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Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

Being in poor health is on you and neither the police nor hospital is at fault when you die. Sounds about right. The hospital apparently got her in stable condition, the patient refuses to leave (or maybe couldn't?). The hospital calls the police & the police treat her like the average criminal trespasser. She dies.
 
This from someone who has objected to exactly *one* police killing. *One*.
That's false. It is certainly more than one.
If you mean the Mohammed Noor case, my objection there is the short prison sentence compared to say Chauvin. And I think his race and religion played a role given that the AG of Minnesota is a Nation of Islam sympathizer.
Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures

As to being unwilling to believe that one's favorite people have committed crimes, I've seen plenty of evidence of that in this thread, like being unwilling to believe that Derek Chauvin was guilty of murdering George Floyd.
I am not saying Chauvin did not do wrong. But he did not intend to kill anybody (unlike Noor) and it should have been manslaughter, not murder. Certainly it should not have resulted in a 25 year sentence when Noor got 5.
You have no idea what either officer intended. It is fascinating that you never trace race or religion of a white officer with the AG or DA when the officer is exonerated, but in this case you persist in tying race and religion when those involved are black.

You have no evidence that the Mn AG had any influence over any of the charges against Mr. Noor and he certainly had no influence on the Mn Supreme Court throwing out one of Mr. Noir’s convictions.
I stand by my position that Noor would not have been charged if he were white.
 
Asked about the deputies' claims that Ward was a danger, family attorney Mari Newman said the deputies were "simply making things up." She added: "The video doesn't show him doing anything except for being yanked out of the car and thrown to the ground."

Newman also noted the misleading statements made by law enforcement in the wake of the shooting. On the day of the incident, Pueblo County Sherriff David Lucero told local KKTV that Ward "jumped out of the vehicle." Bodycam video shows he was pulled out.
 
Being in poor health is on you and neither the police nor hospital is at fault when you die. Sounds about right. The hospital apparently got her in stable condition, the patient refuses to leave (or maybe couldn't?). The hospital calls the police & the police treat her like the average criminal trespasser. She dies.
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You people need a healthcare system.

You currently only have a heath system; That's missing the most important part.
 
I stand by my position that Noor would not have been charged if he were white.
BS. If Noor was white, and Damond was black, Anderson Cooper et al would not be shutting up about it for months and not only would the cop be charged, he'd likely get a sentence similar to that of Chauvin.
 
Bold and bloated emphasis is mine. Sources are required, presumptions are unacceptable.
As your emphasis makes clear, I was offering an opinion, not a statement of fact. Your own statement had no such qualifier, and thus requires sources.

Projection your honor, he violated his own rule and procedure.
Demonstrably (based on your own emphasis) not true.
 
Nah bruh. Get with the times. Can you provide a source for your definition of Woke? I can.
I did not say it was a dictionary definition.

Merriam-Webster said:
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

That is certainly what the woke want to think of themselves as being, and how they would define themselves.
I do not dispute it. I just think they are deluded, akin to Anton's Blindness, and have offered support for that.
To sum up, their wrong and racist assessment of police shooting cases like Michael Brown, Keith Lamont Scott and many others shows that they are not very "aware" of facts.

Not a book:
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I offer her as a type specimen of a "woke". Note the lack of awareness of the basic facts of the case. I am sure, however, that she thinks of herself as very "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" though.
Basically, woke are the Dunning-Kruger of social activism.

P.S.: That case, and the riots that followed in late September 2016, likely contributed to Donald Trump winning the election.
 
I stand by my position that Noor would not have been charged if he were white.
BS. If Noor was white, and Damond was black, Anderson Cooper et al would not be shutting up about it for months and not only would the cop be charged, he'd likely get a sentence similar to that of Chauvin.
If Noor had been white and Damond black, there would have been no conviction. An arrest would have happened. ONLY if there had been a huge public outcry.

If they were both white: he would have faced disciplinary action, at the most.

Based on what I’ve seen of Minnesota cases of police shooting civilians in the past
 
If Noor had been white and Damond black, there would have been no conviction. An arrest would have happened. ONLY if there had been a huge public outcry.
There likely would be riots and a conviction. Just like with Chauvin.

If they were both white: he would have faced disciplinary action, at the most.
Why do you think that?

Based on what I’ve seen of Minnesota cases of police shooting civilians in the past
What comparable cases of police shooting innocent civilians do you have for comparison? Please be specific since you alluded to alleged cases you have seen in Minnesota "in the past".
 

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Black and white Americans sell and use drugs at similar rates, but black Americans are 2.7 times as likely to be arrested for drug-related offenses.

You think a lot has changed since 2015? Stay tuned.

Nah bruh. Get with the times. Can you provide a source for your definition of Woke? I can.
I did not say it was a dictionary definition.

Merriam-Webster said:
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

That is certainly what the woke want to think of themselves as being, and how they would define themselves.
I do not dispute it. I just think they are deluded, akin to Anton's Blindness, and have offered support for that.
To sum up, their wrong and racist assessment of police shooting cases like Michael Brown, Keith Lamont Scott and many others shows that they are not very "aware" of facts.

Not a book:
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I offer her as a type specimen of a "woke". Note the lack of awareness of the basic facts of the case. I am sure, however, that she thinks of herself as very "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" though.
Basically, woke are the Dunning-Kruger of social activism.

P.S.: That case, and the riots that followed in late September 2016, likely contributed to Donald Trump winning the election.


Being aware of societal facts and issues are mutually inclusive. You can't be woke without basing your position on facts. You can't be aware of issues (of racial and social justice) without being aware of societal facts. You like many racist white people before you, appropriate terms for nefarious purposes only to have it bite you in the ass later.


Edit: I'm not calling you racist. I'm saying what you're doing is very similar to what racist people have done.
 
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If Noor had been white and Damond black, there would have been no conviction. An arrest would have happened. ONLY if there had been a huge public outcry.
There likely would be riots and a conviction. Just like with Chauvin.

If they were both white: he would have faced disciplinary action, at the most.
Why do you think that?

Based on what I’ve seen of Minnesota cases of police shooting civilians in the past
What comparable cases of police shooting innocent civilians do you have for comparison? Please be specific since you alluded to alleged cases you have seen in Minnesota "in the past".
This is a comprehensive article of police shootings of civilians in MN since 2000: https://www.startribune.com/every-police-involved-death-in-minnesota-since-2000/502088871
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Thanks for providing this. Unfortunately, there is not much more at the link that the graphs (and not even any error bars on the graph, ugh).
I have some concerns about their methodology. Data on arrests and convictions can be obtained easily enough, but drug use? And selling? Are they relying on self reporting? That makes it is less reliable than objective metrics. Many people would not be willing to admit drug use, and much less dealing, to poll takers. Would blacks be less likely to admit it than whites? I would say it is likely - distrust of authorities and all that. That alone would skew the stats. But that is the least of it. The graph just talks about "use" and "sales" as percentage of population. It does not distinguish the type of drug. It does not distinguish the frequency. Somebody who smokes a joint a couple of times a year is obviously far less likely to get busted that somebody who smokes weed every day. Rate of drug use is more complex than just having used it at some point. It would be in units like man-joints/year, man-lines/year or similar.
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I don't think it even accounts for weed being legal in some places even in 2015.

Hamilton Project said:
Black and white Americans sell and use drugs at similar rates, but black Americans are 2.7 times as likely to be arrested for drug-related offenses.
2.7x is far cry from 10x claim from before. And again, socioeconomic and behavioral factors can explain the difference. If you are using or selling in public, you have a much greater chance of getting busted. Police are also more interested in meth, heroin and fentanyl, rather than weed. So there are a lot of variables here the Hamilton Project does not even begin to address.

You think a lot has changed since 2015? Stay tuned.
Well, weed has been legalized in many places since then. That should affect the stats I would say.

Being aware of societal facts and issues are mutually inclusive.
Being concerned about issues and being actually informed about them often have a non-overlapping Vann Diagram. Vapidity of activism is a hallmark of woke. That is not restricted to one race, of course. Plenty of white wokesters out there. Neither is it restricted to one side of the political spectrum. MTG is vapid af - we do not call it woke when it's from the right, but the two phenomena are kissing cousins.
You can't be woke without basing your position on facts.
Here I have to vociferously disagree. Perhaps the issue is that you approach it by looking at some sort of a Platonic ideal of woke, while I look at actually existing woke, specifically as it emerged after the 2014 Ferguson riots (aka "uprising" as the woke call it).
You can't be aware of issues (of racial and social justice) without being aware of societal facts. You like many racist white people before you, appropriate terms for nefarious purposes only to have it bite you in the ass later.
Edit: I'm not calling you racist. I'm saying what you're doing is very similar to what racist people have done.
Thanks for the edit. I already wanted to hit that report button. :)

That white racists call out black extremism is not surprising. But a lot more people than them will and should out black extremism.
Racial extremism, nationalism, supremacism or "power" are not magically benign when they come from one race.

I am not appropriating nothing though, much less for nefarious purposes. Appropriating woke would be to try to use it to describe myself.
Instead I am describing those who have been using the term for themselves. Of course, I do not have a positive view of them, so my view of the label "woke" they use for themselves is similarly negative.
 
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This is a comprehensive article of police shootings of civilians in MN since 2000: https://www.startribune.com/every-p...lved-death-in-minnesota-since-2000/502088871/
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Never mind. I figured out the correct link. You doubled up the link for some reason when you posted it, so it didn't work.

My previous point stands. I did not want a big dump of random shootings, but some examples where you think a white officer killed an innocent civilian and wasn't prosecuted.
First 20 entries from the info dump from the link:
Star Tribune said:
  • Authorities said Xiong was armed with a bladed weapon.
  • Authorities said Alsleben was armed with a bladed weapon.
  • Authorities said Johnson was armed with a gun.
  • Authorities said Hansen was armed with a bladed weapon.
  • Hippler, 27 [...] charged an officer with an ax during a traffic stop
  • Andrew Teckle Sundberg: a neighbor called 911 to report a shot fired into her unit, where she resided with two young children.
  • Charles Bangs: [a bit confused account, unclear why the officer fired, but the incident involved meth so the shootee wasn't innocent, and he was white besides]
  • Johnson came out of his house with knives in his hands, according to authorities.
  • Werling eluded police for an hour, peppering them with intermittent gunfire and inuring an officer in the face.
  • Locke brandished a gun during the raid,
  • Fiafonou, who they say was armed with a machete [and] he threatened to hurt other people.
  • Erickson was armed and making threats
  • [Noah Kelley,] an armed carjacking suspect was fatally shot by police inside a Mounds View liquor store
  • [Troy Engstorm] raised a handgun and fired at the approaching vehicles, striking a Mounds View police officer's car
  • [Ricardo Torres], an armed person confronted an on-duty officer in an alley
  • [Winston "Boogie" Smith] "failed to comply and produced a handgun, resulting in task force members firing upon the subject,"
  • [Bradley Olsen,] an armed suspect jumped out of a moving vehicle he had stolen and ran onto a busy Burnsville highway, where he tried to steal another vehicle before police fatally shot him Sunday afternoon.
  • [Daunte Wright was shot when an officer mistook gun for taser when he fled from a traffic stop]
  • [Shannon and David Savela]: At least one of the motorists began shooting at the officers. One of the officers returned fire.

Not an innocent among them! Only one, Daunte Wright, was unarmed, and even he had warrants for weapons charges stemming from when he robbed a woman at gunpoint. And that case resulted in the officer being charged and convicted, so it does not fit any of your parameters anyway.

By the way, the justified shooting of armed fugitive Winston "Boogie" Smith precipitated deadly riots and occupation of a city block by #BLM insurrectionists.
 
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Locke indeed did brandished a gun during the raid. Locke also wasn't the target of the raid & legally possessed the gun. The purpose of a no knock raid is to give the cops the jump and catch the suspect(s) off guard. They're also supposed to avoid harming those who aren't the target of the warrant. Kicking a sofa to wake a sleeping suspect was counter productive. In fact it proved to create a dangerous situation for both the police and Locke. But lets not focus on how clumsily that officer conducted himself during the raid right? Lets put blinkers on the horse shit and be laser focused on Locke.
 
This is a comprehensive article of police shootings of civilians in MN since 2000: https://www.startribune.com/every-p...lved-death-in-minnesota-since-2000/502088871/

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In any case, I did not ask for a list dump of every police shooting in Minneapolis since 2000, vast majority of which are justified and not not involve innocent civilians. I asked for some specific cases you think illustrate your point.
My apologies. Here's the correct link

 
This is a comprehensive article of police shootings of civilians in MN since 2000: https://www.startribune.com/every-p...lved-death-in-minnesota-since-2000/502088871/
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Never mind. I figured out the correct link. You doubled up the link for some reason when you posted it, so it didn't work.

My previous point stands. I did not want a big dump of random shootings, but some examples where you think a white officer killed an innocent civilian and wasn't prosecuted.
First 20 entries from the info dump from the link:
Star Tribune said:
  • Authorities said Xiong was armed with a bladed weapon.
  • Authorities said Alsleben was armed with a bladed weapon.
  • Authorities said Johnson was armed with a gun.
  • Authorities said Hansen was armed with a bladed weapon.
  • Hippler, 27 [...] charged an officer with an ax during a traffic stop
  • Andrew Teckle Sundberg: a neighbor called 911 to report a shot fired into her unit, where she resided with two young children.
  • Charles Bangs: [a bit confused account, unclear why the officer fired, but the incident involved meth so the shootee wasn't innocent, and he was white besides]
  • Johnson came out of his house with knives in his hands, according to authorities.
  • Werling eluded police for an hour, peppering them with intermittent gunfire and inuring an officer in the face.
  • Locke brandished a gun during the raid,
  • Fiafonou, who they say was armed with a machete [and] he threatened to hurt other people.
  • Erickson was armed and making threats
  • [Noah Kelley,] an armed carjacking suspect was fatally shot by police inside a Mounds View liquor store
  • [Troy Engstorm] raised a handgun and fired at the approaching vehicles, striking a Mounds View police officer's car
  • [Ricardo Torres], an armed person confronted an on-duty officer in an alley
  • [Winston "Boogie" Smith] "failed to comply and produced a handgun, resulting in task force members firing upon the subject,"
  • [Bradley Olsen,] an armed suspect jumped out of a moving vehicle he had stolen and ran onto a busy Burnsville highway, where he tried to steal another vehicle before police fatally shot him Sunday afternoon.
  • [Daunte Wright was shot when an officer mistook gun for taser when he fled from a traffic stop]
  • [Shannon and David Savela]: At least one of the motorists began shooting at the officers. One of the officers returned fire.

Not an innocent among them! Only one, Daunte Wright, was unarmed, and even he had warrants for weapons charges stemming from when he robbed a woman at gunpoint. And that case resulted in the officer being charged and convicted, so it does not fit any of your parameters anyway.

By the way, the justified shooting of armed fugitive Winston "Boogie" Smith precipitated deadly riots and occupation of a city block by #BLM insurrectionists.
Quite a number of these cases involved victims having knives. Or 'having knives.' One is allowed to possess a knife and also to possess a firearm in Minnesota. It is also very difficult to credibly mistake a knife for a gun. Certainly not in daylight.

There were other cases than Wright's where the victim was not armed at all. In one case, the victim was profiled and bore zero resemblance to the person who had committed a robbery days prior. The victim was legally carrying a weapon and informed the police officers that he had a legal weapon and was going to show them the permit when he was killed and when his girlfriend and her minor child were very nearly killed by police.

Quite a number of these were calls to police to help find the victim who was having a mental health crisis. I happen to know a fair amount about one of these cases. Someone I know went to school and was friends with the police officer involved and knew the shooting victim. I happen to know the spot where he was killed. In broad daylight. I also read the news accounts contemporaneously. The shooting happened in broad daylight where the victim, whose parents were worried about him and had called the police out of concern for their son. There is no credible way that the victim was a threat to anyone. The knife was very small, and legal--a pocket knife. He was too far from any police officer to have been able to throw the knife and hurt anyone, even if he had been a skilled circus performer. The police made a terrible error but there were no charges filed against the officer.
 
Locke indeed did brandished a gun during the raid. Locke also wasn't the target of the raid & legally possessed the gun. The purpose of a no knock raid is to give the cops the jump and catch the suspect(s) off guard. They're also supposed to avoid harming those who aren't the target of the warrant. Kicking a sofa to wake a sleeping suspect was counter productive. In fact it proved to create a dangerous situation for both the police and Locke. But lets not focus on how clumsily that officer conducted himself during the raid right? Lets put blinkers on the horse shit and be laser focused on Locke.
If the cops are justified in shooting you dead because you were armed, then you do NOT have the right to bear arms, no matter what the constitution or the courts might say.

Anyone who has ever tried to justify a police shooting, by saying that the victim was armed (with a gun, or a knife, or anything else) should be themselves prohibited from owning any kind of weapon (or anything that could plausibly be employed as a weapon).

Due to those commentators not being hypocritical tossers, not one word of complaint nor objection to such a regulation would result.
 
It's sickening to be honest. It's as if some people believe that it's ok to violate everyone's rights except theirs, without considering that the tyrants will come for theirs next.
 
Locke indeed did brandished a gun during the raid. Locke also wasn't the target of the raid & legally possessed the gun.
Neither makes pulling a gun on police conducting a raid a good idea.
The purpose of a no knock raid is to give the cops the jump and catch the suspect(s) off guard. They're also supposed to avoid harming those who aren't the target of the warrant. Kicking a sofa to wake a sleeping suspect was counter productive. In fact it proved to create a dangerous situation for both the police and Locke. But lets not focus on how clumsily that officer conducted himself during the raid right? Lets put blinkers on the horse shit and be laser focused on Locke.
Well, he is the one who grabbed the gun without even being fully awake. That's on him.
But I would say his murderous cousin has the biggest share of the blame here, at least morally speaking.

That said, Locke is not really the issue here. The reason I posted this list is because Toni claimed that if Noor were white, he would not have been prosecuted. She claimed there were cases in Minneapolis that fit that, but only posted a link to a dump of all police shootings. I am still waiting for her to provide a few cases that she thinks fit her claim.
 
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