Police shooting in Atlanta aka "Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-through"

[Derec]

When BLM protesters are being shot, it doesn't mean that the shooters are BLM OR that BLM was at fault.

The 8 year old girl wasn't a #BLM protesters. She and her parents merely wanted to drive through the area and were shot by armed militia types at the barricades.

 

[Derec]

I am not getting why you think BLM protesters are conclusively and only BLM protesters (no one else) are shooting BLM protesters. I mean, we know of some examples of non-BLM protesters shooting at BLM protesters like police, right-wingers, conservolibertarians...so does Occam's Razor really tell you it's BLM protesters doing it like what Derec claimed and I argued against as a proof by O.R.? Can you show the steps of this reasoned argument using O.R. and the examples of police and other unknown entities shooting up protesters in such reasoned argument?

The girl and her parents were not #BLM protesters. So I have no idea why you keep harping about #BLM protesters getting shot.
The girl was shot and killed by armed militia types manning barricades at University and Pryor Streets. That same area had been blockaded on and off by #BLM types ever since Rayshard Brooks was killed. So yes, Occam's razor applies.

 

[repoman]

Stop Snitching. Every ethnic group can and at times has been like this, but right now it is bad for them.

For a lot of the white middle class buyers of this music, is this just a vicarious thrill of seeing something done that they don't have the nerve to do or be? Sort of like strong, degrading porn sex that they would not risk attempting with their girlfriends?

But these blacks seem to take this as an instruction manual. Like some white goth kids would take depressing music of The Cure as a lifestyle bible and identity.

 

[Derec]

Words have meaning.

You don't say. Then maybe you should learn them.

There is a big difference between "it is likely that the shooters were #BLM since armed BLM protesters are in the general area" and "It was #BLM protesters".

Not general area, but that immediate area.

The girl was killed at the Chevron. You can see how close it is to the destroyed Wendy's.

And the likelihood is so great, I think it is defensible to use a more declarative statement even if there is some infinitesimal chance that it might be unrelated armed thugs blockading the road when for weeks it's been armed #BLM thugs blockading these same roads.

Given that in other protests, there have been violence attributed to BLM protesters that was not actually perpetrated by BLM protesters, it is a bit of leap to definitely assert it WAS ______ (pick the group) without more evidence.

In this case, there is very little doubt. I live in Atlanta. I know this area. I knew it back when Carver Homes still stood.
Do you?

 

[Derec]

Yeah. Guess what? There have also been ARMED police officers patroling in the area.

Not that much actually due to KLB's unwillingness to really push against the armed mob. But in any case, police are entitled to patrol the area while armed. It is their job. An armed mob is not entitled to blockade public thoroughfares.

The same area where a police officer recently fatally shot a civilian in the back.

You mean the drunk driver who violently attacked them and stole their taser?

Should I use that info to conclude that the police killed this girl too? Or would that be jumping to conclusions?

It would be a ridiculous bit of insane troll logic. Read the facts. We have a girl who was shot by armed people manning barricades in the area where #BLMers were barricading the streets. That's the evidence that points to these "protesters" and certainly doesn't point toward police.

 

[Derec]

Actually there is no indication that the shooters were BLM protesters except that there have been BLM protesters in that area recently. That's exactly the conclusion a racist would jump to. We don't know who the shooters are. The identity and motives of these suspects is completely unknown to the public right now. If you know who the shooters are you should go collect your $10,000 and help solve this mystery.

#BLMers have been the only ones who were blockading streets there. How is assuming they did it "racist"? Do you think it was white people who set up barricades or what?

 

[Derec]

Another murder at that same Chevron:

Man fatally shot at Atlanta gas station was helping driver with their car

Investigators said 53-year-old Christopher Brooks was aiding a driver when he was killed in a triple shooting at the Chevron on Pryor Road, police spokesman Officer Steve Avery told AJC.com.
[...]
Brooks was pronounced dead at the scene. The second victim, who was grazed by a bullet, was taken to a hospital and a third victim later arrived at Grady Memorial Hospital in a private car, according to police.

And about 5 miles away:
3 people, including 9-year-old boy, shot in East Atlanta

A 9-year-old is among three people who were shot in East Atlanta on Wednesday night, police said.
The shooting took place on Flat Shoals Avenue near its intersection with Glenwood Avenue, according to Atlanta police. Officers responded to the scene a little after 9:30 p.m., and they initially found one gunshot victim.
[...]
Investigators believe that an argument between a large group of people escalated to gunfire. No other information on the incident has been released. No suspects are in custody.

Luckily, no fatalities this time.

You're doing a heck of a job, KLB!

 

[Derec]

Looks like a white supremacist to me.

 

[laughing dog]

You don't say. Then maybe you should learn them.

Not general area, but that immediate area.
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The girl was killed at the Chevron. You can see how close it is to the destroyed Wendy's.

And the likelihood is so great, I think it is defensible to use a more declarative statement even if there is some infinitesimal chance that it might be unrelated armed thugs blockading the road when for weeks it's been armed #BLM thugs blockading these same roads.

Given that in other protests, there have been violence attributed to BLM protesters that was not actually perpetrated by BLM protesters, it is a bit of leap to definitely assert it WAS ______ (pick the group) without more evidence.

In this case, there is very little doubt. I live in Atlanta. I know this area. I knew it back when Carver Homes still stood.
Do you?

I am sure you have no doubt in your mind. Which is just another piece of evidence of bigotry. Instead of observing "it is likely that ___" or (it appears that ___", you made a definitive conclusion that even the police have not issued at this point.

As to the irony of you pulling "the I know the area" card when you routinely pontificate about other cities and regions of which you know nothing, I will leave to the general audience.

 

[Derec]

I am sure you have no doubt in your mind. Which is just another piece of evidence of bigotry. Instead of observing "it is likely that ___" or (it appears that ___", you made a definitive conclusion that even the police have not issued at this point.

Again, it's an informal discussion and the chances are overwhelming that the armed thugs who blockaded the streets in that area are the same armed thugs who have been blockading those same streets for many days.

As to the irony of you pulling "the I know the area" card when you routinely pontificate about other cities and regions of which you know nothing, I will leave to the general audience.

I always welcome local knowledge.

By the way, they apparently caught one of the guys responsible. Although he does not seem to be the trigger man, armed blockade of a public street is a felony and thus it's legit felony murder.
Suspect in Secoriea Turner’s death to remain in jail

A 19-year-old accused of felony murder and aggravated assault in the shooting death of 8-year-old Secoriea Turner will remain in jail, a Fulton County Magistrate Court judge said Thursday.
[...]
Conley and his attorney have both maintained the teen’s innocence in the shooting. On Monday, Conley admitted he was at the scene, but denied firing a weapon.

As I said, that does not matter for the felony murder charge. If you are party to a felonious assault (blocking somebody's way with armed force counts as aggravated assault I believe) and somebody dies as a result, you are in a world of shit even if you did not pull the trigger.
Another article with some more details:
Atlanta police arrest suspect in shooting death of 8-year-old girl near site of Rayshard Brooks protests

Conley’s attorney, Jackie Patterson, told Fox News his client was peacefully protesting and witnessed the shooting but was not involved. He admitted Conley was armed but did not open fire. Conley said the SUV drove through a barricade and hit a man armed with a rifle, which prompted the shooting, Patterson said.
“When that person started shooting, somebody thought that a person inside the car was shooting back so that’s when three other individuals fired upon the car,” he said.

 

[laughing dog]

Again, it's an informal discussion and the chances are overwhelming that the armed thugs who blockaded the streets in that area are the same armed thugs who have been blockading those same streets for many days.

"Informal discussion" does not defend jumping to bigoted conclusions.

I always welcome local knowledge.

Not when you opine about situations in Minneapolis or St Paul Mn. Or for that matter, anywhere else that is not Atlanta.

By the way, they apparently caught one of the guys responsible. Although he does not seem to be the trigger man, armed blockade of a public street is a felony and thus it's legit felony murder.

That remains to be seen.

 

[Derec]

"Informal discussion" does not defend jumping to bigoted conclusions.

Idiotic repetition does will not make your baseless charges of "bigotry" appear any more coherent.

Not when you opine about situations in Minneapolis or St Paul Mn. Or for that matter, anywhere else that is not Atlanta.

You are babbling. Welcoming local knowledge does not mean I have to agree with them on questions such as for example, whether it is legitimate to blockade an interstate to make a political point.

That remains to be seen.

He admitted that he was part of the armed blockade of a public street.

 

[laughing dog]

Idiotic repetition ...

You are a master of irony.

You are babbling. Welcoming local knowledge does not mean I have to agree with them on questions such as for example, whether it is legitimate to blockade an interstate to make a political point.

No, you deny local knowledge when contradicts your ideological ravings.

He admitted that he was part of the armed blockade of a public street.

Try to focus. Whether he was part of blockade does not mean he fired his weapon.

BTW, how come you are not bringing up the possibility that this is "politically" driven? After all, someone has to be charged with the killing of a child. Hmmm.

 

[Jayjay]

He admitted that he was part of the armed blockade of a public street.

Try to focus. Whether he was part of blockade does not mean he fired his weapon.

"Felony murder" does not require that he fired his weapon. It only requires that he committed a felony, which lead to a person getting killed.

 

[laughing dog]

He admitted that he was part of the armed blockade of a public street.

Try to focus. Whether he was part of blockade does not mean he fired his weapon.

"Felony murder" does not require that he fired his weapon. It only requires that he committed a felony, which lead to a person getting killed.

I realize this is difficult, but if there was a "blockade", and if he admitted he was part of the blockade and if he does not have a 2nd amendment right to parade with an armed weapon, and if he was not defending himself (as he appears to claim), then he might be in real trouble - which is why I said "that remains to be seen".

 

[Derec]

I realize this is difficult, but if there was a "blockade", and if he admitted he was part of the blockade and if he does not have a 2nd amendment right to parade with an armed weapon, and if he was not defending himself (as he appears to claim), then he might be in real trouble - which is why I said "that remains to be seen".

Finally you are starting to understand.

By the way, Julian Conley had other brushes with the law, including allegedly throwing a firework at another car on 285.

Teen charged in murder of Secoriea Turner was out on bond for unrelated crime

According to the police report, Conley threw fireworks under a woman's car while she was driving on Interstate 285 back in March. A concerned motorist witnessed it, called the police and followed the Dodge Journey until police found the car. Conley was a passenger in the front seat. The victim told police it was Conley who leaned out of the car and threw the device under her car.

Nice guy!

 

[Derec]

By the way, the officer who shot has been fired. He should sue, as the firing is purely political.

Well, they both are suing now.
Officers charged in Rayshard Brooks’ killing file federal lawsuits

Two days before the second anniversary of Rayshard Brooks’ death, the two Atlanta police officers charged in the 27-year-old’s shooting filed federal lawsuits alleging they were falsely arrested and their constitutional rights were violated.
Attorney Lance LoRusso filed the lawsuits late Friday on behalf of Garrett Rolfe and Devin Brosnan, the officers who attempted to arrest Brooks in the parking lot of an Atlanta Wendy’s. Named as defendants are the city of Atlanta, Fulton County, former Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms and former DA Paul Howard, who brought criminal charges against both men days after the shooting.
[...]
Brooks, who had been asleep at the wheel in a drive-thru line, punched Brosnan hard enough to cause a concussion and took his stun gun when the officers tried to arrest him on a DUI charge. He was fatally shot by Rolfe after aiming the device while running through the parking lot, surveillance video showed.

It is crazy that a perp giving a cop concussion is not considered enough for the cop to be allowed to defend himself and his fellow officer.
The criminal charges against the officers should be dropped and I hope they prevail in their lawsuit.
And I also hope Grand Rapids pays attention too, as that is another political prosecution of an officer who did nothing wrong.

 

[prideandfall]

It is crazy that a perp giving a cop concussion is not considered enough for the cop to be allowed to defend himself and his fellow officer.
The criminal charges against the officers should be dropped and I hope they prevail in their lawsuit.
And I also hope Grand Rapids pays attention too, as that is another political prosecution of an officer who did nothing wrong.

to be clear, that means that ideologically you support the notion that the capitol hill police should have opened fire on the january 6th mob, right?

 

[Derec]

to be clear, that means that ideologically you support the notion that the capitol hill police should have opened fire on the january 6th mob, right?

Only if there was an actual danger to an officer's safety.
It's funny you guys see January 6th rioters as the worst thing ever, while you see 2020 rioters who actually committed acts of wanton destruction and killed dozens as "peaceful protesters".

Also, stop derailing. This thread is about Rayshard Brooks and political persecution of officers who shot him in self defense. There are already way too many threads on January 6th. The Left doesn't want to talk about anything else it seems. It is getting tiresome.

 

[prideandfall]

to be clear, that means that ideologically you support the notion that the capitol hill police should have opened fire on the january 6th mob, right?

Only if there was an actual danger to an officer's safety.

guessing you were busy watching tucker carlson last night?

several officers were injured, gassed, pepper sprayed, attacked directly... had their shields and batons ripped out of their hands and used against them, and at least one or two died.

so, you agree that they should have opened fire on the mob?

It's funny you guys see January 6th rioters as the worst thing ever, while you see 2020 rioters who actually committed acts of wanton destruction and killed dozens as "peaceful protesters".

firstly i'm not one of "you guys" - i'm not the run of the mill minging pussy leftist like most of the posters here. get that notion out of your head.

riots exist as a reminder to those in power that they're only in power because we let them be - that means politicians, the wealthy, business owners, companies, the police, etc etc, should have a moment of fear and of pause to recognize that their way of life can be taken away in a moment if the masses get sick of their shit.

"peaceful protests" are fine for like... i dunno, disagreeing a municipal parking law... but something like "stop murdering us" absolutely should be a violent riot. it should be a much much more violent riot than we've seen.
the appropriate response would be to set entire cities are fire.

Also, stop derailing. This thread is about Rayshard Brooks and political persecution of officers who shot him in self defense. There are already way too many threads on January 6th. The Left doesn't want to talk about anything else it seems. It is getting tiresome.

..... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

oh i'm sorry are you getting sick and tired of other people mentioning a given subject over and over in every thread?
MY GOD that must be so weird and frustrating for you! i can't believe you of all people should have to experience something like that!

.... holy fuck that is some god damn hilarity.