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Philosophy Of Science

Theories, laws, and models are textual and depends on the area.

Ohm's Law is the fundamental equation in electrical engineering.

V = I*R voltage across a resistor equals current tie resistance. It is a macro scale function, dioes not work at quantum scale. But it is called a law.

Laws Of Thermodynamics

There are the theories of electromagnets.

There are cosmological models and theories.

Which goes to my point, science works regardless of how you describe it. Numbers in and numbers out.

When working on a problem I could say I have a theory as to a cause or say I have a model of the problem.

All that being said I can see the point o saying a model is constructed of theories.


The Ebers-Moll equations for a transistor.

 
The difference between a theory and a model is that a theory is an hypothesis that has been rigourously tested, and despite that testing, not (yet) shown to be false; Whereas a model is a tall skinny woman being photographed (usually) wearing stupid clothes.

I hope that helps.
 
Two of y favorite quotes.

'In god We trust All Else Bring Data'. I first saw it on a sign outside someone's office.\\


”In God we trust. All others must bring data.” This quote, made by W. Edwards Deming, refers mainly to the importance of data measurement and analysis when doing business. In IT, like in business, data analysis is equally important. Thus, for the last decade, we have been talking about Data Warehouses, Big Data, Data Lakes and lately Data Science. Data Science has become an IT discipline by itself and one of the hottest things you can become these days is a Data Scientist.

Deming was a major figure in the development of quality control methods and statiscal process control

The other from Kelvin.

Lord Kelvin's (William Thomson) famous statement emphasizes the importance of quantification in understanding. The quote is: "When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it. When you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind". This idea highlights that a deeper, more reliable understanding of a subject comes from the ability to quantify and express it numerically.
The dividing line between physical science and philosophy or religion is quantification with numbers.

Physical science is based on Systems International. A set of unambiguous numerical definitions. Not sublet to any interpretation.

Hard sciences like physics and chemistry study the natural world with predictable outcomes and rigorous quantitative methods, while soft sciences like sociology and psychology focus on human behavior and society, dealing with more abstract, variable, and less easily measurable phenomena. The distinction is often based on mathematical rigor, experimental control, and replicability, though the terms are controversial and can imply a false hierarchy of difficulty or importance.
 
In this essay, Breaking the Chain, quantum mechanics is reconsidered in light of Edmund Husserl’s phenomenology — an entirely philosophical perspective that scientists, untutored in philosophy, have overlooked.
 
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Edmund Husserl's phenomenology is the "science of experience," a method focused on the direct investigation of phenomena as they consciously appear to us, free from assumptions or causal explanations. Key to this method are intentionality, the inherent directedness of consciousness toward objects, and the phenomenological reduction (or bracketing), which involves temporarily suspending our belief in the external world to concentrate on the structure of subjective experience itself. The goal is to understand the essential, invariable features of consciousness and its objects as they are given in experience, thereby providing a foundation for a "strict science" of philosophy.


Core Concepts

Phenomena:

The "things themselves" as they appear to our consciousness, studied without the influence of preconceived theories or biases.
Intentionality:
The fundamental characteristic of consciousness being "about" something; consciousness is always consciousness of something, whether a physical object, a thought, or a feeling.
Phenomenological Reduction (Epoché or Bracketing):
A process where one suspends or "brackets" one's normal beliefs about the world and its objective existence to focus exclusively on the structure of conscious experience.
Essence (Eidos):
After reduction, the focus shifts to understanding the essential, unchanging structures (the essences or ideal types) that constitute the phenomena, moving from factual instances to pure possibilities.

Key Aims and Methods

Descriptive Method:
Phenomenology describes the contents and structures of experience rather than explaining them causally.

Focus on Lived Experience:
The method prioritizes first-person, subjective experience to understand how meaning is constituted.
"Strict Science" of Philosophy:
Husserl aimed to establish philosophy as a rigorous, foundational science based on the undeniable evidence of conscious experience.

How it Works (Simplified)

Start with the Natural Attitude: We generally experience the world as a given reality outside our minds.

Apply the Reduction (Bracketing): We temporarily suspend these beliefs. We don't deny the world exists, but we set aside our assumptions about it to focus only on how it appears to us.
Observe Intentionality: We notice how our consciousness is always directed toward these phenomena.
Identify Essences: Through reflection and description, we aim to uncover the invariant, essential structures that make these phenomena what they are, as experienced.

At least some of tat is now cognitive psychology.

He was born during the Civil War.

To me 'putting philosophy on a rigorous scientific basis' is a contradiction in terms.

The problem with using verbal abstractions is defining complex concepts in an unambiguous way not subject to any interpretation or debate. The opposite if subklectve persption.

A lot of philosophy threads devolved into debate over definitions and meaning. The many threads on determinism and free will. There are shades of free will and determinism.

In SI the basis for everything is the meter, kilogram, and second. The MKS system.

With MRI perceptions are being put on a measurable neurological basis.

Give somebody a stimulus and see how the brain reacts.

There are people with whom colors change with sound. Sowething about audio and visual nerves getting mixed. Watched a show on it.





Synesthesia (American English) or synaesthesia (British English) is a perceptual phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway.[1][2][3][4] People with synesthesia may experience colors when listening to music, see shapes when smelling certain scents, or perceive tastes when looking at words.

The earliest recorded case of synesthesia is attributed to the Oxford University academic and philosopher John Locke, who, in 1690, made a report about a blind man who said he experienced the color scarlet when he heard the sound of a trumpet.[13] However, there is disagreement as to whether Locke described an actual instance of synesthesia or was using a metaphor.[14] The first medical account came from German physician Georg Tobias Ludwig Sachs in 1812.[14][15][16] The term is from Ancient Greek σύν syn 'together' and αἴσθησις aisthēsis 'sensation'.[13]
 
Much of our “normal” perception is synesthetic IMO. We are constantly filling in the blanks, assuming the color of sounds etc.
It’s rarely totally conscious.
 
There are exeriments that show how how we fill in the blanks, interpolate.

Have people read stories with some missing specific details. Ask questions after people read the stories and they can fill in blanks.

Possibly a a survival mechanism.
 
Physical science is based on Systems International.
No, it isn't, you have this entirely backwards.

SI is based on physical science, and is an arbitrarily selected single metrology, taken from an infinite number of equally rational and elegant possible metrologies.

These themselves are a subset of a much larger infinity of less rational and less elegant metrologies, all of which nonetheless are perfectly workable, albeit less efficient*.

SI is distinctive because it was designed to minimise and simplify conversion factors, while remaining practical for use across a wide variety of use cases.

Previous metrologies tended to be accreted from large numbers of independently developed systems, each optimised for a very specific set of users performing a very specific task, rendering them more difficult to adapt to novel tasks or situations, and more difficult to relate to one another - but often somewhat better for their original purpose than SI or other related metrologies.

The development of SI marks the culmination of a shift from metrologies that fo one thing very well, to metrologies that do almost everything passably well (but often do nothing as well as its users would prefer). It's a similar shift from quality to quantity as the one we saw in manufacturing, which in the C19th moved from individually crafted mechanisms, to mass produced mechanisms with interchangeable and standardised parts.

That shift leads inevitably to a push for monoculture; A rational and elegant universal metrological system has huge benefits, but those benefits are largely lost unless everyone agrees to use the same system - hence the word "Internationale".

To take one example - distance - we find that SI uses the metre, which was originally defined based on the dimensions of the Earth, with one metre defined as 1/10,000 of the great circle distance from pole to equator. This is not the first widely adopted distance unit to be based on planetary dimensions - the nautical mile was defined to be the distance implied by a one minute of arc change in lattitude, or 1/5,400 of the great circle distance from pole to equator. Both units have the advantage of universality (at least for users on this planet), but the disadvantage of scale (it's hard to find a measuring tape long enough to stretch from pole to equator).

Both units are equally (im)practical, but the metre has the (rather arbitrary) "advantage" of using base 10, where the nautical mile uses base 60. That's great if you want round numbers for your conversion factors when handling derived measures (as long as you also use base 10 in all your other dimensions, such as time or mass), but terrible if you want rational numbers for the results of simple arithmetical operations. The price we pay for using decimal is the proliferation of decimal places, even for simple fractions like 1/3.

The metre and the nautical mile are both equally arbitrary, and both based on physical science - indeed, they are both based on the same bit of physical science (the circumference of the Earth). But only one is an SI unit. It would be absurd to say "Physical science is based on the nautical mile"; it's obviously the other way about. It's exactly as absurd (and for the exact same reason) to claim that:
Physical science is based on Systems International.

SI is based on physical science - but it is in no way special in that regard; ALL metrologies in human history have been based on physical science.








* Such as the system the Americans call "English" or "Traditional", and the English call "Imperial".
 
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The article I found this morning by Steven French about applying the philosophy of Husserl to QM turned out to be quite a find. In the article he mentions that 1939 monograph by London and Bauer that went largely … overlooked. Doing a web search, I find there currently seems to be a major revival of interest in that very monograph. This, then, is a case study, in real time, of how philosophy informs science, and this is so even if turns out that phenomenology ultimately proves to be a dead end in QM studies.

The revival is so intense that ScienceDirect has devoted an entire issue to the subject, here. You can download the whole issue for free. I look forward to reading it. A word of caution: Before learning I could download the whole issue, I clicked on the first article, and immediately was confronted with a popup box that invited me to SUBSCRIBE — yes, to pay money — not for the magazine, but for AI SUMMARIES OF THE ARTICLES. :eek2: Moreover, although the box had an x in the top right, clicking it did not make the popup go away. I had to do other shit to get out of the doom loop.
 
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A note of correction: The WHOLE issue is not devoted to the topic, it is just a “special” issue centering around the topic.
 
Pood

What do mean by philosophy and science when you say philosophy informs science?

What particular philosophy, details.

We all have influences and inspiration some of it unconscious. But that is not the same as 'philosophy informs'.

There have been others in the past on the forum who seemed to desperately cling to the idea that science is really part of philosophy.
 
Pood

What do mean by philosophy and science when you say philosophy informs science?

What particular philosophy, details.

We all have influences and inspiration some of it unconscious. But that is not the same as 'philosophy informs'.

There have been others in the past on the forum who seemed to desperately cling to the idea that science is really part of philosophy.

The answer is simply to reread this thread from the start, and also this thread.
 
Basically, there is no such thing as science without philosophy.
 
As already noted, philosophy bakes the bread that science eats. Einstein acknowledged this, saying he never would have come up with relativity theory had he not read David Hume. Also as noted, Hume offered a compelling argument against design in nature long before Darwin came along. The other major contributions of philosophy to science have already been laid out in this thread and in the other one I just linked above. So I don’t know why Steve keeps asking me the same question that I have already answered many times.
 
Pood

What do mean by philosophy and science when you say philosophy informs science?

What particular philosophy, details.

We all have influences and inspiration some of it unconscious. But that is not the same as 'philosophy informs'.

There have been others in the past on the forum who seemed to desperately cling to the idea that science is really part of philosophy.

The answer is simply to reread this thread from the start, and also this thread.
Are you channeling Peacegirl?

I am thinking you do not have an answer.

When I think about science I see flesh and blood people doing jobs and getting paid for it.

If your image of science is that of people sitting around dreaming up theories that would be a very limited view. Einstein at Princeton or Hawking.

Science and engineering are creative endeavors as are music, writing,c and visual art.

I have seen or herd of a philosophical guide to doing science.

Philosophy has categories. Like ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, epistemology. How does any of it 'guide' science? I once started a class in aesthetics and dropped it, it was mind numbing.

Science is a very broad category with many sub categories.

When it was found classical mechanics did not model black body radiation, how did philosophy guide the path to QM?

What is human creativity? Did philosophy guide Mozart and Bach?

Modern science gives philosophers something to write about.

My views come from a life of experience with science and working with many different people.

In a small group I pwred in I wpred with a physcist, chemist, and a maerials specilist.

The cheist was into mytery wrting and won several awrds.

The physicist was into amateur sports car racing.

Another physicist I knew was into guns. He was a laser jock.

Real people. AE had his idiosyncrasies. You first have to demystify science.
 
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Pood

What do mean by philosophy and science when you say philosophy informs science?

What particular philosophy, details.

We all have influences and inspiration some of it unconscious. But that is not the same as 'philosophy informs'.

There have been others in the past on the forum who seemed to desperately cling to the idea that science is really part of philosophy.

The answer is simply to reread this thread from the start, and also this thread.
Are you channeling Peacegirl?

I am thinking you do not have an answer.

Jesus fucking christ.

See this post.
 
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