Police shooting in Atlanta aka "Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-through"

[Trausti]

Meanwhile, an 8 year old girl was killed by armed thugs (probably the same people who were blockading University Ave. days ago).
Police: 8-year-old girl shot, killed in Atlanta

The girl was riding in a car with her mother and an adult friend on I-75/85 when they exited onto University Avenue, Chafee said.The driver tried to turn into a parking lot in the 1200 block of Pryor Road but was confronted by a “group of armed individuals who had blocked the entrance,” Chafee said. “At some point, someone in that group opened fire on the vehicle, striking it multiple times and striking the child who was inside,” he said.The driver took the child to Atlanta Medical Center, Chafee said. The child did not survive her injuries, he said. Homicide investigators are working to learn more. An investigation is ongoing. The scene of the shooting is less than a mile from the University Avenue Wendy’s restaurant where Rayshard Brooks was killed by an Atlanta police officer last month.

Ah, BLM has nothing do with with black lives.

 

[zorq]

Ah, BLM has nothing do with with black lives.

Are any of us surprised that Derec and Trausti are both eager to jump to conclusions? Conclusions a stereotypical racist might also jump to?

 

[Trausti]

Ah, BLM has nothing do with with black lives.

Are any of us surprised that Derec and Trausti are both eager to jump to conclusions? Conclusions a stereotypical racist might also jump to?

But for BLM, the girl would still be alive. Along with thousands of other blacks who seemingly get killed after BLM mobilizes.

 

[Derec]

Are any of us surprised that Derec and Trausti are both eager to jump to conclusions? Conclusions a stereotypical racist might also jump to?

What supposedly "racist" conclusions are we jumping to exactly?

An update on the case:
Police ID 8-year-old shot, killed; $10,000 reward offered in case

After an 8-year-old girl was fatally shot near the Wendy’s restaurant where Rayshard Brooks was killed by a police officer, Atlanta’s mayor gave a harsh rebuke of the armed protesters that have taken the place over. “You shot and killed a baby,” Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said. “And there wasn’t just one shooter, there were at least two shooters.” In an evening news conference, Bottoms demanded that the people who have been seen carrying long guns near the University Avenue restaurant leave the area.

I guess our mayor is jumping to the same conclusions, linking the shooting with the armed "protesters" who have on and off taken over that area.

“Following the death of Rayshard Brooks, there have been a number of protests in the area, and there has been a problems with protesters closing the streets off,” Bottoms said. Atlanta police last week said they had removed the barriers from the street outside the restaurant. “Last night, I received a notice the barriers were back up about 45 minutes before I got the message that Secoriea was killed,” Bottoms said.

KLB has been very weak on this issue. These racist armed thugs should have been dealt with as soon as they blockaded the road.

"An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street," Bottoms said. "If Secoriea was not safe last night, none of us are safe."To the armed people at the restaurant, the mayor said: “It's over.”

It should have been over a long while ago. Then this tragedy could have been avoided.

 

[zorq]

Ah, BLM has nothing do with with black lives.

Are any of us surprised that Derec and Trausti are both eager to jump to conclusions? Conclusions a stereotypical racist might also jump to?

But for BLM, the girl would still be alive. Along with thousands of other blacks who seemingly get killed after BLM mobilizes.

It sounds like you know ALL ABOUT these shooters. There is a $10,000 reward for information. I suggest you go ahead and cash in on your hot info right now or come to a realization that you DON'T know who the shooters were and you are talking out of your ass.

 

[Derec]

It sounds like you know ALL ABOUT these shooters. There is a $10,000 reward for information. I suggest you go ahead and cash in on your hot info right now or come to a realization that you DON'T know who the shooters were and you are talking out of your ass.

I know what I have relayed here from the news. I do not know the identity of the shooters, but it is pretty certain that they are part of the armed racist mob that took over the Wendy's lot and University Ave.

 

[zorq]

What supposedly "racist" conclusions are we jumping to exactly?

Oh, playing dumb now too?... I'm sure you'll figure it out in a little bit.

An update on the case:
Police ID 8-year-old shot, killed; $10,000 reward offered in case


I guess our mayor is jumping to the same conclusions, linking the shooting with the armed "protesters" who have on and off taken over that area.

“Following the death of Rayshard Brooks, there have been a number of protests in the area, and there has been a problems with protesters closing the streets off,” Bottoms said. Atlanta police last week said they had removed the barriers from the street outside the restaurant. “Last night, I received a notice the barriers were back up about 45 minutes before I got the message that Secoriea was killed,” Bottoms said.

No direct quote of her connecting the two? Just some newspaper maybe paraphrasing, or maybe jumping to conclusions? I'm not convinced. Find the quote.

KLB has been very weak on this issue. These racist armed thugs should have been dealt with as soon as they blockaded the road.

"An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street," Bottoms said. "If Secoriea was not safe last night, none of us are safe."To the armed people at the restaurant, the mayor said: “It's over.”

It should have been over a long while ago. Then this tragedy could have been avoided.

Yeah, I agree. It could have been over in the 1650's if some British colonial judges hadn't given cover to race based slavery in N. America. Or in the 1780's when the first US constitution was crafted in a devil's compromise to give cover to race based slavery. Or in the 1860's when the slaves were finally emancipated, but not from continued institutional oppression. It SHOULD have ended long ago.

 

[Derec]

No direct quote of her connecting the two? Just some newspaper maybe paraphrasing, or maybe jumping to conclusions? I'm not convinced. Find the quote.

The part about the "protesters" is a direct quote.
And I still do not understand what is supposed to be "racist" about thinking that the group responsible for blockading a street for days is the same group responsible for the shooting in that same neighborhood. Especially when that group was reportedly also blocking the street. Occam's Razor says it's the same group.

Yeah, I agree. It could have been over in the 1650's if some British colonial judges hadn't given cover to race based slavery in N. America. Or in the 1780's when the first US constitution was crafted in a devil's compromise to give cover to race based slavery. Or in the 1860's when the slaves were finally emancipated, but not from continued institutional oppression. It SHOULD have ended long ago.

What are you babbling about? I was specifically talking about what KLB also mentioned - the armed takeover of University Ave. by racist extremists. That is in no way justified no matter what may have happened in 1650 or 1780. The point is that KLB could have nipped it in the bud, but instead she allowed it to continue and fester. Just like Mayor Jenny of Seattle who was weak and did not take down CHAZ right away. She also did not take any action against the I5 takeover that had been going on for weeks. She only sprang into action when two women were hit by a Jag, one of them fatally.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Occam's Razor? Wow, you are misapplying that by so much, it's like saying you are a protestor, too, because you live in Atlanta.

 

[Derec]

That's a bullshit statement even for you Don2.
A group of armed racist extremists setting up barriers on University Ave for days.
Now we have a case of a girl being killed while the car she was in was trying to avoid a barricade in that same area. It is perfectly fine application of Occam's Razor to assume we are dealing with the same group here.

And zorq has yet to explain why such an assumption is "racist" ...

 

[zorq]

And zorq has yet to explain why such an assumption is "racist" ...

A stereotypical racist, despite having no apparent motive, context or evidence of any sort might assume that any given murder was committed by the race of people they look down on. Do you even understand what the word racist means?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That's a bullshit statement even for you Don2.
A group of armed racist extremists setting up barriers on University Ave for days.
Now we have a case of a girl being killed while the car she was in was trying to avoid a barricade in that same area. It is perfectly fine application of Occam's Razor to assume we are dealing with the same group here.

Wow, you and Trausti just love to blame BLM for everything. That is a dumb thing to write, even for you and Trausti. Since PEOPLE PROTESTING are being shot, you might as well blame police. Because. Occam's Razor.

 

[laughing dog]

He also assaulted and battered police officers and robbed them of a taser. Not to mention that you do not have the right to flee an arrest.

None of that makes it right to shoot someone in the back while they fleeing.

There is no reason to think he would not be. Remember, it was he who initiated violence.

No, putting on handcuffs against the suspect's will is initiating violence. It is just violence you approve of.

He is only facing criminal charges because of rotten Atlanta politics. Paul Howard is facing his own investigation and is in a tough primary - he finished second in June, but there is still a runoff. So he is giving red meat to his base.

You confuse your bigoted conclusions with fact. It is truly revealing that you cannot admit the possibility that Mr. Rolfe acted improperly.

 

[atrib]

The implication is as clear as it is wrong. Rolfe should not have offered Brooks a ride home as drunk driving is a dangerous crime. Brooks could have killed somebody, especially if he had passed out before he reached the Wendy's.

Its possible that Mr Brooks may have killed somebody if he had tried to drive home drunk. It is hypothetically possible. But here's what we do know for certain: a police officer shot Mr Brooks in the back as he was trying to run away and succeeded in killing him. Yes, in the back as he was trying to run away. Why aren't you outraged about that?

 

[Derec]

Its possible that Mr Brooks may have killed somebody if he had tried to drive home drunk. It is hypothetically possible. But here's what we do know for certain: a police officer shot Mr Brooks in the back as he was trying to run away and succeeded in killing him. Yes, in the back as he was trying to run away. Why aren't you outraged about that?

Because Brooks attacked two police officers and stole their taser. He then proceeded to shoot said taser at Rolfe right before he was shot. He wasn't merely fleeing - he was actively and with violence trying t prevent the police officers from pursuing him.

 

[Derec]

None of that makes it right to shoot someone in the back while they fleeing.

That is a separate issue from the question of whether the cops should have let Brooks go instead of arresting him for DUI.

No, putting on handcuffs against the suspect's will is initiating violence. It is just violence you approve of.

Now, you are really splitting hairs! Brooks initiated illegitimate violence then, if you prefer it. The police officers had a legitimate right to arrest Brooks. He did not have a right to resist arrest, assault police officers, steal the taser, and assault the officer again with the taser.

By the way, do you approve of police officers arresting criminal suspects? Your choice of words implies that you don't.

You confuse your bigoted conclusions with fact.

It is not bigoted. Howard's legal and electoral troubles are very well documented as is his contradictory classification of tasers as lethal weapons one day and as non-lethal the next.

It is truly revealing that you cannot admit the possibility that Mr. Rolfe acted improperly.

Of course I admit the possibility that Rolfe acted improperly. It's just that given the facts that we know, the shooting itself was legit, since Brooks was a threat.
If he really kicked him afterwards, that would be improper, but that hasn't been proven, and besides, that's not murder.

 

[Derec]

Wow, you and Trausti just love to blame BLM for everything. That is a dumb thing to write, even for you and Trausti. Since PEOPLE PROTESTING are being shot, you might as well blame police. Because. Occam's Razor.

The #BLM protesters at the Wendy's weren't shot, they were the ones who shot up the car with the 8 year old as the car tried to drive around the barricades.

 

[Derec]

A stereotypical racist, despite having no apparent motive, context or evidence of any sort might assume that any given murder was committed by the race of people they look down on.

A racist might. I do not, since I am not racist. There is plenty of evidence that the group of protesters who shot up the car are the same #BLM protesters who were occupying that area on and off since Rayshawn Brooks died.

Do you even understand what the word racist means?

I do. I am not sure you do.

For example, an armed group of militants is racist if they let members of one race (in this case black) pass freely while preventing members from another race (in this case white) from passing through. The #BL protesters at Wendy's were doing that earlier.

 

[laughing dog]

That is a separate issue from the question of whether the cops should have let Brooks go instead of arresting him for DUI.

It is a consequence of the choice the police made.

Now, you are really splitting hairs! Brooks initiated illegitimate violence then, if you prefer it. The police officers had a legitimate right to arrest Brooks. He did not have a right to resist arrest, assault police officers, steal the taser, and assault the officer again with the taser.

My point was to highlight your police bias. Your response reflects it, since Mr. Rolfe did not have the right to use lethal force when his life was not danger.

By the way, do you approve of police officers arresting criminal suspects? Your choice of words implies that you don't.

You confuse inference with implication. Whether or not criminal suspects ought to be arrested depends on the situation, the crime, and many other factors.

It is not bigoted. Howard's legal and electoral troubles are very well documented as is his contradictory classification of tasers as lethal weapons one day and as non-lethal the next.

Again, you conflate your opinions with fact.

Of course I admit the possibility that Rolfe acted improperly. It's just that given the facts that we know, the shooting itself was legit, since Brooks was a threat.

Once again, you conflate your bigoted opinion with fact. Mr. Brooks was fleeing, so he was no lethal threat to anyone. Hence the use of lethal force was inappropriate. At least Mr Rolfe's employer can see that, as well as the DA.

If he really kicked him afterwards, that would be improper, but that hasn't been proven, and besides, that's not murder.

It is small potatoes compared to shooting a fleeing suspect in the back.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Wow, you and Trausti just love to blame BLM for everything. That is a dumb thing to write, even for you and Trausti. Since PEOPLE PROTESTING are being shot, you might as well blame police. Because. Occam's Razor.

The #BLM protesters at the Wendy's weren't shot, they were the ones who shot up the car with the 8 year old as the car tried to drive around the barricades.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE SHOT are protestors.

You are making all kinds of assumptions.

Appealing to Occam's Razor in order to support your ideology doesn't make sense.