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Post-poll Brexit poll

Will Britain actually leave the EU

  • Yes, they're gone

    Votes: 18 54.5%

  • No, they'll stay

    Votes: 8 24.2%

  • It depends (explain)

    Votes: 3 9.1%

  • Magical scones

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Total voters
    33
angelo said:
It seems Brexit may have had another positive. The downfall of the socialist Corbyn.
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No - the elimination of the scumbag tories who stole our Party, who will now be dumped.
 
angelo said:
It seems Brexit may have had another positive. The downfall of the socialist Corbyn.
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If he is unpopular with the electorate (though not unlikable by any means) then keep him as leader so the other parties may get more votes. At the moment I think the Tories are in a bit of a mucking fuddle until they elect a new leader.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Maybe the Tories will try to weasel a way out of leaving. Such an action could backfire. However the process takes at least 2 or so years.
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It takes no more than 2 years once you formally state your intention to leave.

The "leaders" of the Leave party are now hemming and hawing about even getting started.

The rest of the EU isn't going to put up with that for very long. There's nothing they can do to force the UK to invoke Article 50, but they can certainly make things a lot more uncomfortable for the UK while it remains.
 
jonatha said:
whichphilosophy said:
Maybe the Tories will try to weasel a way out of leaving. Such an action could backfire. However the process takes at least 2 or so years.
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It takes no more than 2 years once you formally state your intention to leave.

The "leaders" of the Leave party are now hemming and hawing about even getting started.

The rest of the EU isn't going to put up with that for very long. There's nothing they can do to force the UK to invoke Article 50, but they can certainly make things a lot more uncomfortable for the UK while it remains.
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Cameron said the formal resignation will be submitted on September 9th. That's good, because at least it sets a clear schedule and thus reduces the uncertainties in the matter. However, as to the 2 year limit, I think whichphilosophy is correct that if by that time there are outstanding issues that both parties want to resolve, there will be extensions as necessary. All it means is that EU cannot unilaterally pull the plug before that.
 
jonatha said:
whichphilosophy said:
Maybe the Tories will try to weasel a way out of leaving. Such an action could backfire. However the process takes at least 2 or so years.
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It takes no more than 2 years once you formally state your intention to leave.

The "leaders" of the Leave party are now hemming and hawing about even getting started.

The rest of the EU isn't going to put up with that for very long. There's nothing they can do to force the UK to invoke Article 50, but they can certainly make things a lot more uncomfortable for the UK while it remains.
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Of course like any other modern nations they can be adult about the way this is done. This should be done quickly. The Tory leaders however couldn't move faster even if they caught fire.
 
jonatha said:
whichphilosophy said:
Maybe the Tories will try to weasel a way out of leaving. Such an action could backfire. However the process takes at least 2 or so years.
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It takes no more than 2 years once you formally state your intention to leave.

The "leaders" of the Leave party are now hemming and hawing about even getting started.

The rest of the EU isn't going to put up with that for very long. There's nothing they can do to force the UK to invoke Article 50, but they can certainly make things a lot more uncomfortable for the UK while it remains.
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The Tory government wanted to remain (and about 57% of its voters), and is in power. Labour also had divisions in its vote. Nonetheless the electorate are waiting for them to act. I would agree that the Eu shouldn't let this delay too long. If this is delayed and there is friction; then all the more for the UKIP who are not in government to capitalize upon. Westerners like to move from A to B as quickly as possible without time wasting.

Unless some voters were joking 7 per cent of UKIP voters according to a YouGov poll voted to stay in the EU

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...er-cent-remain-vote-yougov-poll-a7100186.html
 
whichphilosophy said:
jonatha said:
It takes no more than 2 years once you formally state your intention to leave.

The "leaders" of the Leave party are now hemming and hawing about even getting started.

The rest of the EU isn't going to put up with that for very long. There's nothing they can do to force the UK to invoke Article 50, but they can certainly make things a lot more uncomfortable for the UK while it remains.
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Of course like any other modern nations they can be adult about the way this is done. This should be done quickly. The Tory leaders however couldn't move faster even if they caught fire.
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And, as any divorce lawyer will tell you, everybody always acts adult and rational when splitting up.

The EU has no interest in letting Britain retain the benefits they get from being in the EU while allowing it to get away from the obligations, so Britain isn't going to get some kind of good deal which will put them in a better position than they are in now in terms of trade or anything.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
whichphilosophy said:
Of course like any other modern nations they can be adult about the way this is done. This should be done quickly. The Tory leaders however couldn't move faster even if they caught fire.
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And, as any divorce lawyer will tell you, everybody always acts adult and rational when splitting up.

The EU has no interest in letting Britain retain the benefits they get from being in the EU while allowing it to get away from the obligations, so Britain isn't going to get some kind of good deal which will put them in a better position than they are in now in terms of trade or anything.
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It's not even about acting irrational or not being an adult.

Let's say you work at a company. One day you tell everybody around the water cooler that you're leaving the company. You haven't officially handed in your letter of resignation yet, but everybody is aware that you could just get up and leave after a two week's notice. Well, how would you expect your bosses and coworkers to react? Are they going to give you any new projects or let you into more meetings? Are your bosses going to care about what you think? Hell, no.

Oh yeah, you also want to negotiate coming back and using the office printer and bumming around in the lunchroom to watch the game on the big screen TV the company provides for its employees as if you haven't just left. Be serious.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
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And, as any divorce lawyer will tell you, everybody always acts adult and rational when splitting up.

The EU has no interest in letting Britain retain the benefits they get from being in the EU while allowing it to get away from the obligations, so Britain isn't going to get some kind of good deal which will put them in a better position than they are in now in terms of trade or anything.
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Especially with Nigel Farage's tidings of good will.
 
nightwyrm said:
Tom Sawyer said:
And, as any divorce lawyer will tell you, everybody always acts adult and rational when splitting up.

The EU has no interest in letting Britain retain the benefits they get from being in the EU while allowing it to get away from the obligations, so Britain isn't going to get some kind of good deal which will put them in a better position than they are in now in terms of trade or anything.
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It's not even about acting irrational or not being an adult.

Let's say you work at a company. One day you tell everybody around the water cooler that you're leaving the company. You haven't officially handed in your letter of resignation yet, but everybody is aware that you could just get up and leave after a two week's notice. Well, how would you expect your bosses and coworkers to react? Are they going to give you any new projects or let you into more meetings? Are your bosses going to care about what you think? Hell, no.

Oh yeah, you also want to negotiate coming back and using the office printer and bumming around in the lunchroom to watch the game on the big screen TV the company provides for its employees as if you haven't just left. Be serious.
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Leaving a continent is a bit more longer than leaving a job. Since the UK is going freelance it doesn't have to pay the boss just to be there. That is to say payment to the boss was £55 million per day. After such a kind discount it is actually £35 million. Then after a generous payment to cover domestic needs (farming subsidies) the employee only has to lose about £21 million dollars per day.

By being unemployed he saves £21 million per day. Now Australia and New Zealand are already in discussion with the UK. There are other places also where the employee can bum around and with the extra money can even afford to buy a printer.

Also he gets to make his own decisions, not be told by his boss after secret meetings. Also he can now think of getting rid of some of the vagrants that are squatting in his house due to Merkel's rather foolish invitation.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
whichphilosophy said:
Of course like any other modern nations they can be adult about the way this is done. This should be done quickly. The Tory leaders however couldn't move faster even if they caught fire.
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And, as any divorce lawyer will tell you, everybody always acts adult and rational when splitting up.

The EU has no interest in letting Britain retain the benefits they get from being in the EU while allowing it to get away from the obligations, so Britain isn't going to get some kind of good deal which will put them in a better position than they are in now in terms of trade or anything.
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It doesn't just have to deal with the EU. Britain purchases more from the Eu than the Eu purchases from it. Further there are plenty of other markets it can expand into and expand its exports and satisfy its import needs. Nonetheless Europe could still be a valuable market once the euro-tantrums die down.

Britain and the European countries have a lot in common were dealings end up amicable but without the afflictions of europhilia.
It can purchase top grade electronics from Israel, as well as Asia, cheaper dairy products from New Zealand and Australia as there will be no Eu tarrifs. It can even purchase more from Russia. It has several industries which it is slowly developing and we don't have to send troops in future to the Russian border as part of a Quixotian European army to tilt at windmills.
 
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