but an underlying racial bias.

We are starting to look like what we always thought made us different from most of the world. We are becoming a religious and ethnic fractured country plagued by identity politics and continuous conflict and upheaval. The common belief in the USA is failing.

The Saudi funded schools are known to be teaching extreme anti we tern Wahabianism.

Kids singing hate songs is atrocious. But the question you asked was why is no one talking about this? Really the question should be why do right wingers insist on talking about something that is not a threat to the U.S. and was already denounced by the organization as some here have said they should? Why do so many people downplay the actual threat and widespread problem of white supremacist hatred?

Muslim Americans are overwhelmingly law abiding and respectful of U.S. institutions and values, as is the case with any demographic of immigrants you want to name. Do you need us to again go over the real problems and violent crimes of white supremacists?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Radical Islam is up front about it in it's own lands. They hide it in lands where they don't have the power.

In other words, Christianity and Islam are the same dog barking at itself in a mirror. When a majority, they are irrational, conscienceless zealots. Both need a wider, secular democracy to keep them in check, which, as we see in the U.S. right now, is not guaranteed to keep theocracy from jumping the barricades.

Religious fundies of any stripe are bad.

However, look at the world--most terrorism is coming from the Islamist flavor. The Christian type is generally harassment rather than lethal.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Call me old fashioned or whatever. All this rationalization and a false equivalence is nonsense.

The idea of kids singing scripted terrorist words is abysmal. In this country it is plain wrong, and dare I say un-American. Whatever our shortcomings and history this kind of behavior is a canary in the mine warning.

Look at the Muslim from Minnesota's comments on Israel and Jews. Not just political criticism but an underlying racial bias.

We are starting to look like what we always thought made us different from most of the world. We are becoming a religious and ethnic fractured country plagued by identity politics and continuous conflict and upheaval. The common belief in the USA is failing.

The Saudi funded schools are known to be teaching extreme anti we tern Wahabianism.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say it's because we're not a bunch of chickenshits who are afraid of kids singing songs?

Also, most of us here are smart enough to realize the much more dangerous threat comes from white nationalists. Do you need someone to change your nappies for you?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Islam is a problem blown out of proportion yes, but it is a problem. White nationalism is also a problem, and one also blown out of proportion. Pointing at one doesn't magically undo the other. There isn't much point in distracting from one with whataboutism of the other.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Call me old fashioned or whatever. All this rationalization and a false equivalence is nonsense.

The idea of kids singing scripted terrorist words is abysmal. In this country it is plain wrong, and dare I say un-American. Whatever our shortcomings and history this kind of behavior is a canary in the mine warning.

Look at the Muslim from Minnesota's comments on Israel and Jews. Not just political criticism but an underlying racial bias.

We are starting to look like what we always thought made us different from most of the world. We are becoming a religious and ethnic fractured country plagued by identity politics and continuous conflict and upheaval. The common belief in the USA is failing.

The Saudi funded schools are known to be teaching extreme anti we tern Wahabianism.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say it's because we're not a bunch of chickenshits who are afraid of kids singing songs?

Also, most of us here are smart enough to realize the much more dangerous threat comes from white nationalists. Do you need someone to change your nappies for you?

Both are dangerous. Currently white nationalism is more dangerous in the US but Islam is more dangerous in the rest of the world.

 

[Jarhyn]

Call me old fashioned or whatever. All this rationalization and a false equivalence is nonsense.

The idea of kids singing scripted terrorist words is abysmal. In this country it is plain wrong, and dare I say un-American. Whatever our shortcomings and history this kind of behavior is a canary in the mine warning.

Look at the Muslim from Minnesota's comments on Israel and Jews. Not just political criticism but an underlying racial bias.

We are starting to look like what we always thought made us different from most of the world. We are becoming a religious and ethnic fractured country plagued by identity politics and continuous conflict and upheaval. The common belief in the USA is failing.

The Saudi funded schools are known to be teaching extreme anti we tern Wahabianism.

Yet you completely ignore the fact that all over the US, we have thousands of conservative christian private schools teaching hate for everyone who isnt Christian, amd empowering the SA message through the xenophobia of the Religious Right.