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Police shooting in Atlanta aka "Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-through"

If Mr. Rolfe took the time to assess whether his fellow officer had a concussion, Mr. Brooks would have successively fled and none of this would have happened.
Are you suggesting police officers should just let violent felons go?

Arguing that Mr. Rolfe was shooting a firearm in "self defense" of a taser shot is ridiculous. Lethal force ought to used only against lethal threats.
I already posted a link to another recent police shooting in Georgia where the perp took the officer's taser and tried to use it against him. The cop was exonerated. But in that case the perp was white, so it's all good, right?
 
I already posted a link to another recent police shooting in Georgia where the perp took the officer's taser and tried to use it against him. The cop was exonerated. But in that case the perp was white, so it's all good, right?


No Derec. You just illuminated two cases of cops behaving counter to their charter of protect and serve. All the more reason to take back 'communication' tasks from police with respect to law enforcement. Cops should only act IAW their weapon possession when they have specific court order to do so for a specific violent act.

Bring back the bobby with the whistle.
 
The taser had already been used twice, so it wasn't possible to harm the police.
Are you sure that particular taser was shot before? I know Paul Howard claimed it, but he also claimed tasers were lethal weapons one day and then claimed they were non-lethal a few days later, so we know he is a liar. In any case, Brooks managed to turn around and shoot the taser only a few seconds before he was shot himself. Human beings have a finite reaction time. Most likely Rolfe made the decision to shoot once Brooks turned around to shoot.

The Atlanta police should also know that it's against policy to shoot or tase a suspect who is running away.
Even if it were part of policy, the perp (Brooks) was turning around and shooting the taser.

And, Brooks wasn't even suspected of a serious crime.
They just witnessed him committing aggravated assault against themselves.

He simply fell asleep in his car and had a blood alcohol level that was barely about the legal limit.
0.108% is not "barely about[sic] the legal limit". In any case, Brooks talked with police officers for 40 minutes, and drove to the drive though some time before then. So his BAC was even higher then.
But I guess drunk driving is ok when you are black, right?

He resisted arrest? He wasn't even told that he was under arrest. The two cops were obviously unfit to serve as police.
Yes they did tell him. And he not just resisted arrest, he punched a police officer and stole the taser, which he then discharged.

The cops illegally shot him in the back as he was running away out of fear.
I disagree that the shooting was illegal.


The cops violated several rules, including kicking and stepping on. him after he was shot and not offering first aide immediately.
If they kicked him that's obviously wrong, but it's not murder. However, I would not trust Paul Howard's interpretation of the grainy video any more than on anything else he says.

It doesn't matter that Brooks had a criminal record. He had already served his time.
Not entirely, as part of his sentence was probation. That is part of the "time" he has to "serve", even if it's not in physical custody.

He wasn't dangerous.
He obviously was. He punched a cop, stole a taser and then discharged it. How is that not dangerous? And obviously, being in control of a 3000 lbs heavy machine while being so drunk you keep passing out is dangerous per se.

The criminals here are the cops. I honestly don't understand why that's so hard to understand.
Even if they are, that does not mean Brooks wasn't as well.

And, unlike Mr. Brooks, who was killed without the benefit of a trial, the two criminal cops will get their day in court.
I doubt they will be able to get a fair trial in Atlanta.

This is just one of several recent cases where the police were acting more like criminals than the suspects. This shit is happening far too often and finally it's being brought to light, which is causing the majority of Americans to want some drastic changes and accountability when the police act illegally.
Brooks escalated the situation because he did not want to go back to prison, as he certainly would have due to the probation violation. He initiated violence against police. What are police supposed to do? Meekly let Brooks hit them and shoot a taser at them?
Had Brooks not initiated violence, he'd have been fine.
 
No Derec. You just illuminated two cases of cops behaving counter to their charter of protect and serve.
"Protect" also includes protecting themselves and their colleagues when attacked by perps.

All the more reason to take back 'communication' tasks from police with respect to law enforcement. Cops should only act IAW their weapon possession when they have specific court order to do so for a specific violent act.
Completely unrealistic, if I am even understanding your disjointed rambling correctly.

Bring back the bobby with the whistle.
Doesn't work when large percentage of people, and specifically of criminals, are armed.
 
Since when is "a finite reaction time" a defense?
Since always.

The default action in this case is to not shoot. If there isn't enough time to make a proper judgment, then you err on the side of not taking the shot.
In a real time situation of a perp aiming a weapon at you you have to act quickly. And if the situation changes, the finite reaction time of the police officer must be taken into account.
 
But in that case the perp was white, so it's all good, right?

The cop was white?

Hispanic, judging from his name (Eduardo Guerrero). So not considered white in this case, but he would have been white if the perp had been black.
The perp who attacked the police officer and took his taser was white though.

Hispanic could be white or not, Native American, Asian, African American, or some combination of ethnic backgrounds. This just shows how race is a social construct.

Anyhoo, police who do illegal things are perps. If part of their illegal actions are violent, then they are violent perps.
 
Hispanic could be white or not, Native American, Asian, African American, or some combination of ethnic backgrounds. This just shows how race is a social construct.

I know, but in US system, Hispanics are considered non-white (even if they are so white they are almost translucent) and given non-white privileges like so-called "affirmative action".

Similar to how white Muslims are considered "brown" by some simply for being Muslim.
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Yes, yes, you most definitely do. Why do you ask?

Anyhoo, police who do illegal things are perps. If part of their illegal actions are violent, then they are violent perps.
Defending yourself against attack by a violent perp is not illegal. Note that the cop in the Dalton, GA case was exonerated. Rolfe would have been exonerated to if not for racial politics.
 
If Mr. Rolfe took the time to assess whether his fellow officer had a concussion, Mr. Brooks would have successively fled and none of this would have happened.
Are you suggesting police officers should just let violent felons go?
I pointed out that Mr Rolfe could not have know his fellow officer had a concussion in finite time unless he had taken the time to make the assessment. Which would have meant he would not have had time to shoot at Mt Brooks.

Derec said:
I already posted a link to another recent police shooting in Georgia where the perp took the officer's taser and tried to use it against him. The cop was exonerated. But in that case the perp was white, so it's all good, right?
In that case the susoect was actively fighting the officer, not fleeing, survived, and the officer did not hit miss his target. So your bigoted whataboutism failed.
 
I pointed out that Mr Rolfe could not have know his fellow officer had a concussion in finite time unless he had taken the time to make the assessment. Which would have meant he would not have had time to shoot at Mt Brooks.
What does that have to do with anything? He saw him strike him, he knew he was violent and in possession of a taser, no medical diagnosis is needed to justify shooting Brooks once he turned around to shoot the taser.

In that case the susoect was actively fighting the officer, not fleeing, survived, and the officer did not hit miss his target. So your bigoted whataboutism failed.
It's not bigoted. No two cases will be exactly alike, but people on here were saying that tasers being "non-lethal" means that police officers are not allowed to use deadly force when attacked with a taser. The Dalton case disproves that.
 
Both atrib and the Hound ignore the fact that Brooks was turned around, shooting the taser at Rolfe, and that human beings have a finite reaction time. it's not like there was a significant time between Brooks turning around and shooting the taser and Rolfe shooting him in self defense. Remember, he just witnessed Brooks giving the other officer a concussion.
If Mr. Rolfe took the time to assess whether his fellow officer had a concussion, Mr. Brooks would have successively fled and none of this would have happened.

Arguing that Mr. Rolfe was shooting a firearm in "self defense" of a taser shot is ridiculous. Lethal force ought to used only against lethal threats.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Of course you would respond with an insinuation of violence against a spouse, because you cannot actually come up with a relevant rebuttal.
 
What does that have to do with anything?
You wrote "Remember, he just witnessed Brooks giving the other officer a concussion." not me.
He saw him strike him, he knew he was violent and in possession of a taser, no medical diagnosis is needed to justify shooting Brooks once he turned around to shoot the taser.
Lethal force should be used against lethal threats. Mr Brooks was not a lethal threat, unless you think black man means lethal threat.

It's not bigoted. ...
Of course it was. You explicitly brought it up with "it was alright because he was white" bullshit.

No two cases will be exactly alike, but people on here were saying that tasers being "non-lethal" means that police officers are not allowed to use deadly force when attacked with a taser. The Dalton case disproves that.
No, that case does not disprove it. First, the suspect was not fleeing in that case, but actively fighting. Second, the suspect was not killed.
 
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Of course you would respond with an insinuation of violence against a spouse, because you cannot actually come up with a relevant rebuttal.

You perfectly well know that I was saying it was a loaded question, I wasn't actually saying you're an abuser.
 
You wrote "Remember, he just witnessed Brooks giving the other officer a concussion." not me.
Lethal force should be used against lethal threats. Mr Brooks was not a lethal threat, unless you think black man means lethal threat.

I think a fleeing criminal pointing a weapon at an officer is a potentially lethal threat.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
You perfectly well know that I was saying it was a loaded question, I wasn't actually saying you're an abuser.
I know perfectly well there are a variety of civil ways to make your stupid point and you chose one involving spousal abuse.
 
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