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Police shooting in Atlanta aka "Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-through"

Developments from the actual case:

Rayshard's girlfriend (aka "side piece") Natalie White was finally arrested.

Some family man. Spent time in prison for domestic violence. Cheating on his wife with the Wendy's arsonist. Driving drunk and then passing out in a Wendy's drive through.
Nothing but a two bit fuckboy player. But women for some reason love those bad boys even if they are shrimpy 5'7" :(
Why anyone would think any of this is relevant to this tragedy is truly "fascinating".

It is relevant. It's just not central.
It is no more relevant to the tragedy than Mr. Brooks' shoe size. There is no reason to bring it up except to demean the victim. It is a morally disgusting behavior.
I agree derec has a point about the way the victims and perps are often or usually presented to us as cartoon goodies (black victims) versus baddies (police). I also agree with him that Brooks' actions were partly to blame for him being shot.
There is a difference between "blame" and "explain" .
 
There is a difference between "blame" and "explain" .

There is. I chose blame because imo Brooks' actions were partly to blame. I don't say that with any relish. It was a tragedy, and guns are, imo, used too often, including by police. But I think it just does not hold water to say that Brooks' actions were not partly to blame.

Your perspective is imo consistently as skewed as derec's tends to be, just in the opposite direction. One of you is as bad as the other!
 
There is a difference between "blame" and "explain" .

There is. I chose blame because imo Brooks' actions were partly to blame. I don't say that with any relish. It was a tragedy, and guns are, imo, used too often, including by police. But I think it just does not hold water to say that Brooks' actions were not partly to blame.
While we may never know why Mr. Rolfe made the choice he did, Mr. Brooks' action may help explain why Mr. Rolfe CHOOSE to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. In the end, Mr. Rolfe choose to use lethal force in a non-threatening situation, and Mr. Rolfe and only Mr. Rolfe is responsible for his choices and actions. Using the term "blame" allows people to absolve Mr. Rolfe of his responsibilities either partially or fully.
 
Developments from the actual case:

Rayshard's girlfriend (aka "side piece") Natalie White was finally arrested.

Some family man. Spent time in prison for domestic violence. Cheating on his wife with the Wendy's arsonist. Driving drunk and then passing out in a Wendy's drive through.
Nothing but a two bit fuckboy player. But women for some reason love those bad boys even if they are shrimpy 5'7" :(

Demonize and dehumanize the victim so you can pretend the police did society a service by putting down a rabid animal. That is what you are saying here.
 
There is a difference between "blame" and "explain" .

There is. I chose blame because imo Brooks' actions were partly to blame. I don't say that with any relish. It was a tragedy, and guns are, imo, used too often, including by police. But I think it just does not hold water to say that Brooks' actions were not partly to blame.
While we may never know why Mr. Rolfe made the choice he did, Mr. Brooks' action may help explain why Mr. Rolfe CHOOSE to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. In the end, Mr. Rolfe choose to use lethal force in a non-threatening situation, and Mr. Rolfe and only Mr. Rolfe is responsible for his choices and actions. Using the term "blame" allows people to absolve Mr. Rolfe of his responsibilities either partially or fully.

Non-threatening situation my arse.

Also, saying Brooks’ actions were partly to blame does not of itself absolve Rolfe. It’s just part of the mix of factors that have to be taken into consideration, and should be, when making any fair and objective assessment.

Which is the sort of thing you seem incapable of, quite a lot of the time, imo.
 
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While we may never know why Mr. Rolfe made the choice he did, Mr. Brooks' action may help explain why Mr. Rolfe CHOOSE to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. In the end, Mr. Rolfe choose to use lethal force in a non-threatening situation, and Mr. Rolfe and only Mr. Rolfe is responsible for his choices and actions. Using the term "blame" allows people to absolve Mr. Rolfe of his responsibilities either partially or fully.

Non-threatening situation my arse.
In what part of the world is running away a threatening situation? Mr. Rolfe was not in lethal danger. He choose to act as if he was.


Also, saying Brooks’ actions were partly to blame does not of itself absolve Rolfe.
I think a fair and objective reading indicates I did not say it did.
It’s just part of the mix of factors that have to be taken into consideration, and should be, when making any fair and objective assessment.
So how does Mr. Brooks shoe size fit in to this fair and objective assessment?
Which is the sort of thing you seem incapable of, quite a lot of the time, imo.
I did not realize that there could only be one "fair and objective assessment" for any situation - thanks for the education.
 
Demonize and dehumanize the victim so you can pretend the police did society a service by putting down a rabid animal. That is what you are saying here.

No, I was just offering a reality check after all the praise St. Rayshard received at that farce of a funeral.
 
While we may never know why Mr. Rolfe made the choice he did, Mr. Brooks' action may help explain why Mr. Rolfe CHOOSE to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. In the end, Mr. Rolfe choose to use lethal force in a non-threatening situation,
Bullshit! Brooks punched a police officer, stole a taser and then deployed said taser at a police officer. This is per se threatening.

and Mr. Rolfe and only Mr. Rolfe is responsible for his choices and actions.
Brooks is solely responsible for escalating the situation. What should have been a routine DUI arrest became a violent encounter due solely to choices Brooks made.

Using the term "blame" allows people to absolve Mr. Rolfe of his responsibilities either partially or fully.
I do not think Rolfe is guilty of murder, and yes, actions of the shotee can mitigate or even absolve the shooter of guilt.
This whole thing has become highly political and has nothing to do with justice.
 
I disagree with that, but I definitely think integration was pursued in a completely wrong way. It was asymmetric, with black people treated differently.
You can't achieve true racial equality and harmony if you insist that one group should be measured with a different standard for college/grad/professional school admissions (aka so-called "affirmative action"). You also cannot have true racial equality and harmony if you fault white people for every perceived "microaggression" while letting real and overt racism by black people slide and even go as far as to claim that "black people can't be racist".
The mess we are in can be attributed directly to the wrong choices our society made in the 60s and 70s.

There is just so much that is fundamentally and demonstrably wrong with what you are saying there.

Like what? Are you disagreeing that blacks receive preferential treatment in college/grad/professional school admissions? Are you disagreeing that there is a double standard when it comes to calling beaviior or white people and black people racist? Are you disagreeing that there is a double standard on many other issues such as "cultural appropriation"?
Lastly, do you disagree that we are, in 2020, way behind on racial relations compared to where we could have been and really should be?

Please don't just claim I am wrong. Go into detail and offer receipts as the kids would say.
 
Why anyone would think any of this is relevant to this tragedy is truly "fascinating".
I was mostly just venting over the poor taste in men so many women have. But actually there is a relevance (see below).

Do you need someone to move this post to the Derec Can't Get Women thread in Elsewhere?
I don't think it should be moved. I think it has relevance. Let me try to elaborate.

Women like bad boys like Rayshard Brooks. Went to prison for DV, on probation, driving drunk, fighting with police (apparently he resisted arrest in 2014 as well and had to be tased).

Such behavior acting as a proverbial pussy magnet (and panty dropper) acts as positive reinforcement for this kind of antisocial behavior. Which means you get more of it.
 
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Demonize and dehumanize the victim so you can pretend the police did society a service by putting down a rabid animal. That is what you are saying here.

No, I was just offering a reality check after all the praise St. Rayshard received at that farce of a funeral.

You continue to heap your derision on a dead person you never knew, condemning him as a criminal and unworthy of the love and respect of his loved ones. While in another thread you have been telling us that the pandemic has put a temporary stop to your criminal behavior of soliciting prostitutes. The hypocrisy of your position is amazing.

Mr Brooks's past criminal record is irrelevant to his killing at the hands of a cop with poor impulse control and apparent anger-management issues. But even that officer (Devin Bronsan) expressed regret at the outcome of the encounter:

"At the end of the day, someone lost their life. To me, it's heartbreaking no matter the circumstances, no matter what," Brosnan, 26, said. "When anybody dies truly is something you never want to see happen, to have happen. I can't imagine what a family would go through."

But here you are, shitting all over the dead victim's grave, again, calling his funeral a farce, mocking the grief of the family and the community of which he was a part. What kind of asshole behaves like this? And why do we have to tolerate this unending stream of bigotry on this forum?
 
Why anyone would think any of this is relevant to this tragedy is truly "fascinating".
I was mostly just venting over the poor taste in men so many women have. But actually there is a relevance (see below).

Do you need someone to move this post to the Derec Can't Get Women thread in Elsewhere?
I don't think it should be moved. I think it has relevance. Let me try to elaborate.

Women like bad boys like Rayshard Brooks. Went to prison for DV, on probation, driving drunk, fighting with police (apparently he resisted arrest in 2014 as well and had to be tased).

Such behavior acting as a proverbial pussy magnet (and panty dropper) acts as positive reinforcement for this kind of antisocial behavior. Which means you get more of it.
And this relevant to the tragedy because....?
 
Bullshit! Brooks punched a police officer, stole a taser and then deployed said taser at a police officer. This is per se threatening.
He was shot in the back while running away, so he was not threatening at the time.

Brooks is solely responsible for escalating the situation. What should have been a routine DUI arrest became a violent encounter due solely to choices Brooks made.
That is factually and logically invalid. Nothing and no one forced Mr. Rolfe to shoot Mr. Brooks.
 
UAAZ (University Avenue Autonomous Zone) and other developments

Rayshard Brooks' side piece posted bail:
BREAKING: Suspect in fire at Atlanta Wendy’s posts $10K bond
Is it just me or is $10k awfully little money for a 1st degree arson charge?
AJC said:
“She did know him,” [White's lawyer Drew] Findling told The AJC. “They did have a close relationship.”

Findley asked that White receive a signature bond, but Magistrate Judge Todd Ashley denied the request. Ashley said he was concerned White was a danger to the community.
Signature bond for arson? Where does Findling think he is? New York?

The area around the burned down Wendy's has been taken over by a bunch of armed black supremacists.
OPINION: Went to the torched Atlanta Wendy’s and got guns with that
AJC said:
“Don’t make any sudden moves, or you will get shot.
The warning was matter-of-fact, almost indifferent, and issued by an armed young Black man perhaps not yet out of his teens. The warning was given to me and Steve Visser, a former Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter who accompanied me to the Wendy’s where Rayshard Brooks was killed by a cop this month.
[...]
Welcome to Mad Max in The ATL, a bizarre scene with a post-apocalyptic feel. It’s a space where gun-toting dudes stand sentry to barren territory, where they serve as a ragtag Checkpoint Charlie, stopping bemused and sometimes alarmed motorists.
[...]
Since late last week, University Avenue near Pryor Street has become a place where the law won’t go. Or at least where police have employed a hands-off strategy so as not to fan the flames of rage and contempt that stews in the streets.
BIG mistake!

The Wendy’s became ground zero for protests until it got dangerous last Friday night. A widely viewed video shows several gun-toting fellows strolling down the street as an admirer films them, gushing, “Man, I wish I could hold me a pistol. That’s the @#&$!”
Dude, guns are not that difficult to get in this country. In fact, they are super easy to get.

Almost on cue, gunshots — lots of them — break out. People scatter, although some not as urgently as you might think. A 24-year-old woman is hit in the leg.Someone says the shooter was white. There have been rumors white supremacists have been itching to target the area. In fact, it’s like some want it to be the KKK. It fits the narrative.“It’s a Black guy,” the injured woman responds as she calmly attends to her own wound.
I guess the black supremacists running the UAAZ were just projecting.
Minutes later cops arrive and one is shoved away — forcefully — by a man in a Black Lives Matter shirt. Soon, two white cops are shouted back into their cars by a menacing crowd. The cops realize discretion is the better part of valor. They skedaddle.
Mayor Bottoms is in the end responsible for this. She should have shown more strength during the Floyd riots.
The next day, a couple in a car driving on University “were forced to stop by what was described as a mob,” a police report states. Several in the so-called mob are armed. Someone reaches in, slaps the driver. Someone throws a rock through the window. The driver gets slightly injured.Hours later, a man gets shot in the leg. Also in the area that night, my old AJC buddy George Chidi, who is an activist and a journalist, got punched out and sent to Grady Memorial Hospital by a group of men.
That's what city life without police is like. Inmates are running the asylum.
We were approached by a massive guy with what resembled a TEC-9 semi-automatic pistol dangling from his chest. We were then directed over to someone who might be described as their spokesman. He said they were part of a peace initiative. Or something. I can’t recall exactly what he said because I was warned not to take notes, shoot videos or make sudden movements. We could get shot.
War is peace | freedom is slavery | ignorance is strength
I was told they were protecting the community from “your kind,” and they didn’t mean nosy reporter types. The youth assigned to me — he went by “Fast Lane” — couldn’t have been 17 and carried what appeared to be his grandfather’s single-barrelled shotgun.
Overtly racist, and yet they get labeled as "anti-racist" by the media simply because of the color of their skin. Because black people can't be racist, or something.
Later, the centurions ambled out onto University Avenue and blocked the fairly busy thoroughfare with an old car on one side of the road and some junk on the other. A young fellow with his shotgun pointed skyward stopped cars, glanced inside, and then determined who could continue or not. Black motorists went through. White drivers had to U-turn.
More racism and lawlessness on display. "City too busy to hate"? Nobody told these dipshits!
During my 90 minutes there Sunday, I saw two police cars approach this insanity but slowly drive away. The department’s standing in some quarters is in the toilet, so the force decided to let this hornets’ nest remain unmolested.On Monday, the Atlanta City Council held its public safety meeting, and Councilwoman Joyce Sheperd, who heads that committee and represents that district, said she’s been fielding calls from residents asking, “My God, what is happening?”
Dereliction of duty by the mayor and the interim ATLPD chief.

But, eventually they got their heads out of their asses. Slow, but still faster than Mayor Jenny dismantling CHAZ/CHOP2.
Armed protesters ‘removed’ from Wendy’s where Rayshard Brooks was killed
AJC said:
A group of armed protesters who had occupied the Wendy’s where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed have been removed from the area, according to Channel 2 Action News.
Atlanta police on Wednesday removed protesters who had been seen carrying long guns and blocking the area surrounding the University Avenue restaurant, Channel 2 reported.
No details about the removal were released. AJC.com has reached out to police for more specifics.
No word of any arrests. There should have been arrests.
It is not clear if the protesters plan to return to the Wendy’s at some point.
Pretty ridiculous to call these people "protesters".
 
You continue to heap your derision on a dead person you never knew, condemning him as a criminal and unworthy of the love and respect of his loved ones.
Unworthy of all the veneration by the politicians and media for sure.
While in another thread you have been telling us that the pandemic has put a temporary stop to your criminal behavior of soliciting prostitutes. The hypocrisy of your position is amazing.
There is a big difference between domestic violence, drunk driving, assault on police officers etc. is categorically different than something that should not be illegal in the first place.

Mr Brooks's past criminal record is irrelevant to his killing at the hands of a cop with poor impulse control and apparent anger-management issues.
It is very relevant. He was on probation and he didn't want to go back to prison, as DUI would surely have violated his probation.
His criminal behavior wasn't even past. He drove drunk that day and he attacked police officer (a felony in itself) seconds before he was shot.

But even that officer (Devin Bronsan) expressed regret at the outcome of the encounter:
Brooks having gotten arrested would surely have been a much better outcome for everybody. Except probably Brooks' wife and children who now got a new car and college education paid for and will likely get many millions of dollars courtesy of Mayor Bottoms and the Atlanta City Council.
But I digress. One can certainly express regret at the outcome while still recognizing that the outcome was effected largely by Brooks' own action. Had he not attacked police he would be fine. Back in prison probably, but fine.

And why do we have to tolerate this unending stream of bigotry on this forum?
It's not bigotry. If the media and politicians behaved the same over a white drunk driver who attacked police officers I'd have written the same things.
 
Your fantasy hypotheticals do not make it relevant.
It's not fantasy. Positive reinforcement is a real psychological concept. If you reinforce a behavior through rewards (such as more opportunities for sex with more partners like Natalie), you get more of reinforced behavior.
 
Your fantasy hypotheticals do not make it relevant.
It's not fantasy. Positive reinforcement is a real psychological concept. If you reinforce a behavior through rewards (such as more opportunities for sex with more partners like Natalie), you get more of reinforced behavior.
It did not happen. It is a fantasy which means it is not relevant to what actually happened.

You can opine about what might happened if someone had a different history, but that does not make that fantasy relevant. And, of course, it is telling (but not interesting) that you only fantasize about the possibility of change on the part of the victim, not the actual killer.
 
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