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Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

We need a "police acting like actual police & not criminals catch-all" thread.
 
I saw the video on the news this morning;

After a video provided to CBS2/KCAL9 by a witness showing three plainclothes Glendale police officers beating a teenager suspected of shoplifting, with another uniformed officer coming into the fray and kicking the teen in the face, all four officers have been placed on administrative leave. “It was really hard to watch. We got traumatized. We have, like, all of the video stuck in our head,” Melissa Navarette, the teen victim’s sisters, told CBSLA’s Kandiss Crone.
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ZiprHead said:
repoman said:
This is a good event, with the policeman being brave

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She would have been shot down a long time before the takedown by US cops.
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I doubt it. These days, the mainstream and social media love a good "cop shoots and kills suspect" story, so that's what they bring you. Non lethal and often peaceful takedowns of armed suspects happen all the time, but that's not really what sells or fits the "police bad" narrative.

Speaking of, let's add a little positive balance to this thread, with video of cops doing good. Sadly, with demands for "defund the police" and record numbers of police retiring and quitting due to all the bad press, we are likely to see less of these stories:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xuw_abLkf8[/YOUTUBE]
 
thebeave said:
I doubt it. These days, the mainstream and social media love a good "cop shoots and kills suspect" story, so that's what they bring you. Non lethal and often peaceful takedowns of armed suspects happen all the time, but that's not really what sells or fits the "police bad" narrative.

Speaking of, let's add a little positive balance to this thread, with video of cops doing good. Sadly, with demands for "defund the police" and record numbers of police retiring and quitting due to all the bad press, we are likely to see less of these stories:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xuw_abLkf8[/YOUTUBE]
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That you believe cops doing their job requires special recognition pretty much shows how fucked accountability is in law enforcement. Like you said, it's easy ratings to report on police corruption and yet I have never heard of a news story where police enforced their own without prompting from the public first. So fuck giving them a gold star for sometimes doing an adequate job that costs some cities half their fiscal budget.
 
Patooka said:
thebeave said:
I doubt it. These days, the mainstream and social media love a good "cop shoots and kills suspect" story, so that's what they bring you. Non lethal and often peaceful takedowns of armed suspects happen all the time, but that's not really what sells or fits the "police bad" narrative.

Speaking of, let's add a little positive balance to this thread, with video of cops doing good. Sadly, with demands for "defund the police" and record numbers of police retiring and quitting due to all the bad press, we are likely to see less of these stories:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xuw_abLkf8[/YOUTUBE]
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That you believe cops doing their job requires special recognition pretty much shows how fucked accountability is in law enforcement. Like you said, it's easy ratings to report on police corruption and yet I have never heard of a news story where police enforced their own without prompting from the public first. So fuck giving them a gold star for sometimes doing an adequate job that costs some cities half their fiscal budget.
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And "loving stories" is not why we amplify them! We'd like to have a world where it's very rare to see these stories!
 
Gospel said:
ZiprHead said:
This is a big one and well worth the read.

A Criminal Injustice: How a City Ignored the Rape, Murder and Terrorism of Black Women for Four Decades
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It was ok for white people to hate black people over a color for 200 years but kill me if I hate white people when they do that kinda shit right?
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Well, yes, you are acting immorally by hating white people over this. Why is that difficult to understand?

And it wasn't "OK" for white people to hate black people for 200 years. What is so hard to understand?
 
J842P said:
Gospel said:
[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/-g-TCv5MkXs[/YOUTUBE]
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Jesus. Sometimes I think the only real solution would be mob justice in these cases.
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I think that could be one factor in why some cities and states have started instituting new policies and laws regarding police conduct. If the lawmakers and those who have the power to put the brakes on police brutality and misconduct do not do so, they will inevitably draw the rage of more and more citizens. You can only straight up murder citizens or put their lives at risk unnecessarily so many times before your entire community rises up and stops you.

The depth of corruption, abuse, and criminality of those who are supposed to be using their badges and weapons to protect society here in the US is obscene.
 
The corruption, abuse, and criminality of those who are supposed to be using their badges and weapons to protect society here in the US is obscene.
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You know what else is obscene?
The degree of drugs, guns, and violence.

Adding that to the culture of victimhood and entitlement is a recipe for disaster. Why would a person who wants to help make society safer, but feels under the gun from everyone from criminals to judges to passersby, stay on the job?

I wouldn't.
Tom
 
TomC said:
The corruption, abuse, and criminality of those who are supposed to be using their badges and weapons to protect society here in the US is obscene.
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You know what else is obscene?
The degree of drugs, guns, and violence.

Adding that to the culture of victimhood and entitlement is a recipe for disaster. Why would a person who wants to help make society safer, but feels under the gun from everyone from criminals to judges to passersby, stay on the job?

I wouldn't.
Tom
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I'm sorry, Tom, but that seems like a major red herring. Cops want to have the respect and honor associated with being real police, but in America, most police are basically armed gangs of the state. You can't pull shit like that video we were discussing, the PIT maneuver that almost killed someone because some person followed the law and put on their blinkers to indicate that they were waiting for a safe area to pull over, and expect not to feel "under the gun". Sorry.
 
TomC said:
The corruption, abuse, and criminality of those who are supposed to be using their badges and weapons to protect society here in the US is obscene.
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You know what else is obscene?
The degree of drugs, guns, and violence.

Adding that to the culture of victimhood and entitlement is a recipe for disaster. Why would a person who wants to help make society safer, but feels under the gun from everyone from criminals to judges to passersby, stay on the job?

I wouldn't.
Tom
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Yeah, and instead of doing all that, they're demanding that every citizen regard them as their ultimate authority and using their state sanctioned power abuse and even kill those who disagree (mostly poor and brown people), and those cops who don't fall into this group, the "good" cops, are irrelevant to the problem of corrupt, abusive, criminal police.

That absolutely must stop regardless of whatever else you think cops should be doing.

Nice fear mongering, though. Where'd you get it? Fox Newstainment?
 
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TomC said:
The corruption, abuse, and criminality of those who are supposed to be using their badges and weapons to protect society here in the US is obscene.
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You know what else is obscene?
The degree of drugs, guns, and violence.

Adding that to the culture of victimhood and entitlement is a recipe for disaster. Why would a person who wants to help make society safer, but feels under the gun from everyone from criminals to judges to passersby, stay on the job?

I wouldn't.
Tom
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Yea, I agree with you. Being a cop today is a miserable job. According to this poll, only 7% would recommend becoming a cop:

https://www.police1.com/police-jobs...ld-recommend-becoming-a-cop-Ee749RbuTcMG7bm5/

I also think that it's a terrible that the police have become the first level of defense in dealing with the mentally ill because our social programs have so failed.
 
J842P said:
Gospel said:
ZiprHead said:
This is a big one and well worth the read.

A Criminal Injustice: How a City Ignored the Rape, Murder and Terrorism of Black Women for Four Decades
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It was ok for white people to hate black people over a color for 200 years but kill me if I hate white people when they do that kinda shit right?
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Well, yes, you are acting immorally by hating white people over this. Why is that difficult to understand?

And it wasn't "OK" for white people to hate black people for 200 years. What is so hard to understand?
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I think the breakdown in communication here is that I did not say ALL WHITE PEOPLE but you seem to believe I did.
 
Gospel said:
J842P said:
Well, yes, you are acting immorally by hating white people over this. Why is that difficult to understand?

And it wasn't "OK" for white people to hate black people for 200 years. What is so hard to understand?
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I think the breakdown in communication here is that I did not say ALL WHITE PEOPLE but you seem to believe I did.
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Another aspect of breakdown in these conversations is that white people as a group do not understand that Black people essentially live in a white world, but white people do not live in a Black world or even a highly diverse world. Most of us live in a predominantly white world with some peripheral non-white people in it.

And mind you, Gospel, this is stuff I say to white people, not to Black people. I'm putting it here for general purpose mainly, and just using your post to reply because it's relevant to the conversation. I really don't think it's appropriate for me, as a white person, to give any Black person my opinions on race. It is appropriate for me to give my opinions about race to white people, though.

So white people, listen up, understand that you do not live in a society dominated by Black people, conservative fantasy fear mongering that we and our families are all gonna be overcome and murderized in our beds tonight by BLM and "thugs" and hip hop artists notwithstanding. We see Black perspectives and hear Black voices to a limited degree but mainly just when we bother to actively seek out Black stories and perspectives. And often when something negative gets our attention, which rarely if ever presents an in depth picture, our minds tend to amplify it. We have to consciously, actively seek out Black voices and stories and history because our default state does not prompt us to do anything different.

We white people tend to not intuitively recognize that Black Americans are and have always been immersed in white perspectives, voices, stories, art, media, and institutions. We're not immersed in theirs. They are immersed in ours. They are swimming in whiteness whether they like it or not. If we give a shit about systemic racism, we will recognize that it is their opinions that we should be listening to very carefully and generously. And it does not hurt white people in the least to do so.

It's not a matter of this vs that, where it's just two sides of something and one side's prejudices are matched by the other side inversely. That's just not possible when the society is built for the majority and without regard for the minority, except in those many aspects where the minority was in fact considered but in the most oppressive and punishing ways possible.

Again, white people are not immersed in Black people's perspectives, stories, voices, art, media, or institutions, and when I say “Black institutions,” I sure as shit am not talking about U.S. democracy or religious influence or politics or the economy or social power. Not only are Black people underrepresented in these institutions, but it’s always gonna be a fight to change that because white people lose their fucking minds just seeing Black people playing the roles of white people in history in the arts as they did when Hamilton made its way into the white collective consciousness.

These things do absolutely belong to Black citizens by rights, but in practice, they don't control them nor did they build most of them in concept or ideals, just mainly the dirty work parts at the direction and design of white people. They did build the economy in the South during slavery, and they did build much of our infrastructure in that time and since, but they weren't building these things for Black people to control or even benefit from except in narrow, limited contexts set by white people.

So Black people don't need to understand us or our perspectives or opinions. White people’s opinions are the substrate of their existence. If you're white, let me be clear: if you speak your opinions about Black people or race to Black people, you're an asshole at the very best, and at worst, you actively continue a racist society that has been filling Black ears with white perspectives for several hundred years while remaining largely oblivious to theirs.

I just want to again make it crystal clear to everyone reading. However, Gospel, if you do have any thoughts on this, feel free. I would welcome them.
 
J842P said:
And it wasn't "OK" for white people to hate black people for 200 years. What is so hard to understand?
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Looking at US history, as a generalization about white people as a group it is consistent with the notion that it was "OK" for white people to either enslave or discriminate against black people for about 200 years because white people did it.
 
Police in Ocean City, MD taze someone who wasn't resisting. He's given conflicting instructions by three different officers. One telling him not to move, another telling him to get on the ground, another telling him to take off his backpack. He starts to take off his backpack and gets tazed.

His crime? Violating a no vaping on the boardwalk ordinance.
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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Police in Ocean City Maryland tasered a 17-year-old teenager after they accused him of vaping yesterday. <a href="https://t.co/PVzagAV5i1">pic.twitter.com/PVzagAV5i1</a></p>— Rebecca Kavanagh (@DrRJKavanagh) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1404220794096455684?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]..
 
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