Police shooting in Atlanta aka "Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-through"

[laughing dog]

Wow, you and Trausti just love to blame BLM for everything. That is a dumb thing to write, even for you and Trausti. Since PEOPLE PROTESTING are being shot, you might as well blame police. Because. Occam's Razor.

The #BLM protesters at the Wendy's weren't shot, they were the ones who shot up the car with the 8 year old as the car tried to drive around the barricades.

I have seen no stories indicting that the shooters in this case were #BLM protesters. Where did you get that fact?

 

[zorq]

A stereotypical racist, despite having no apparent motive, context or evidence of any sort might assume that any given murder was committed by the race of people they look down on.

A racist might. I do not, since I am not racist. There is plenty of evidence that the group of protesters who shot up the car are the same #BLM protesters who were occupying that area on and off since Rayshawn Brooks died.

Actually there is no indication that the shooters were BLM protesters except that there have been BLM protesters in that area recently. That's exactly the conclusion a racist would jump to. We don't know who the shooters are. The identity and motives of these suspects is completely unknown to the public right now. If you know who the shooters are you should go collect your $10,000 and help solve this mystery.

 

[J842P]

A stereotypical racist, despite having no apparent motive, context or evidence of any sort might assume that any given murder was committed by the race of people they look down on.

A racist might. I do not, since I am not racist. There is plenty of evidence that the group of protesters who shot up the car are the same #BLM protesters who were occupying that area on and off since Rayshawn Brooks died.

Actually there is no indication that the shooters were BLM protesters except that there have been BLM protesters in that area recently. That's exactly the conclusion a racist would jump to. We don't know who the shooters are. The identity and motives of these suspects is completely unknown to the public right now. If you know who the shooters are you should go collect your $10,000 and help solve this mystery.

Um, there have been armed BLM protestors who have been enforcing a barricade. It's not exactly a crazy inference that those are the people who are responsible for the shooting of a woman trying to drive through the barricade. Of course, we won't know for sure either way until at least some investigation ends. But stop pretending like it is some outrageous inference.

 

[zorq]

Actually there is no indication that the shooters were BLM protesters except that there have been BLM protesters in that area recently. That's exactly the conclusion a racist would jump to. We don't know who the shooters are. The identity and motives of these suspects is completely unknown to the public right now. If you know who the shooters are you should go collect your $10,000 and help solve this mystery.

Um, there have been armed BLM protestors who have been enforcing a barricade. It's not exactly a crazy inference that those are the people who are responsible for the shooting of a woman trying to drive through the barricade. Of course, we won't know for sure either way until at least some investigation ends. But stop pretending like it is some outrageous inference.

Yeah. Guess what? There have also been ARMED police officers patroling in the area. The same area where a police officer recently fatally shot a civilian in the back. Should I use that info to conclude that the police killed this girl too? Or would that be jumping to conclusions?

 

[laughing dog]

Actually there is no indication that the shooters were BLM protesters except that there have been BLM protesters in that area recently. That's exactly the conclusion a racist would jump to. We don't know who the shooters are. The identity and motives of these suspects is completely unknown to the public right now. If you know who the shooters are you should go collect your $10,000 and help solve this mystery.

Um, there have been armed BLM protestors who have been enforcing a barricade. It's not exactly a crazy inference that those are the people who are responsible for the shooting of a woman trying to drive through the barricade. Of course, we won't know for sure either way until at least some investigation ends. But stop pretending like it is some outrageous inference.

Words have meaning. There is a big difference between "it is likely that the shooters were #BLM since armed BLM protesters are in the general area" and "It was #BLM protesters". Given that in other protests, there have been violence attributed to BLM protesters that was not actually perpetrated by BLM protesters, it is a bit of leap to definitely assert it WAS ______ (pick the group) without more evidence.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Actually there is no indication that the shooters were BLM protesters except that there have been BLM protesters in that area recently. That's exactly the conclusion a racist would jump to. We don't know who the shooters are. The identity and motives of these suspects is completely unknown to the public right now. If you know who the shooters are you should go collect your $10,000 and help solve this mystery.

Um, there have been armed BLM protestors who have been enforcing a barricade. It's not exactly a crazy inference that those are the people who are responsible for the shooting of a woman trying to drive through the barricade. Of course, we won't know for sure either way until at least some investigation ends. But stop pretending like it is some outrageous inference.

I am not getting why you think BLM protesters are conclusively and only BLM protesters (no one else) are shooting BLM protesters. I mean, we know of some examples of non-BLM protesters shooting at BLM protesters like police, right-wingers, conservolibertarians...so does Occam's Razor really tell you it's BLM protesters doing it like what Derec claimed and I argued against as a proof by O.R.? Can you show the steps of this reasoned argument using O.R. and the examples of police and other unknown entities shooting up protesters in such reasoned argument?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

But for BLM, the girl would still be alive. Along with thousands of other blacks who seemingly get killed after BLM mobilizes.

When BLM protesters are being shot, it doesn't mean that the shooters are BLM OR that BLM was at fault.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

ON SATURDAY NIGHT, barricades blocked the street on one side of the charred ruins of the Wendy’s drive-thru where an Atlanta police officer killed Rayshard Brooks a week ago, on June 12. Cars cordoned off the other side. There, a Black man with an AR-15 was standing guard, stopping white people from entering the site.

What began last week as a vigil for Brooks had transformed into something more militant. Amid the selfie-taking teenagers and people hawking Black Lives Matter T-shirts at the crowded convenience store nearby, a band of armed young Black men milled about. They bore pistols and long guns, with gaudy accessories redolent of modern militia equipage: an extended pistol magazine here, a cheap scope there.

Police slowly rolled by the corner of Pryor Street and University Drive every five or 10 minutes, warily observing. The cops, many of whom have been calling in sick, are effectively on strike.

“We are being killed, and nothing is being done about it. When a person is shooting at you, that’s a declaration of war,” the man with the rifle said. “We shouldn’t have to do this.” He would not give his name.

People are shooting at them — likely white counterprotesters, shooting from their cars. And they’re shooting back. If activists allow such militance to continue, it will likely drive the broader public into a call for police intervention and discredit the movement toward systemic reform.

The previous afternoon, protesters in tech-heavy midtown Atlanta had shut down a traffic intersection when a white guy with a “Back the Blue” license plate took issue. After retrieving an AR-15 from his trunk, Alexander Fawaz barreled through a protester blocking his way. A video shows demonstrators drawing their guns and shooting at him as he drives away. Police said that Fawaz told them he feared for his life. Police did not even cite the driver. One protester was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

Later that day, a 24-year-old woman was shot in the leg on the street outside the crowded vigil. She appears to have been caught in crossfire. No suspect was identified. People aren’t talking to the police.

Then, earlier Saturday night a second person got shot in a drive-by there. The 35-year-old male victim was also shot in the leg.

The man with the rifle guarding the barricade said he had seen that latest shooting, just hours before. He’s a network engineer who claimed no law enforcement or military experience. The victim had been a regular at the protest, and the shooter was a white man driving a silver Dodge SRT Challenger, he said.

“The police were here when the guy got shot,” he told me. “They saw the guy get shot. They saw the car that was shooting at us, and they didn’t pursue him. … This is in the midst of a felony. Someone got shot, you know what I’m saying, and they come and say ‘Is everybody OK?’ and no, motherfucker, that guy shot at us. So, I went home and got my rifle.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/24/rayshard-brooks-armed-atlanta-protesters/

In the intetest of full disclosure and being balanced, I watched the video of the young lady mentioned above getting shot in the leg. Some few members of ppl roaming streets were armed. It's chaotic and anarchy. Libertarians and Tea Partiers should support this militia and small government. Anyway, the young lady got shot and thought it could have been a black guy who did it. In watching the video, it was so chaotic I am not sure how she could tell. Other witnesses said a white couple fleeing in a car was shooting and that was the source. Same thing...maybe they also were not sure.

 

[Trausti]

But for BLM, the girl would still be alive. Along with thousands of other blacks who seemingly get killed after BLM mobilizes.

When BLM protesters are being shot, it doesn't mean that the shooters are BLM OR that BLM was at fault.

Shootings, homicide, and other crime follow BLM. NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. are seeing spikes reminiscent of post-Ferguson. And that’s BLM in a nutshell. A group of people obsessed with non-existent risks who create actual risks for millions of innocent people.

 

[laughing dog]

But for BLM, the girl would still be alive. Along with thousands of other blacks who seemingly get killed after BLM mobilizes.

When BLM protesters are being shot, it doesn't mean that the shooters are BLM OR that BLM was at fault.

Shootings, homicide, and other crime follow BLM.

Shootings, homicide, and other crime follow the police. Concluding the police are the cause of those crimes would be an example of committing the logical error of confusing correlation with causation.

NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. are seeing spikes reminiscent of post-Ferguson. And that’s BLM in a nutshell. A group of people obsessed with non-existent risks who create actual risks for millions of innocent people.

Why don't we ask George Floyd or Tamir Rice about those non-existent risks? Oh, yeah, I forgot - they are dead due to the actions of the police.

 

[Trausti]

Shootings, homicide, and other crime follow BLM.

Shootings, homicide, and other crime follow the police. Concluding the police are the cause of those crimes would be an example of committing the logical error of confusing correlation with causation.

NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. are seeing spikes reminiscent of post-Ferguson. And that’s BLM in a nutshell. A group of people obsessed with non-existent risks who create actual risks for millions of innocent people.

Why don't we ask George Floyd or Tamir Rice about those non-existent risks? Oh, yeah, I forgot - they are dead due to the actions of the police.

Oh, dear. Melting in the summer heat? Deny the crime spike if you choose, but the black bodies pile up all the same.

 

[laughing dog]

Shootings, homicide, and other crime follow the police. Concluding the police are the cause of those crimes would be an example of committing the logical error of confusing correlation with causation.
Why don't we ask George Floyd or Tamir Rice about those non-existent risks? Oh, yeah, I forgot - they are dead due to the actions of the police.

Oh, dear. Melting in the summer heat?

An unoriginal projection.

Deny the crime spike if you choose, but the black bodies pile up all the same.

No one denied any crime spike. Just pointed out that your conclusion was driven by bigotry and faulty reasoning.

 

[Trausti]

An unoriginal projection.

Deny the crime spike if you choose, but the black bodies pile up all the same.

No one denied any crime spike. Just pointed out that your conclusion was driven by bigotry and faulty reasoning.

LOL. A total of NINE unarmed black men were shot by police last year. (And in some of those cases, the person attacked the police officer physically or with a car.) Less than the number for whites. How many more black people have been killed by this BLM spike compared to last year? Probably much greater than NINE. Well done, BLM.

 

[laughing dog]

An unoriginal projection.

Deny the crime spike if you choose, but the black bodies pile up all the same.

No one denied any crime spike. Just pointed out that your conclusion was driven by bigotry and faulty reasoning.

LOL. A total of NINE unarmed black men were shot by police last year. (And in some of those cases, the person attacked the police officer physically or with a car.) Less than the number for whites. How many more black people have been killed by this BLM spike compared to last year?

Repeating the logical fallacy of conflating correlation with causation does not make it any more valid.

BTW, wtf is a BLM spike and by what means does it kill people?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

LOL. A total of NINE unarmed black men were shot by police last year. (And in some of those cases, the person attacked the police officer physically or with a car.) Less than the number for whites. How many more black people have been killed by this BLM spike compared to last year?

Repeating the logical fallacy of conflating correlation with causation does not make it any more valid.

BTW, wtf is a BLM spike and by what means does it kill people?

That's not addressing his point. BLM is protesting a very rare event.

 

[laughing dog]

LOL. A total of NINE unarmed black men were shot by police last year. (And in some of those cases, the person attacked the police officer physically or with a car.) Less than the number for whites. How many more black people have been killed by this BLM spike compared to last year?

Repeating the logical fallacy of conflating correlation with causation does not make it any more valid.

BTW, wtf is a BLM spike and by what means does it kill people?

That's not addressing his point. BLM is protesting a very rare event.

Please pay attention - I addressed his question.

 

[Derec]

Repeating the logical fallacy of conflating correlation with causation does not make it any more valid.

Correlation does not prove causation of course, but it is evidence.

 

[Derec]

LOL. A total of NINE unarmed black men were shot by police last year. (And in some of those cases, the person attacked the police officer physically or with a car.) Less than the number for whites. How many more black people have been killed by this BLM spike compared to last year? Probably much greater than NINE. Well done, BLM.

And that exactly is the point ignored by the media. Of course, #BLM are not just protesting unjustified killings. They get outraged even when police shoot somebody who is armed and had just shot fellow gang members.

 

[Derec]

Just pointed out that your conclusion was driven by bigotry and faulty reasoning.

To you "bigotry" is anything you disagree with. Saying that #BLM rioting and agitating against police is probably a cause of the spike in violent crime is hardly "bigoted".

 

[Derec]

ON SATURDAY NIGHT, barricades blocked the street on one side of the charred ruins of the Wendy’s drive-thru where an Atlanta police officer killed Rayshard Brooks a week ago, on June 12. Cars cordoned off the other side. There, a Black man with an AR-15 was standing guard, stopping white people from entering the site.

I.e. an overtly racist militia. But I guess to the Left black racism against whites is not considered a problem. Only white racism against blacks, even when imaginary.

Police slowly rolled by the corner of Pryor Street and University Drive every five or 10 minutes, warily observing. The cops, many of whom have been calling in sick, are effectively on strike.

When your city government (led by KLB) and the leadership of your department turns on the police officers, that is to be expected.

“We are being killed, and nothing is being done about it. When a person is shooting at you, that’s a declaration of war,” the man with the rifle said. “We shouldn’t have to do this.” He would not give his name.

That is the kind of hyperbole that is foundational to #BLM. Yes, police sometimes shoot suspects. But they shoot suspects of all races. And in most cases, those shootings are justified.
A regular black person is much more at risk from a black civilian than from police, especially if they are not attacking police or refuse to drop a weapon. Unless you attack police or refuse to drop a weapon, a person's - yes even black person's - chances of getting shot by police are infinitesimal.

People are shooting at them — likely white counterprotesters, shooting from their cars. And they’re shooting back.

Actually there has been no evidence of any "white counterprotesters" there, much less shooting at these black racist militiamen.

If activists allow such militance to continue, it will likely drive the broader public into a call for police intervention and discredit the movement toward systemic reform.

Yupp.

The previous afternoon, protesters in tech-heavy midtown Atlanta had shut down a traffic intersection when a white guy with a “Back the Blue” license plate took issue. After retrieving an AR-15 from his trunk, Alexander Fawaz barreled through a protester blocking his way. A video shows demonstrators drawing their guns and shooting at him as he drives away. Police said that Fawaz told them he feared for his life. Police did not even cite the driver. One protester was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

Must be that Arab privilege.

People aren’t talking to the police.

This "no snitching" culture is reason why violent crime often goes unpunished in black neighborhoods. But I guess you'll blame police for that too.

The man with the rifle guarding the barricade said he had seen that latest shooting, just hours before. He’s a network engineer who claimed no law enforcement or military experience. The victim had been a regular at the protest, and the shooter was a white man driving a silver Dodge SRT Challenger, he said.

In the intetest of full disclosure and being balanced, I watched the video of the young lady mentioned above getting shot in the leg. Some few members of ppl roaming streets were armed. It's chaotic and anarchy. Libertarians and Tea Partiers should support this militia and small government.

Libertarianism != anarchy.