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I'd accept war. But this time around show absolutely no mercy to the traitors afterwards.
The traitors being identified as the side that lost? That’s how it usually works out.

War is horribly destructive to so many unintended targets. It tears away our very humanity.

War
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin
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Victoria, NSW & Qld could out vote the other states if based upon population. Needs to be prevented.
Why?

What pronciple applies here that says democracy should be suspended for certain geographic subdivisions (ie states), but should not be suspended within those geographic subdivisions?

The infamous Joh government in Queensland was sustained by such intra-state suspension of democracy to give rural people greater power than urbanites, and this is generally viewed as a bad thing.

Why is it unacceptable for a handful of peanut farmers in Kingaroy to override millions of Brisbanites; But acceptable for a handful of Tasmanians to have the same Senate power as millions of Victorians?

The City of Brisbane (just the local government area) has nearly three times the population of the state of Tasmania. Yet Brisbane has to share her senators with the rest of the state of Queensland. Why? Why should Brisbane get less representation in the Senate than Tasmania? It seems to be purely a matter of semantics; We call this little piece of geography a "state", so it gets seven senators; That piece we call a "Local Government Area", so it gets to share Senate representation with 76 other LGAs, giving it one eleventh of a senator.

Are Tasmanians really so much smarter than New South Welshmen that they deserve fifteen times the influence in the Senate? Or are states always so
politically uniform that they should be treated as though they were individual persons? Do rural Tasmanians share so much more in common with Hobartians than they do with rural Victorians, (who always agree with Melbournites), such that it makes sense to treat states as though they were voters?

The whole point of democracy is to prevent a minority from wielding excessive power. A majority of citizens should be able to overrule the desires of a tiny minority of their peers. That's what democracy IS.

And yet, when countries have federal structures, all of a sudden we are expected to treat states as though they are equal individuals, despite massive disparities in population. And nobody seems to question why.

We should declare each LGA in Queensland to be its own state. But that still would be unfair, as Brisbane contains far more people than Cairns or Townsville. So maybe each suburb in Brisbane should be a state. But still, there would be inequity. Maybe each household? No, some households are much bigger than others. It seems that the only fair political subdivision is the individual voter.

Lets give each voter equal power to elect senators, and stop pretending that by moving to Hobart, an Australian becomes eleven times as important as he was when he lived in Mount Isa, and fifteen times as important as he was when he lived in Gosford.
 
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I'd accept war. But this time around show absolutely no mercy to the traitors afterwards.
The traitors being identified as the side that lost? That’s how it usually works out.

War is horribly destructive to so many unintended targets. It tears away our very humanity.

War
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin
Say it again
Y'all
 
The traitors being identified as the side that lost? That’s how it usually works out.

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I said. Personally, I would’ve preferred the Confederate traitors been rounded up, imprisoned, stripped of power, or killed if they refused to surrender instead of the half-measures and reconciliation that actually followed.
 
The traitors being identified as the side that lost? That’s how it usually works out.

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I said. Personally, I would’ve preferred the Confederate traitors been rounded up, imprisoned, stripped of power, or killed if they refused to surrender instead of the half-measures and reconciliation that actually followed.
Yeah, but Lincoln was trying to forge a lasting peace between literally brothers. If Lincoln had not been assassinated, I think that Reconstruction would have been more...constructive.

I suppose part of the way of thinking is that many (but not most) Southerners, or at least the ones wealthy enough to enslave people technically 'lost property' but it makes the bile rise up in my throat, literally, to even type those words.

What was done to indigenous peoples here and stolen people brought here enslaved is horrible beyond description.
 
People who used the vague and arguably nonexistent “colorblind” argument to gut the Voting Rights Act were never interested in empathy, reconciliation, or understanding the historical reasons those protections existed in the first place. The moment they get the opportunity, niggers will be hanging from trees again.
 
People who used the vague and arguably nonexistent “colorblind” argument to gut the Voting Rights Act were never interested in empathy, reconciliation, or understanding the historical reasons those protections existed in the first place. The moment they get the opportunity, niggers will be hanging from trees again.
Sadly I agree
 
People who used the vague and arguably nonexistent “colorblind” argument to gut the Voting Rights Act were never interested in empathy, reconciliation, or understanding the historical reasons those protections existed in the first place. The moment they get the opportunity, niggers will be hanging from trees again.
We have been negligent about actively forestalling that moment, and sadly it seems imminent and inevitable, absent an historic backlash - in public and at the polls.
These are precarious times.
 
People who used the vague and arguably nonexistent “colorblind” argument to gut the Voting Rights Act were never interested in empathy, reconciliation, or understanding the historical reasons those protections existed in the first place. The moment they get the opportunity, niggers will be hanging from trees again.
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So gerrymandering based on racial assumptions to produce partisan outcomes that are also correlated with race is okay? At least SCOTUS agrees.
It is more that SCOTUS struck down mandatory racial gerrymandering (that produced districts like Backslashistan in Louisiana) that also produces partisan advantage as a byproduct.
 
You can disagree with how it’s applied today, but pretending it was created to solve a non-existent problem completely ignores the historical context. Are you doing that intentionally, or are you genuinely unaware of it?
I am not arguing that there wasn't a problem that needed to be addressed. That does not change the fact that it was addressed in a very flawed way. It would be one thing if it was understood as a temporary band aid, but in the decades since it has calcified into a permanent "solution". So much so that it is seen as the only way those issues CAN be addressed, and that any attempts at reform are inherently "racist". See all the hyperbole over "Jim Crow 2.0" and similar.
Do you really believe America is completely colorblind? And are you even colorblind yourself? Because the way you're approaching me right now seems to assume I’m somehow happy these laws ever became necessary in the first place. I wonder why. :rolleyes:
America is certainly much different than it was in the 1960s. So much so that Obama won presidency twice, in a country that is only ~14% black. He also managed to secure the nomination because he did well in early states of Iowa and New Hampshire that are whiter than the country as a whole.
Today, there are five black US Senators, and the Governor of Maryland is also black, even though no US state in majority black. That works against the argument that a mandatory quota of black majority districts is somehow necessary for black representation.
In fact, by cultivating black candidates who appeal to a more diverse electorate on the level of House of Representatives (and even state legislature) level, we will get more politicians like Wes Moore and Barack Obama. What's wrong with that?
 
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