Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Loren Pechtel]

Ah, yes. A capital crime in the Land of the Free^TM

Who said it was? Note that the cops did not shoot him or anything. They just tried to arrest him and tased him when he resisted.
Do cops Down Under carry tasers?

Yep, except they're trained. I'm not saying they're perfect, but the casual way you defend deaths in custody is downright barbaric.

And you have some evidence this was done improperly? Drive the body too hard with drugs and sometimes the rebound later is lethal, not to mention simply overdriving the heart can also be lethal. In the old days we didn't notice such cases as they generally had substantial injuries by the time they were subdued and the deaths were thought to have come from that. The taser came along and now they get subdued without appreciable injury but the same sequence of events still plays out and now gets noticed.

 

[Patooka]

And you have some evidence this was done improperly? Drive the body too hard with drugs and sometimes the rebound later is lethal, not to mention simply overdriving the heart can also be lethal

When law enforcement ends up killing someone, the bare fucking minimum is to investigate and update training accordingly so it doesn't happen again. This may come as a shock to you, but US law enforcement has such a well documented history of CYA if I'm being polite (corrupt coverups if I'm being accurate), I'd need to see some indication that this wasn't the case here.

The willingness of some Americans accepting cops killing yet another citizen is depressingly predictable at this stage.

 

[Oleg]

The willingness of some Americans accepting cops killing yet another citizen is depressingly predictable at this stage.

Whenever a person resists arrest the chance of a bad outcome goes up. Most people understand that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ah, yes. A capital crime in the Land of the Free^TM

Who said it was? Note that the cops did not shoot him or anything. They just tried to arrest him and tased him when he resisted.
Do cops Down Under carry tasers?

Way to miss the point.

How is "not following simple commands" a problematic behaviour? Was this individual a sworn subordinate of the person issuing the "simple commands"?

I won't follow simple commands from people. Because I am a free man. A society in which police are permitted to commit violence against citizens for "not following simple commands" is a totalitarian police state.

Yet, you seem to casually imagine that this is a just, reasonable, and expected way for police to behave.

That's a deep and serious flaw in your character, that cannot be justified by appealing to the irrelevant fact that Australian police carry Tazers.

It most certainly is problematic behavior as the issue was arresting him for DUI (and likely fleeing the scene of an accident.) Do Aussie cops simply let criminals go if they don't want to be arrested??

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You do know that Al Jazeera is a propaganda organ of the Qatari state, right? Even YouTube runs a disclaimer under their videos.

Screen-grab Al-Jazeera's news home page. Then screen-grab the home page of Fox News or one of the other QOPAnon sources admired by you and your Ilk. Post the pics here.

If you dare.

Al Jazeera used to be a pretty good news source, then they came under the ownership of Qatar and since then the interests of the state superceed the interests of telling the truth. The fact that they are in general still truth-tellers doesn't negate the fact that they are a propaganda organ--the best propaganda is based on a minimal distortion of the truth rather than outright fabrication. You slip your lie in with a bunch of truth and people think they can trust it because the other stuff can be verified.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Screen-grab Al-Jazeera's news home page. Then screen-grab the home page of Fox News or one of the other QOPAnon sources admired by you and your Ilk. Post the pics here.
If you dare.

Why? I don't "admire" FOX nor "QOPAnon" sources (whatever those are), although FOX News is sometimes worthwhile as a source with news reporting, not opinion pieces (and these AJ videos are basically opinion pieces).

Your attempts at whataboutism do not change the fact that Al Jazeera is a very biased state-owned source.

Faux is far worse than Al Jazeera.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Where do you get “propaganda organ” from?

They often run anti-Israel and anti-American pieces.

Are you reduced to self-parody? Al-Jazeera reports true stories about Israel harassing and killing Palestinians. Your preferred sources spend their efforts posting lies about Hunter's laptop and its connection to the Benghazi Massacre.

Al Jazeera reports Palestinian claims of harassment and killing of Palestinians. That doesn't make them true. Some probably are but an awful lot are fabrications.

Obviously he's claiming, correctly, that Wikipedia made the claim. Why don't you prove that Wikipedia is wrong? But add that to your work queue; I want to see the screen-grabs first.

This is a left-right issue, Wikipedia is very untrustworthy in such matters.

Can you prove that FoxNews is "editorially independent" of Koch Industries? Or the Proud Boys?

I'm certainly not going to defend Faux, they're a lot worse than Al Jazeera.

 

[Patooka]

The willingness of some Americans accepting cops killing yet another citizen is depressingly predictable at this stage.

Whenever a person resists arrest the chance of a bad outcome goes up. Most people understand that.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Toni]

Ah, yes. A capital crime in the Land of the Free^TM

Who said it was? Note that the cops did not shoot him or anything. They just tried to arrest him and tased him when he resisted.
Do cops Down Under carry tasers?

Yep, except they're trained. I'm not saying they're perfect, but the casual way you defend deaths in custody is downright barbaric.

And you have some evidence this was done improperly? Drive the body too hard with drugs and sometimes the rebound later is lethal, not to mention simply overdriving the heart can also be lethal. In the old days we didn't notice such cases as they generally had substantial injuries by the time they were subdued and the deaths were thought to have come from that. The taser came along and now they get subdued without appreciable injury but the same sequence of events still plays out and now gets noticed.

Tasers can and do cause deaths. They should not be used.

Reuter's report on 2018 deaths: https://www.reuters.com/investigate...xt=The toll, now at 1,081,deaths have occured

%20since%202000.

The toll, now at 1,081, is being updated as we identify new cases. Click on the map to explore fatalities across the country. The most recent cases are highlighted below the map. Nearly all the deaths have occured since 2000.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In a nutshell, Derec's argument is that the guy deserved what he got. Why else bring up the victim's past and then call him "St Keenan"?

If someone cannot acknowledge or grasp that the 30 seconds of continuous tazing of someone who is under the physical control of 3 police officers is, at a minimum, torture, and that it contributed to the victim's death, there really is no hope that facts or rational discussion will alter that position.

Tasing is less damaging than other means of subduing people.

 

[laughing dog]

The willingness of some Americans accepting cops killing yet another citizen is depressingly predictable at this stage.

Whenever a person resists arrest the chance of a bad outcome goes up. Most people understand that.

"A bad outcome" encompasses a wide range of possibilities as to make your response rather meaningless. For example, a possible bad outcome would be for the police to have bashed his head into a pulp. Presumably that would not be viewed as acceptable by most people. So some of real questions are
1) what are the acceptable limit to these bad outcomes,
2) is this limit dependent on the situation, and
3) are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

 

[laughing dog]

In a nutshell, Derec's argument is that the guy deserved what he got. Why else bring up the victim's past and then call him "St Keenan"?

If someone cannot acknowledge or grasp that the 30 seconds of continuous tazing of someone who is under the physical control of 3 police officers is, at a minimum, torture, and that it contributed to the victim's death, there really is no hope that facts or rational discussion will alter that position.

Tasing is less damaging than other means of subduing people.

And more damaging than other ways. So, do you have actual point?

 

[Toni]

In a nutshell, Derec's argument is that the guy deserved what he got. Why else bring up the victim's past and then call him "St Keenan"?

If someone cannot acknowledge or grasp that the 30 seconds of continuous tazing of someone who is under the physical control of 3 police officers is, at a minimum, torture, and that it contributed to the victim's death, there really is no hope that facts or rational discussion will alter that position.

Tasing is less damaging than other means of subduing people.

By which you mean the corpse is left in better shape than if it had been riddled with bullets or the head caved in with a police baton?

Less lethal is not the same as not lethal.

 

[Oleg]

are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

It would be nice if a safer alternative to tasers were developed; until then, a bit silly to criticize cops for using it when confronted with a person determined not to be arrested.

 

[laughing dog]

are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

It would be nice if a safer alternative to tasers were developed; until then, a bit silly to criticize cops for using it when confronted with a person determined not to be arrested.

They were tasing him because they were impatient about getting the handcuffs on him. And you think it is a bit silly to criticize the tasing of someone for 30 seconds while they are being effectively held down by 3 officers? Wow.

 

[Patooka]

are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

It would be nice if a safer alternative to tasers were developed; until then, a bit silly to criticize cops for using it when confronted with a person determined not to be arrested.

You're making it sound as though it was all the cops involved first day. That's bullshit. Yes cops deserve criticism when someone dies in their custody. Especially when they outnumber the victim. Superiority in training, numbers and equipment and someone still gets killed? None of them should be cops. This isn't a radical idea.

 

[Gospel]

are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

It would be nice if a safer alternative to tasers were developed; until then, a bit silly to criticize cops for using it when confronted with a person determined not to be arrested.

I thought 4 to 5 cops was already enough to apprehend some unarmed dude, but what do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In a nutshell, Derec's argument is that the guy deserved what he got. Why else bring up the victim's past and then call him "St Keenan"?

If someone cannot acknowledge or grasp that the 30 seconds of continuous tazing of someone who is under the physical control of 3 police officers is, at a minimum, torture, and that it contributed to the victim's death, there really is no hope that facts or rational discussion will alter that position.

Tasing is less damaging than other means of subduing people.

And more damaging than other ways. So, do you have actual point?

Error: List of "other ways" not found.

This isn't leftist fantasyland where there's always a good answer if you look hard enough.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

It would be nice if a safer alternative to tasers were developed; until then, a bit silly to criticize cops for using it when confronted with a person determined not to be arrested.

They were tasing him because they were impatient about getting the handcuffs on him. And you think it is a bit silly to criticize the tasing of someone for 30 seconds while they are being effectively held down by 3 officers? Wow.

People get hurt in such struggles. And 3 officers is not enough to restrain someone. IIRC you need at least 5.

 

[Shadowy Man]

are there safer or better ways to deal with such situations?

It would be nice if a safer alternative to tasers were developed; until then, a bit silly to criticize cops for using it when confronted with a person determined not to be arrested.

I thought 4 to 5 cops was already enough to apprehend some unarmed dude, but what do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe it was Luke Cage.