At least he wasn't shot or killed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/nyregion/glen-grays-the-mailman-cuffed-in-brooklyn.html?_r=0
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Dicks - and not because they were detectives.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Police always yell "stop resisting". They can then tell the judge "I wouldn't have said it if he wasn't resisting" and thus have greater immunity when beating unresisting suspects.
Godless Raven
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This is how I was trained when I did security at a casino many years ago (by an ex cop). He told us even after we took someone down, to crank their arm behind their back and keep cranking (the whole time saying "Stop resisting!" especially when a crowd was watching or it was being recorded). He told us we could justify near any amount of force, including breaking their arm if we did that and that witnesses would side with us.
If I hadn't had that experience, I honestly would have found it hard to believe.
Cheerful Charlie
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These morons cops claimed that because they were cops, they had right-of-way. Not unless you have your sirens and lights going full blast. The mail carrier was exiting his truck and had right of way because he was a pedestrian. In most jurisdictions, pedestrians always have right of way. These cops have no business carrying a badge of being employed as cops. They have no sense of good judgement, no sense of competency. They are a danger to all around them.
The fact they felt empowered to do this to a federal employee while he was in uniform and on duty shows how far above the law they believe they are. Unless they're punished beyond the typical desk duty or paid vacation, then they're correct about being above the law.
Yup. A good cop is a cop who blows the whistle on a bad cop.
Now we get to see if their superiors are "good cops" or not.
Playball40
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I still don't know what he did that was arrest worthy.
barbos
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He was black and he resisted.
Derec
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Do you have any evidence his skin color caused the behavior or are you just expressing your prejudices?
Godless Raven
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"You're going to get fucking hurt unless you stop resisting" as the guy already has his hands behind his back and is being cuffed. "I'm not resisting". The officer driving the vehicle allegedly looked back and started taunting him and then drove directly in to the vehicle in front of them, then took off.
But when you consider this happened:
"The day before the news conference, the Brooklyn district attorney, Ken Thompson, announced that his office would not seek a prison sentence for Peter Liang. The former police officer convicted of manslaughter in the death of Akai Gurley, two years ago in an unlit stairwell at an East New York housing project..." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/nyregion/glen-grays-the-mailman-cuffed-in-brooklyn.html?_r=1
So I guess, if you're willing to just forget his Civil Rights for a moment...he's lucky they didn't take him in a back alley and lynch him. Apparently NYC police all watched Training Day and thought it was an instructional video.
But when you consider this happened:
"The day before the news conference, the Brooklyn district attorney, Ken Thompson, announced that his office would not seek a prison sentence for Peter Liang. The former police officer convicted of manslaughter in the death of Akai Gurley, two years ago in an unlit stairwell at an East New York housing project..." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/nyregion/glen-grays-the-mailman-cuffed-in-brooklyn.html?_r=1
So I guess, if you're willing to just forget his Civil Rights for a moment...he's lucky they didn't take him in a back alley and lynch him. Apparently NYC police all watched Training Day and thought it was an instructional video.
Godless Raven
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1. Do you need another 10,000,000 examples of black people being discriminated against or out right murdered by the police before you recognize that sometimes when there's an obvious pattern, there's an obvious pattern?
2. Why do you think the 4 ghost cops blew their cover and surrounded a UPS guy and arrested him leaving his truck completely vulnerable to anybody? Do you have any reason on Earth to think he actually did something to warrant that? If "yes", what? If "no", wtf other reason can you possibly imagine aside from they were psycho cops with god complexes that treat all races like dog shit?
3. Considering you've repeatedly insinuated any female claiming they were raped or sexually assaulted probably was making it up because of Duke Lacrosse and other bizarre incidents, who the fuck are you to even talk about expressing prejudices?
Derec
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Liang made a mistake, no doubt. But both Liang and Gurley were incredibly unlucky here. Liang was not shooting at Gurley, the accidental shot ricocheted and fatally hit Gurley. I see no criminal intent in what Liang did and thus no jail time is certainly acceptable.
That is very different than your hypothetical scenario of taking somebody into a back alley and lynching him.
Derec
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I think that even if 10,000,000 blacks were discriminated against by police you'd still have to show that in this instance it had to do with his skin color.
And where do you get that number anyway? As far as "out right [sic] murdered", most of police shootings are either justified (Michael Brown) or a mistake (Akai Gurley). Cases like Walter Scott are few and far between.
I did not say he did anything to warrant that, just that there is no information I have seen that shows that their behavior was racially motivated.
I did not say that she was probably making it up, just that we should not automatically believe a rape accuser just because it is politically correct and demanded by feminists. Each and every rape claim needs to have evidence behind it, just like every claim of racism needs to have evidence behind it. "Cops are racist" is as invalid a generalization as "men are rapists".3. Considering you've repeatedly insinuated any female claiming they were raped or sexually assaulted probably was making it up because of Duke Lacrosse and other bizarre incidents, who the fuck are you to even talk about expressing prejudices?
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I hear about psychological testing for admission to the police academy. What are they testing for? They certainly don't seem to be excluding anyone for high RWA scores, and I'd think ruling out authoritarian personalities would be #1 on the exclusion list.
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I think that even if 10,000,000 blacks were discriminated against by police you'd still have to show that in this instance it had to do with his skin color.
And where do you get that number anyway? As far as "out right [sic] murdered", most of police shootings are either justified (Michael Brown) or a mistake (Akai Gurley). Cases like Walter Scott are few and far between.
I did not say he did anything to warrant that, just that there is no information I have seen that shows that their behavior was racially motivated.
I did not say that she was probably making it up, just that we should not automatically believe a rape accuser just because it is politically correct and demanded by feminists. Each and every rape claim needs to have evidence behind it, just like every claim of racism needs to have evidence behind it. "Cops are racist" is as invalid a generalization as "men are rapists".3. Considering you've repeatedly insinuated any female claiming they were raped or sexually assaulted probably was making it up because of Duke Lacrosse and other bizarre incidents, who the fuck are you to even talk about expressing prejudices?
1. Right...even if there were 10,000,000 or 10,000,000 more, you'd have to have evidence before you can say 100% for sure it was just his skin color. But there's such a thing as circumstantial evidence. Here we have 4 separate officers, all apparently with independent minds, all apparently arresting someone doing their job because...??? That 10,000,000 was an exact figure! "Really? Such a round number?" (Mitch Hedberg reference
) I pulled that number out of my ass to make a hyperbolic point. Where are you getting your information that most police shootings are either justified or a mistake? How could you possibly know that? I'm willing to not be as lazy as I am currently and pull out some figures and other cases if somehow that would make you take off your blinders...but we both know you're not going to do that even if I come up with 10mill of them. 2. What on Earth other than his race or that they are psychopaths can you imagine motivated them? Did the UPS man fuck all their moms up the ass and wipe their dicks on their curtains? What other rationale can you even imagine? The guy broke zero laws (apparently), tried to explain that to them, was surrounded and accosted and allegedly harassed in his vehicle. He was forced to leave behind a truck load of private mail/packages because...he was too tall? Too short? Walked funny? We all know the most likely reason, only one of us is denying it. But I'd like to know what you can imagine would be the reason. Because if there's nothing any of us can think of other than racism or profiling...it's not 100% for sure, but likelier than not, what it is.
3. No, you jump on every rape case presented on this board by using a case where someone lied and then insinuating that very well could be the case when there is always ZERO evidence that they are lying when you start doing that. Nobody is saying "Cops are racist" or "Men are rapists". When there's been an alleged rape and there's evidence there was a rape...nobody but you is saying the bitch may be lying. When there's literally no other explanation as to why a law abiding black citizen is shot to death or harassed an arrested like this case, you are the one to say "well there's no evidence for that"...but you rarely if ever have any other explanation other than "it's just probably not". And in these cases you're batting about .001 for accuracy.
I'm not saying you're blaming alleged victims or out right saying you know racism wasn't a factor...I'm saying, when convenient, you like to pretend the far most likely scenario just probably isn't it at all because of (some obscure cases).
ronburgundy
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An even more prevalent pattern is that many cops are authoritarian "Alpha" type aggressive pricks who take any level of non-submissiveness as a challenge to their authority triggering them to exercise that authority.
The cops did not pull up and arrest the guy when they saw him. They came back and confronted him when he (rightly) yelled at them, and likely gave them some back-talk when they gave them their "We can do whatever we want" excuse for almost killing him.
That would be enough for many cops to go after him, no matter his race.
In sum, while racism is a plausible factor, simply standard police authoritarian aggression is sufficient and even more plausible in the absence of more information.
Contempt of cop.
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i'm not sure if i'm about to say something racist... i don't think it is? i think it may be something of a cultural stereotype based on personal bias derived from experience, so i put that as a disclaimer before this reply.
in my personal (and limited) experience, black folks seem more prone to "give attitude" when balked or confronted, whether it be with the police or managers at work or a cashier at a store.
makes one wonder if there is perhaps some kind of inverse correlation at work here, where cops tend to insanely overreact to any perceived defiance of their absolute authority, and black people tend to be more "uppity" towards figures of authority, resulting in the same pattern of behavior but for a slightly different awful reason.
has me to pondering if outright racism is worse than totalitarian aggression.