Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Gospel]

I don't know man. With these descriptions it's hard to ignore that race is a common denominator.

Behavioral Factors​

Behaviour is affected by factors relating to the person, including:

• physical factors - age, health, illness, pain, influence of a substance or medication
• personal and emotional factors - personality, beliefs, expectations, emotions, mental health
• life experiences - family, culture, friends, life events
• what the person needs and wants.

Behaviour is also affected by the context, including:

• what is happening at the time
• the environment - heat, light, noise, privacy
• the response of other people, which is affected by their own physical factors, personal and emotional factors, life experiences, wants and needs.

Socioeconomic factors

• Education, showing who in a community has graduated high school or attended some college in addition to the percentage of teens and young adults ages 16-19 who are neither working nor in school.
• Employment, detailing unemployment statistics.
• Income, looking at children in poverty and income inequality.
• Family & Social Support, providing information on children in single-parent households and access to social opportunities.
• Community Safety, measuring violent crime and injury deaths.

 

[Gospel]

Oh wait. That's all just woke talk so I'd better stop before I get called woke.

 

[laughing dog]

Oh wait. That's all just woke talk so I'd better stop before I get called woke.

Better "woke" than "comatose".

 

[Gospel]

For black people it's a war, for white people it's an epidemic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Comparing Black and White Drug Offenders: Implications for Racial Disparities in Criminal Justice and Reentry Policy and Programming

Despite knowledge of racial bias for drug-related criminal justice involvement and its collateral consequences, we know less about differences between Black and White drug offenders. We compare 243 Blacks and White non-violent drug offenders in New Haven, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

While a decades-long war on drugs has ravaged Black communities, lately attention has turned to the recent surge in heroin and painkiller use and overdose among Whites, particularly those in suburbs. Local police and state governments are alarmed and are working to address the epidemic as a health issue, reexamining criminal justice policies and the decades-long emphasis on punishment (Seelye 2016). Many are advocating for the return of the rehabilitative role in judicial and correctional efforts as it relates to drug-related offenders (National Institute on Drug Abuse 2014). The Comprehensive and Addiction Recovery Act of 2015 will be considered by Congress to help states address the dramatic increases in prescription opioid and heroin use in the United States through prevention and rehabilitation efforts. The response to the current opioid epidemic, a public health crisis with a “white face,” has been contrasted to the crack epidemic that hit Black communities hard in the 90s and was met with war tactics in affected communities rather than compassion for offenders (Yankah 2016).

I'm not insinuating that Black people using and distributing drugs should get slaps on the back of the hand and told they aren't responsible for their own actions, I just want white people to get fair treatment. Clearly they aren't being treated with the same sense of urgency that the black community has. And boy do they need it.

 

[Gospel]

It's difficult to speak of the black community to outsiders without it seeming like I'm making excuses or looking for sympathy. That's just a natural reaction from being repulsed by the following details. Putting it mildly black people for hundreds of years have been told we don't belong here. When we had a strong community, ready to band together and make something of ourselves we were (again putting it mildly) widely disenfranchised. Even after rights & privileges (that we should have fucking had to begin with) were "restored" we had to fight every inch of the way. This experience of ours now deemed "socioeconomic and behavioral factors" has been left to fester, through long-term neglect & indifference giving rise to degradation from generation to generation at present manifesting itself in a youth who are no longer interested in engaging in a society that has rejected and out right SHITTED IN THE PLEADING MOUTHS of their ancestors.

But you didn't see this coming huh? You didn't expect anyone to be angry huh? You didn't think the family unit and community would have problems huh? We're supposed to be all hugs and kisses with the flag like Trump huh? Crazy, but many of us are indeed all hugs and kisses with the flag (like myself) and I'm still tasting shit.

Edit: The police itself has a bad history with us too. But you expect everyone to just welcome them with open arms huh?

 

[lpetrich]

I think that many people have a very naïve theory of criminology, a division between "criminals" and "law-abiding people". Thus, they find it hard to accept that people in the latter category can ever be guilty of crimes. That happens a lot with rape and domestic violence, and that also happens with police misconduct.

 

[Derec]

Oh wait. That's all just woke talk so I'd better stop before I get called woke.

Better "woke" than "comatose".

I'd rather be actually awake. "Woke" is just a term for those who think they are awake but are not. Kind of like  Anton syndrome.
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Woke is, for example, believing that Michael Brown was a gentle giant who, on the day he was killed, was spreading the word of Jesus Christ. Awake is knowing he was a thug who robbed a store and attacked a police officer.

 

[Derec]

People do not have strokes because they are emotionally distressed. Or extremely emotionally stressed.

It looks like these things may trigger a stroke.

Wait: was she black? Must have been excited delirium. Isn’t that what you like to say?

No, she was white. There goes that talking point. And much of the interest by the left.

 

[Derec]

Considering that the White and Black population equally uses and distributes illegal drugs;

Assumes facts not in evidence.

it's clear that socioeconomic and behavioral factors just happens to work disproportionately against black people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why is that so surprising. Socioeconomic factors are clearly not evenly distributed among races. Neither is behavior.
Somebody using weed in the comfort of their home is far less likely to get busted than somebody lighting up in public, like for example in the MARTA North Ave. station. I have not seen his photo yet, but I do not think it would surprise either of us if it turns out he was black.

 

[Derec]

Yup. I've never actually tried to get into the wrong car but I have gotten rather annoyed at my car for chirping but not unlocking.

Well, when it happened to me was 20 years ago and I drove a 94 Mazda that did not have the chirpy thing.

It was dark enough I didn't see the interior was wrong and my car was indeed chirping and unlocking--behind me. It wasn't even exactly the same car, but aerodynamics have driven cars to be remarkably similar.

No kidding. Good thing the chirpy thing also flashes the lights. I use it to identify my car in a dark parking lot when I am not sure where exactly I parked.

 

[Derec]

I think that many people have a very naïve theory of criminology, a division between "criminals" and "law-abiding people". Thus, they find it hard to accept that people in the latter category can ever be guilty of crimes. That happens a lot with rape and domestic violence, and that also happens with police misconduct.

It's not a dichotomy by any means. But there are differences between career criminals and regular people. You expect a career criminal to be much more likely to say commit an armed robbery than a usually law-abiding person. Other crimes, like killing an SO in jealous rage, can happen to people regardless of whether they are normally law-abiding or not.

Note that there are other unjustified categorizations that can happen. The Left, including the media (CNN's Nancy Disgrace chief among them), academia (including 88 professors at Duke) and even some people on here were sure that the Duke Lacrosse players must have raped the black stripper cum escort because it fit into their ideological categorization of the world, with white males in the "oppressor" category and black females in the "oppressed" bin. Of course, it turned out that Crystal Mangum was a liar (and later a murderer).

 

[lpetrich]

Woke is, for example, believing that Michael Brown was a gentle giant who, on the day he was killed, was spreading the word of Jesus Christ. Awake is knowing he was a thug who robbed a store and attacked a police officer.

I think that that cop should have had a Taser. There would have been less motive to fight over it. I marvel at those cops who claim that their targets tried to grab their guns, as if that was something super easy.

 

[lpetrich]

I think that many people have a very naïve theory of criminology, a division between "criminals" and "law-abiding people". Thus, they find it hard to accept that people in the latter category can ever be guilty of crimes. That happens a lot with rape and domestic violence, and that also happens with police misconduct.

It's not a dichotomy by any means. ...

This from someone who has objected to exactly *one* police killing. *One*.

As to being unwilling to believe that one's favorite people have committed crimes, I've seen plenty of evidence of that in this thread, like being unwilling to believe that Derek Chauvin was guilty of murdering George Floyd.

 

[Derec]

I think that that cop should have had a Taser.

You mean just a taser, right? Not a taser and a gun? Because that's unrealistic given how many perps are armed with actual handguns.

There would have been less motive to fight over it. I marvel at those cops who claim that their targets tried to grab their guns, as if that was something super easy.

May not be super easy, but it does happen.
Video shows man seized California deputy's gun, shot at her in violent attack
Luckily, the perp missed.
Unfortunately, this perp did not.
N.O. cop killed with own gun

Danger of perps going for officers' guns should not be dismissed.

 

[Derec]

This from someone who has objected to exactly *one* police killing. *One*.

That's false. It is certainly more than one.
If you mean the Mohammed Noor case, my objection there is the short prison sentence compared to say Chauvin. And I think his race and religion played a role given that the AG of Minnesota is a Nation of Islam sympathizer.
Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures

As to being unwilling to believe that one's favorite people have committed crimes, I've seen plenty of evidence of that in this thread, like being unwilling to believe that Derek Chauvin was guilty of murdering George Floyd.

I am not saying Chauvin did not do wrong. But he did not intend to kill anybody (unlike Noor) and it should have been manslaughter, not murder. Certainly it should not have resulted in a 25 year sentence when Noor got 5.

 

[lpetrich]

I think that that cop should have had a Taser.

You mean just a taser, right? Not a taser and a gun? Because that's unrealistic given how many perps are armed with actual handguns.

That's the bigger-gun-wins theory. Naive. It's whoever successfully shoots first who wins. One might not even need a gun - grab them from behind.


Also, about the George Floyd case, that was awful. GF should not have been treated as a criminal when he could easily have been passing some money that he did not know was counterfeit. Even if he did, he may not have been the printer of that fake money. Instead of treating him as a criminal, the cops should have treated him with respect and asked about where he might have gotten that bill. If he's helpful about that, so much the better. If he's weaselly about that, then that's reason to be suspicious.

So because Derek Chauvin decided to act on a grudge, a counterfeiter became harder to catch.

 

[laughing dog]

This from someone who has objected to exactly *one* police killing. *One*.

That's false. It is certainly more than one.
If you mean the Mohammed Noor case, my objection there is the short prison sentence compared to say Chauvin. And I think his race and religion played a role given that the AG of Minnesota is a Nation of Islam sympathizer.
Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures

As to being unwilling to believe that one's favorite people have committed crimes, I've seen plenty of evidence of that in this thread, like being unwilling to believe that Derek Chauvin was guilty of murdering George Floyd.

I am not saying Chauvin did not do wrong. But he did not intend to kill anybody (unlike Noor) and it should have been manslaughter, not murder. Certainly it should not have resulted in a 25 year sentence when Noor got 5.

You have no idea what either officer intended. It is fascinating that you never trace race or religion of a white officer with the AG or DA when the officer is exonerated, but in this case you persist in tying race and religion when those involved are black.

You have no evidence that the Mn AG had any influence over any of the charges against Mr. Noor and he certainly had no influence on the Mn Supreme Court throwing out one of Mr. Noir’s convictions.

 

[Gospel]

Oh wait. That's all just woke talk so I'd better stop before I get called woke.

Better "woke" than "comatose".

I'd rather be actually awake. "Woke" is just a term for those who think they are awake but are not. Kind of like  Anton syndrome.
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Woke is, for example, believing that Michael Brown was a gentle giant who, on the day he was killed, was spreading the word of Jesus Christ. Awake is knowing he was a thug who robbed a store and attacked a police officer.

Nah bruh. Get with the times. Can you provide a source for your definition of Woke? I can.

Definition of WOKE

aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

The one at the very top.

aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

Please provide the source for your definition. Otherwise it's just that, a definition you pulled out of a magic hat in your ass.

 

[Gospel]

For the most part, police are not going out of their way to catch drug users, white or black. I think they catch most people on possession charges incidentally. Commission of another crime, like theft or mugging, or if you are stupid enough to light up in public while e.g. walking down the steps in a MARTA station:
Man stopped for marijuana, shot and killed after pulling gun on MARTA police, chief says

Bold and bloated emphasis is mine. Sources are required, presumptions are unacceptable.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Projection your honor, he violated his own rule and procedure.

 

[Gospel]

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